ISIS in Iraq and Syria

'An evening with ISIS'?

Something good, man.
Did you see the pics from Deir Ezzor where the SAA beheaded two dead ISIS members? There were so many pics of all of their dead bodies.
 
Did you see the pics from Deir Ezzor where the SAA beheaded two dead ISIS members? There were so many pics of all of their dead bodies.
No but my friend did talk about that to me. Im gonna look for it now
 
Squad photo of some of the Western fighters in the YPG.
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The Dutch guys are awesome, here's one of them (husky voice imo) talking a few months back.

 
So these western fighters going to fight for the YPG who like ISIS are listed as a terrorist organisation by most western countries will they be subjected to the anti terror laws or does that only apply to Muslims?
 
So these western fighters going to fight for the YPG who like ISIS are listed as a terrorist organisation by most western countries will they be subjected to the anti terror laws or does that only apply to Muslims?

Who has listed the YPG as a terrorist organisation?
 
Nobody except maybe Turkey. PKK is listed as one though. Then again that list is bullshit, the two biggest Kurdish parties in Iraq, who are now direct allies with many Western countries, were also on the list.

The YPG's leader was also in direct talks with America recently about receiving weapons and aid. Although they did have to promise to not use them against Turkey.
 
Yeah the terror lists are bullshit depending on who you are, as they say one man's terrorist is a next man's freedom fighter. Just find the hypocrisy funny when it's a Muslim from the west going to Syria it's a disgrace but if a white biker/ex military person goes it's heroic. Either way you must be a batsh*t crazy sociopath to go and fight in a foreign country's civil war by your own accord, if your're Syrian/Iraqi/Kurdish i can probably understand wanting to go there to fight.
 
Yeah the terror lists are bullshit depending on who you are, as they say one man's terrorist is a next man's freedom fighter. Just find the hypocrisy funny when it's a Muslim from the west going to Syria it's a disgrace but if a white biker/ex military person goes it's heroic. Either way you must be a batsh*t crazy sociopath to go and fight in a foreign country's civil war by your own accord, if your're Syrian/Iraqi/Kurdish i can probably understand wanting to go there to fight.

Well the reason for that is that the YPG and other organisations these 'white bikers/ex military' have joined are not decreed as terrorist organisations in their countries, whereas ISIS are.

The 'white bikers/ex military' lot would be equally condemned if they joined ISIS.
 
Well the reason for that is that the YPG and other organisations these 'white bikers/ex military' have joined are not decreed as terrorist organisations in their countries, whereas ISIS are.

The 'white bikers/ex military' lot would be equally condemned if they joined ISIS.

PKK are listed as a terrorist group in the US, UK and other Western countries as well as the UN.
 
These westerners are joining the YPG, not the PKK.

Sorry if I'm wrong but aren't the YPG cut from the same cloth? Same as Al Queda and ISIS?
 
Sorry if I'm wrong but aren't the YPG cut from the same cloth? Same as Al Queda and ISIS?

Nope.

PKK are a Marxist, pro-Kurdish independence group who prior to this whole mess were pretty much operating exclusively in Turkey and have been around for 30-40 years.

The YPG were set up a couple of years ago admist the start of the Syrian civil war with the intention of protecting Kurdish areas.

The only thing they really have in common is that they're Kurdish and are fighting ISIS.
 
you should understand the logic behind it. Obviously they dont litterarily label every single person as terrorist/militant/combatant. Just everyone they can without looking like complete idiots, which is everyone as long as there is no evidence against such a statement.

The word "precision strike" is also a good example how language is used to control the perception of people. In the 90s (first gulf war?) some genius invented new terms for war, that compare military operations with surgical procedure. Its a brilliant move to let peope believe that you only kill the bad guys. War loses almost all of its horror. Obviously thats mostely bollocks, but even Göbbels would have been proud of such a PR stunt. Its one of the reasons why americans dont feel any remorse while killing incredible amounts of people; they really think that the overwhelming majority of dead people are terrorists/combatants/militants or just "up to no good". There is much more to that but I am too lazy to waste my time with writting essays, that you will just laugh off anyway. Following ideology without really realizing it is fairly dangerous.

