Isn't it odd that only white brazilians are attending the games?
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Hardly a surprise really as there's only 7.61% Black (Ramires, Fernandinho, Jo, etc), in comparison to nearly 50% White.
Same could be said about the World Cup in South Africa. From what I can remember, it was only Black South Africans attending the games, which again weren't a surprise as there's only 8.9% White people in South Africa.
Same could be said about the World Cup in South Africa. From what I can remember, it was only Black South Africans attending the games, which again weren't a surprise as there's only 8.9% White people in South Africa.
That's racist to imply only there are rich white people
Well it's that or non white Brazilians don't like football.
Or the fact that there are more Whites than Blacks in Brazil.
Where were the White fans in the South African World Cup?
That's racist to imply only there are rich white people
It's hard to believe many afro-brazilians own a credit card which apparently is the only way to get a ticket.
What? Why? Out of 86 million afro-brazilians (if that is what they are) you dont think many of the them will own a credit card?
Exactly my first thoughts upon reading the post.
Joel Campbell is orginally from Jamacia. James Rodriguez is most likely a Mulatto, he looks like our Hernandez. Ruiz is clearly a Metzito mix. Neymar has a black father and there are rumours that he has bleached his skin and his hair has been chemically relaxed but he is half black.
Jamez Rodriguez mulatto? he looks castizo, just like Hernandez.
looks are the worst way to judge someones heritage.
if you didn't know anything about giggs there is no way you would believe or say he is quarter-black/quadroon.
If he is half-white, why would he bleach his skin? He'd already have those features--is he not considered Mulatto?
K Prince and Aogo are half-white and black, but they have the same features as Neymar.
Wouldn't be surprised if he relaxed his hair though. Here is a young Neymar next to Coutinho (I guess Coutinho is considered white)
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2011 industry data shows that only 15% of people in Brazil were in the habit of making online purchases with Credit Cards. Debit cards are more widespread, but you can't pay for a WC ticket with one.
What's his story anyway? This is his father. I always thought he was Italian-descent.
That's the story. He's part black because that's his father.
What's his story anyway? This is his father. I always thought he was Italian-descent.
Giggsy's dad is mixed race and his mother is white, which makes him one quarter black like @7th level red stated.
His dad's family are from Sierra Leone. He certainly identifies as black/mixed race.
Interesting that an Argentinian started this thread....
There's nothing American about them, they are "African Brazilians" as in people descended from slaves brought to Brazil from Africa.
i don't think there is anything odd - it is a reflection of the underlying horrific inequality that plagues brazil.
If people didn't know before, I hope this sheds light on it.
"odd" isn't the right term.....it is wrong.
the BRICS all have crushing inequality - hence why i think it is wrong for these countries to bid and spend massively on games when the money could be better used for their people.
If people didn't know before, I hope this sheds light on it.
"odd" isn't the right term.....it is wrong.
the BRICS all have crushing inequality - hence why i think it is wrong for these countries to bid and spend massively on games when the money could be better used for their people.
Actually, I didn't. Credit/debit cards are of widespread use in Brazil, as is having a bank account. It's probably one of the countries with the highest penetration in the world, let alone among developing countries.
The problem is more to do with internet access. More than access, actually making sense of how to buy a ticket on FIFAs site, that would be a completely alien experience for the lower echelons of society.
Ironic really. The rich -not super rich, just normal rich there, which is what you would likely refer to as middle class elsewhere- usually get someone to run errands and do all the queuing involved in getting tickets and such stuff (e.g. sending someone to stand outside a team hotel to get an autograph for their kids). With this system the middle man got cut out, both from running the errands and having any clue how to get the tickets for themselves.
if they were born in brazil they are americans
you, USofAiers, dont have the exclusivity of America
sorry
how so?
Not in the way that you are using the term, my friend
Do you call yourself American? I've never met a black Brazilian or Argentinian who did.
Not in the way that you are using the term, my friend
Do you call yourself American? I've never met a black Brazilian or Argentinian who did.
i'm an american that was born in argentina so i call myself "american" as much as spaniards, italians, etc. call themselves "europeans"
The OP mentioned nothing about underlying social class and all that.
And I like in a world where economy wasn't that good as well. And when you want to build a stadium, you'd choose the least expensive settlement to demolish, and that's normal in all wake of life, it's just efficiency.
And to be fair, I'm not trying to take sides, it looks as if they're kindly kicked out and told to go f themselves, while in truth it's not always as black and white as it pictures. In my country most of the poor settlement are just settlers, by de facto, and they don't actually own a piece of anything, and as much as its gruesome that they're forced to vacate, they don't own the land in the first place.
