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[Highfather_24]

Horrific thread. Physically pains to watch this kinda thing. When you strip away someone's dignity like this, it can never end well.

 

[Kaos]

Y'all Qaeda at it again.

 

[Ainu]

Always a great idea to base politics on fantasy literature.

 

[MDFC Manager]

The more I learn about Churchill, the less I want to know. I am wondering if that was the general view around the time and Churchill's views are not out of the ordinary.

Same here. Abhorrent evil man, no less than most other historical genocidal cnuts

 

[Roane]

I don't know how to embed the link.

My friend of a friend in Gaza has sent an audio clip which suggests American pilots over Gaza.

When asked to identify they say "unable to identify at this time"

 

[Slevs]

Equally pathetic by Egypt.

Disagree. After seeing what happened in my country when the Palestinian refugees arrived, Egypt has all the right in the world to refuse them.

 

[RedDevil@84]

I saw it on BBC News as well and here it is directly.

That is where Israel's best buddy, US can come in and force them to be friends again with Israel.

 

[Drizzle]

Speaking of genocidal cnuts, here's Hamas stating they want all of Israel destroyed, that the 7/10 massacres were justified and will be repeated over and over again, and that they will never stop.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Speaking of genocidal cnuts, here's Hamas stating they want all of Israel destroyed, that the 7/10 massacres were justified and will be repeated over and over again, and that they will never stop.

Which is why they are a recognized terrorist organization. Sadly IDF isn't one, though they speak the same tongue and do similar acts.

 

[Maticmaker]

The more I learn about Churchill, the less I want to know. I am wondering if that was the general view around the time and Churchill's views are not out of the ordinary.

Churchill was a man for his time, had he not been the whole of Europe would have come under the 'jack boot' of Hitler. Churchill also had a good friend in the US presidency at the time; he was however not a peacetime leader and got voted out of office after the war, which perhaps answers your second question.

 

[WeePat]

Speaking of genocidal cnuts, here's Hamas stating they want all of Israel destroyed, that the 7/10 massacres were justified and will be repeated over and over again, and that they will never stop.

Chilling the way he casually he speaks about the annihilation of Israel.

 

[RedDevil@84]

The more I learn about Churchill, the less I want to know. I am wondering if that was the general view around the time and Churchill's views are not out of the ordinary.

People are in general a shade of grey and not black and white. Churchill was adored for his wartime exploits.

 

[flameinthesun]

The more I learn about Churchill, the less I want to know. I am wondering if that was the general view around the time and Churchill's views are not out of the ordinary.

I was born in London but grew up in the Caribbean and there you are taught Caribbean history which basically teaches you history from the side of the victims. The one take away is that nearly always the so called "advanced society", the "superior people", the "Great Empires", those people are the true brutes, the true savages and the true Barbarians. Yet as history is written by the victors, the subjugated and oppressed are demonised and labelled as the savages to justify the actions of the "Superior Society". The reality of it is this, there is no difference between what Hamas did on October 7th and what Israel is currently doing. Both was and are indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians. There is all this talk about this being an existential crisis for Israel, it is not, it is an existential crisis for the Palestinian people.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Do we have a transcript of that video that isn't translated by an organization with a Wikipedia section titled Translation Accuracy and Controversy?

 

[Withnail]

People are in general a shade of grey and not black and white. Churchill was adored for his wartime exploits.

Not to derail the thread but the shade of grey charactisation is a bit of a piss-take. He was a racist and a total cnut. None of his wartime exploits change that.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Churchill was a man for his time, had he not been the whole of Europe would have come under the 'jack boot' of Hitler. Churchill also had a good friend in the US presidency at the time; he was however not a peacetime leader and got voted out of office after the war, which perhaps answers your second question.

Yia, quite likely a peacetime president would have been ill-suited to lead England during WWII.

 

[Scandi Red]

Why do the refugee camps keep getting hit by missiles? Do Israel target the camps or are they accidental hits (I can't see how though)?

 

[Moby]

People are in general a shade of grey and not black and white. Churchill was adored for his wartime exploits.

As was Hitler.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Do we have a transcript of that video that isn't translated by an organization with a Wikipedia section titled Translation Accuracy and Controversy?

"Co-founded by former Israeli military intelligence officer Yigal Carmon...". Interesting.

In any case, I wouldn't doubt that the translations accurately represent what Hamas' intentions are. Maybe he used more moderate language in reality, but it hardly changes anything. People know that Hamas is a ruthless terror organization with a specific goal in mind.

 

[B20]

Not to derail the thread but the shade of grey charactisation is a bit of a piss-take. He was a racist and a total cnut. None of his wartime exploits change that.

And also hero of WWII and defender of the free world. I understand that people would like to keep their whites whites and blacks black (no racial connotation intended) but it does indeed shade the colors of his character.

edit. But yes, overall, he was a cnut.

 

[UpWithRivers]

Why do the refugee camps keep getting hit by missiles? Do Israel target the camps or are they accidental hits (I can't see how though)?

Sounds like Hamas leaders hide among them and Israel doesn't give a fk so they bomb the sht out of everyone

 

[Frosty]

Speaking of genocidal cnuts, here's Hamas stating they want all of Israel destroyed, that the 7/10 massacres were justified and will be repeated over and over again, and that they will never stop.