The problem with bombs isnt that they are missing their target all the time, but them having a significant kill-radius. If you bombard a town like Raqqa you´ll inevitably kill people, who are not targets even if you hit 100% of your targets. An even bigger problem is, that you eventually dont know where/who to bomb in the first place in such an area - at least not with "precision". Having "fancy" laser guidance is helping very little.

I'd say this calls for some personal responsibility.

If you're not AQ, ISIS, Taliban or some other combatant in opposition to the United States, and you're;

A) Hanging out at one of their hideouts
B) Hanging out and a truck full of dudes with Assault Rifles, RPG's and other stuff rolls up
C) Chillaxing at the neighborhood tea shop and (Refer to option B)

I'd say you should get the hell out of the area.
 
PKK and YPG are part of a wider umbrella group, but they are not the same group. Arguably the same ideals and structure but that doesn't make them the sense. Westerners are perfectly fine in joining the YPG.
 
I'd say this calls for some personal responsibility.

If you're not AQ, ISIS, Taliban or some other combatant in opposition to the United States, and you're;

A) Hanging out at one of their hideouts
B) Hanging out and a truck full of dudes with Assault Rifles, RPG's and other stuff rolls up
C) Chillaxing at the neighborhood tea shop and (Refer to option B)

I'd say you should get the hell out of the area.

Chillax? Please god, no.
 
Yeah the terror lists are bullshit depending on who you are, as they say one man's terrorist is a next man's freedom fighter. Just find the hypocrisy funny when it's a Muslim from the west going to Syria it's a disgrace but if a white biker/ex military person goes it's heroic. Either way you must be a batsh*t crazy sociopath to go and fight in a foreign country's civil war by your own accord, if your're Syrian/Iraqi/Kurdish i can probably understand wanting to go there to fight.
White? Aren't the Syrians, Iraqis, Turks and arabes in general white?
 
White? Aren't the Syrians, Iraqis, Turks and arabes in general white?

Sorry my bad i used the wrong terminology should have used non Muslim western/European.
 
Kurdish forces, in a village near Kobane, ambush 2 members and kill them. The actual killing is cut so it's just a before and after. If it's not appropriate then I'm sure Raoul or someone will delete it.

 
What were they doing chilling in some large field out in the open. Silly terrorists.
It's isis controlled territory, kilometres from Kobane. They're meant to be safe there but YPG conduct these type of operations deep in their control to hurt them. You see how they do a runner after killing them, they don't have the aim of controlling these villages in these operations, just to hurt them.
 
Some dispute on it now, whether it be on the location or if it's just training. ffs
 
you should understand the logic behind it. Obviously they dont litterarily label every single person as terrorist/militant/combatant. Just everyone they can without looking like complete idiots, which is everyone as long as there is no evidence against such a statement.

The word "precision strike" is also a good example how language is used to control the perception of people. In the 90s (first gulf war?) some genius invented new terms for war, that compare military operations with surgical procedure. Its a brilliant move to let peope believe that you only kill the bad guys. War loses almost all of its horror. Obviously thats mostely bollocks, but even Göbbels would have been proud of such a PR stunt. Its one of the reasons why americans dont feel any remorse while killing incredible amounts of people; they really think that the overwhelming majority of dead people are terrorists/combatants/militants or just "up to no good". There is much more to that but I am too lazy to waste my time with writting essays, that you will just laugh off anyway. Following ideology without really realizing it is fairly dangerous.

The problem with bombs isnt that they are missing their target all the time, but them having a significant kill-radius. If you bombard a town like Raqqa you´ll inevitably kill people, who are not targets even if you hit 100% of your targets. An even bigger problem is, that you eventually dont know where/who to bomb in the first place in such an area - at least not with "precision". Having "fancy" laser guidance is helping very little.

FYI most of those terms like surgical strike and precision bombing etc are older than the Gulf War, some going back into WW2.
 
Should have revealed his full name so the prick gets his comeuppance.

It's been reported in the Indian media. There's also a photo of him floating around, looks like your average, clean-shaven urban South Asian dude.