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Well you hit all the buzzwords there, well done I guess.
Israel isn't analogous to an abusive husband.
I bring up an abusive husband as a counterexample. I believe the moral logic and principle of the post I was responding to is weak and does not hold up on its own. Instead, it is carried by unspoken judgments — that not everyone shares.
An abusive husband, on the other hand, is one example where we all share the same judgment. When we apply the same principle (and words, and phrases) to this example, it doesn't sound great. It sounds callous, at best.
Have you criticised the Israeli Governments consistent statements that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza?
And why will you not acknowledge the awful nature of your comments about why other countries won't take in more refugees? Could it be because those countries already host literally millions of refugees? Could it be because when refugees seem to leave this particular bit of land, it tends to be a one way exit?
Can you not see that this phrasing is exactly the same awful and anti semitic argument that's historically been used against Jewish people?
Of course, apologies the sarcasm of the first sentence didn't come out there.
Yes, the IDF is very protective of the civilian population in Gaza.
The most sensible approach, although it will probably not happen without Israeli oversight as they're not likely to go through the trouble of removing Hamas from Gaza, only to mortgage their future security to the peacekeeping prowess of the UN.
Imagine any other country in the world do that, any country and do not get backlash. They have a free ticket to massacre civilians and international NGO workers with absolutely zero repercussions.
If you can not put UN peace force in the WB to prevent the terrorist settlers and the Israeli state from stealing their land, then get the feck off.
Imagine living like that not only on your own land, no, but in your own fecking house, and then comes a *********** with his donkey logic and fecked up reason trying to explain why it is not a viable option for two state.
It’s so fecked up. Then having to read about ‘extremist Palestinians’ being the problem on top of that.
Absolutely, I am more than happy and open to criticise the Israeli government regarding their dismissing of a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. It serves only to dehumanise and justify the extremity of their response. Have I posted it here? No, because this thread is absolutely full of this sentiment already.
This response has come from me highlighting a vile interview where the leader of Hamas denied the killing of women, children and innocent people in Israel by Hamas terrorists. But apparently you can't do that without having to also dive into a plethora of whataboutism. My bad. I'll be sure to note Israeli atrocities whenever criticising Hamas and other extremist groups in the future.
And to your last point, no - you're the first to mention it. Actually, Palestinians are treated like shite in Egypt and in Jordan. Nowhere nearly as badly as by the Israelis but they are far from welcomed with open arms. I'm not fecking defending this, it's an additional branch to an already awful tree. One of the many reasons for this is because the governments in other countries are fearful of the spread of extremism that may come with this.
Are you honestly suggesting that Islamic Jihadist ideologies aren't an issue in Palestinian territories? Remind me again of the charters of both Hamas and the PIJ, and the regimes who support them?
For the record - I am incredibly critical of Israel. I think their current government poses immense threat to all in the region, including their own people. It's a government that needs to be moved on asap.
I also, however, think largely the same of the governing bodies in Gaza and the WB, and without the reinstating of new governments on all sides you won't have peace and you won't ever arrive at a two state solution, however distant it may feel now. But it's the only solution - one that includes the return of land to the Palestinians btw - that won't result in the mass extermination of huge swathes of peoples from both sides.
I'm genuinely sorry if any of this is offensive in any way, it's truly not my attention.
The Palestinian heart & courage is unmatched.
Another indefinite occupation.
Unnamed Hamas leader hiding under the bonnet?
As if the IDF knew whose Hamas and whose not. All they got to do is ditch their weapon, bring some gear and voila they're citizen.
They should create a good living conditions with good paycheck and healthy environment for Palestinians, that'll will greatly reduce the urge to become Hamas. All these bombings would only bolster Hamas number, maybe not immediately but everyone involved would likely resort to become the next Hamas
Also, the occupying forces have a population registry with addresses and occupations
Also, the occupying forces have a population registry with addresses and occupations
I don't think many of the hysterical American journalists who were always talking about how "chilling" and "dangerous" it was when Trump called one of them a fat toad has said much about this.
I'm just waiting for the number of Palestinian deaths that will cause Kirby to blubber on TV again
It’s a bit late for that.
Sounds like you're probably more in tune with a lot of this than I am. I am really trying hard not to paint an entire group with a broad brush, again, reflecting on what the Trump presidency was like in the US. That said, certainly seeing a lot to substantiate what you're referencing. Since this is a football forum, just came across this which was pretty shocking to me:
https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/YMxFH5Ijjv
What in the absolute fck reality are we living in right now!?
Stay safe out there. Doesn't do much me saying it but really hope you do
Backlash? A full inquisitions, economic embargo, and full blockade
So heart breaking. I cannot bear to watch the news coverage as it is deeply upsetting. Poor helpless people with no hope for freedom or a future.
Racists will racist
Yeah, this is quite a few years old, but Beitar Jerusalem is supported by many racist fans, some of whom are truly deplorable right wing extremists, and insisted over the years not to sign Arab players (even those who are Israeli).
I remember the Western uproar when Russia said this about Ukraine. I wonder whats the difference here...
Some of the jewish people are living in true fear. Especially those who lived in the south and north who have no homes right now because those homes were either destroyed in the attack a month ago or because they were evacuated by the government due to the fighting.
Some of them are right-wing extremists, taking the opportunity to do what they always wanted.
I wouldn't say there's any serious discussion between serious people about a "final solution", but I understand the emotion those words create.
As for the treatment of the Israeli-Arabs (or Israeli Palestenian citizens), they are indeed suffering from persecution. I can't really put myself in their shoes because I've never been in such a situation, but I really hope things change quickly but really, it's like the darkness that exists within people erupted along with the hidden racism/fear.
Kind of a gotcha question imo. Is there an answer that he could give? There isn't a single number, obviously. I'm sure the rest of the answer was along the lines of we're working towards a ceasefire, Blinken is meeting leaders daily facilitating, Biden has said yesterday he doesn't support any occupation and so forth.
Accusing someone on Twitter of being a war criminal from that, and then sharing, doesn't really advance anything.
The US is obviously trying to rein in Netanyahu, but the man is a monster and imo can only be stopped by his own people.
I think it's amazing that there's 100% consensus here that the US cannot reign in Bibi. Israel is using a lot of weapons, and a lot of the regular civilian economy is on hold for the war. Its forex reserves have dropped $7bn and growth forecasts are down.
The US is about to give it $14bn.
Israel also faced UNSC votes, in one of which it was saved only by the US veto.
So, it's fairly clear that the US does have very direct leverage over Israel. Of course, Palestinian suffering is magnitudes less important than supporting their ally, but the leverage exists, and will never be used. Combined with the active diplomatic, financial, and military support, the US (and taxpayers like me) has blood on its hands.
The US is about to give it $14bn.
Israel also faced UNSC votes, in one of which it was saved only by the US veto.
So, it's fairly clear that the US does have very direct leverage over Israel. Of course, Palestinian suffering is magnitudes less important than supporting their ally, but the leverage exists, and will never be used. Combined with the active diplomatic, financial, and military support, the US (and taxpayers like me) has blood on its hands.
I don't know what to think about this:
'I’m calling from Israeli intelligence. We have the order to bomb. You have two hours'
'I’m calling from Israeli intelligence. We have the order to bomb. You have two hours'