This is only going to encourage the depopulation of Gaza.

 

[2cents]

Why do the refugee camps keep getting hit by missiles? Do Israel target the camps or are they accidental hits (I can't see how though)?

Most of the population of Gaza are categorized as refugees by UNRWA, and there are a number of large, recognized refugee camps throughout the strip that have existed since 1948/49. I haven’t been to Gaza but if these camps are similar to those you find in the West Bank and Syria, then they are fairly indistinguishable from the surrounding urban area.

 

[Scandi Red]

then they are fairly indistinguishable from the surrounding urban area.

Shocking if true! Surely you would want to quickly build some sort of clear distinction, knowing that the Israeli army is advanced enough to at least in theory avoid the camps.

 

[RedDevil@84]

As was Hitler.

Ya of course. He seems to have taken some good decisions for the German public (not all) of that time. Anyways, back to the subject of the thread.

 

[Raoul]

Speaking of genocidal cnuts, here's Hamas stating they want all of Israel destroyed, that the 7/10 massacres were justified and will be repeated over and over again, and that they will never stop.

This is not particularly unexpected and consistent with the original Hamas charter. I'm sure this is getting blasted out by the Israeli government today.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Shocking if true! Surely you would want to quickly build some sort of clear distinction, knowing that the Israeli army is advanced enough to at least in theory avoid the camps.

Would it make a difference? Israel have made it pretty clear that as long as they believe they are getting Hamas, they couldn't care less how many innocent Palestinians are in the way. And Hamas would not refrain from hiding in a clearly marked refugee camp either.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Shocking if true! Surely you would want to quickly build some sort of clear distinction, knowing that the Israeli army is advanced enough to at least in theory avoid the camps.

Israel is not doing a surgical strike, I believe. Didn't their spokesperson say, some buildings in the vicinity just fell?

 

[Raoul]

Do we have a transcript of that video that isn't translated by an organization with a Wikipedia section titled Translation Accuracy and Controversy?

It seemed pretty accurate to me.

 

[Slevs]

Speaking of genocidal cnuts, here's Hamas stating they want all of Israel destroyed, that the 7/10 massacres were justified and will be repeated over and over again, and that they will never stop.

Do we have a transcript of that video that isn't translated by an organization with a Wikipedia section titled Translation Accuracy and Controversy?

This one? Or you mean the other one with the settlers?

 

[2cents]

Shocking if true! Surely you would want to quickly build some sort of clear distinction, knowing that the Israeli army is advanced enough to at least in theory avoid the camps.

That’s just the way the camps have evolved over 75 years of Egyptian and Israeli occupation. The largest camps have tens or in some cases I believe hundreds of thousands of residents. We’re not talking refugee tent cities as in, say, places like Sudan. Israel knows exactly where they are, Israel knows every street and alleyway in the Gaza Strip.

 

[Sweet Square]

 

[Zlatattack]

Apologies for not replying to you all lately. Needed to take a few days to step back as I felt it was all getting very personal and hateful. @africanspur I always love reading your posts. Very thoughtful balanced and insightful. I'll try to get round to replying eventually.

Finding it rather difficult to weave the nuanced line between Israels right to defend itself and the unspeakable casualties in Gaza. Also in being able to explain that line to others coherently. And you end up feeling attacked from all sides. Unpleasant emails/messages from the IDF for not coming, and the feeling that half the Muslim world feel that Israel is a legitimate target to wipe out, and that isn't shared by the vast majority of Jews, and that any support for the Israeli states makes you personally a valid target of hatred. I feel a strong undercurrent of what I consider antisemitism from some posters, and still hold my main positions on the subject. Seems if you are an Israeli/Jew (and like it or not, most jews want this, despite the gaslighting) who wants Israel to exist and defend itself, but not to expand and kill all the arabs, you're a target on all sides.

I appreciate those who try to thread a similar position to me like @Amir and possibly a few others. It also feels like we're homeless politically somewhat now. (perhaps less in Israel itself)

You've been targeted by the IDF for refusing to join their genocide?

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Chilling the way he casually he speaks about the annihilation of Israel.

I imagine he means the idea of Israel, as the ethno-nationalist/supremacist state. Or maybe the literal sense. I don't know anymore.

 

[Raoul]

 

[Raoul]

I imagine he means the idea of Israel, as the ethno-nationalist/supremacist state. Or maybe the literal sense. I don't know anymore.

He means the very concept of an Israel. Its not uncommon to hear these goons talk about ejecting all Israelis from the region. Its also a prominent Iranian talking point when they refer to Israel as "The Zionist Entity".

 

[NYAS]

Do we have a transcript of that video that isn't translated by an organization with a Wikipedia section titled Translation Accuracy and Controversy?

Just listened. Translation is accurate.

 

[Drizzle]

I imagine he means the idea of Israel, as the ethno-nationalist/supremacist state. Or maybe the literal sense. I don't know anymore.

It's a tricky one isn't it. I mean, he does kind of say he wants to repeat the 7/10 massacres time and time again, but maybe he just means that figuratively and he wants a one state liberal democracy where jews and arabs have equal rights.