Life's not always fair, but if you're bringing racism into this... I don't really think racism is the motivation behind all that, or the driving force, it's simply the byproduct of the global economy. If a certain race is in majority not doing to well, they will be the target of the richer few, and it's not always because of their race, it's just the Rich vs. the poor (whatever their color is)
And talking about racism, this stereotyping that the whites are racist and all is not fair in my eyes, I don't think the majority of the whites there are doing anything (probably not all), they just simply doing better off financially
Not in the way that you are using the term, my friend
Do you call yourself American? I've never met a black Brazilian or Argentinian who did.
Sort of. We would largely call ourselves sudamericanos, not americanos. That said, we don't call you americanos but norteamericanos. It's a bit like East and West Berliners, they were all Berliners but a point was always made to establish which type.
Go back to the post you replied to. It wasn't really about racism but how the rich enjoyed the tourno while for the lower classes it only brought misery. There was no link to race other than the reference to the nazis kicking people out of their houses, which related to these mass evictions.
True, they didn't own the land, but had there been no World Cup they would have carried on being there like they had been for decades. It's one of the many things which has prompted the protests in Brazil and I can't say I disagree with the protestors.
In Fortaleza the stadium was finished just about in time. The shanty town it is placed in now has this huge white elephant bang in the middle of it. The upside was supposed to be new trains that connected it with the airport and city, to facilitate the tourist traffic. Estimated time to completion? Two years from now. Seeing as there will be no World Cup in two years requiring the infrastructure, it is likely it will just remain a promise. Just like the many "greyed out" stops in the Sao Paulo metro. A big deal was made of how all this money being spent would improve services, etc. so they actually established what new stops there would be, all the maps on the trains are future-proof, some people have bought houses assuming they will have a tube stop nearby... Some day, maybe.
They've justified the expense based on improved services that would arrive, then went on to spend considerably more than plannned for, and none of the services have been delivered. All that has been delivered is the absolute essentials, like a stadium in Manaus, which doesn't have a football team, and will cost 200K a month to maintain.
Id say the majority of our mostly densely populated region (south+center) is white... The north is way more mestizo/black
This is also not as easy as black and white. I live in Indonesia, and we have this slump problems of our own.
The thing is, this world cup is more than simply a party for the rich, the economic boost it brings to Brazil is a long term boost that can be felt (although indirectly for some) through all layers of people.
And to say that the world cup is only for the rich is so wrong, the rich and the poor enjoy the world cup equally. You should see the gathering they have at the slump simply to rejoice and united to support their team, or simply to watch the game.
Let's not tarnish it with political conspiracy and evil stuff. It simply is just a game of football.
I know it's more cliche, but for an idealist like me, when you beautify your nation, everyone will feel the benefit, whether they want to embrace it and be part of it (probably selling stuffs around the stadium, which will stay for long) or simply resist against it and loiter around it is their choice.
Sorry, we can't simply cater for everyone.
G.I.N.I (mentioned above) demonstrates that there are differing degrees of failure in trying to "cater for everyone".
Brazil has a particularly high co-efficient.
Off course, it's just the product of the demand and supply
I'm not saying that nothing wrong happened, but the reason for the wrongs aren't as sinister as many here suggested. It's just often a byproduct of a simple Demand vs. Supply
Only the rich can afford to buy the tickets, especially the off market ones. Average wage is $330 a month.
Being rich is not a privy to "put your color skin" though
James Rodriguez is definitly white....or the very least majority white. No chance he has African in him, maybe a little Indigenous. Javier Hernandez is from a white European-Mexican background, just look at his dad and grandad. Both played for Mexico at the World Cup. Chicarito looks as white as you can be for someone from Latin America.
I actually though Campbell was Jamaican based on his surname and skin color. Does anyone know how he ended up playing for Spanish-speaking Costa Rica? Neymar is clearly half black, no ones doubting that.
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This from wiki suggests otherwise:
Indicators White Brazilian Black Brazilian
Illiteracy[3] 5.9% 13.3%
University degree[4] 15.0% 4.7%
Life expectancy[5] 73.13 67.03
Unemployment[6] 5.7% 7.1%
GDP per capita[7] R$ 22,699 R$ 15,068
Homicide deaths[8] 29% 66%
Romani gypsies are European.
Loads of people think of USA as America so only people from that country can class themselves as American. When actually in reality anyone from either of the two American continents could class themselves as American as I am European.
It's funny that people from the USA try to gain a monopoly on the name when the person the Americas was named after Amerigo Vespucci originally only explored as far a the mouth of Amazon River.
Loads of people think of USA as America so only people from that country can class themselves as American. When actually in reality anyone from either of the two American continents could class themselves as American as I am European.
It's funny that people from the USA try to gain a monopoly on the name when the person the Americas was named after Amerigo Vespucci originally only explored as far a the mouth of Amazon River.