ISIS in Iraq and Syria
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@Raoul can help with this maybe Airstrikes against fix targets are "easier" to set up because the targets don't move or don't move as much. Things like warehouses, headquarters, supply depots, etc. don't move as much as say tanks, trucks, ground troops do.
For hitting front-line targets especially using fast moving aircraft, you need some sort of forward air control support. Now that can come from drones, in some cases I think satellites if the information can be passed on quickly enough to the pilots, or specially trained forward air controllers who can call in strikes on targets as they present themselves. There are troops/militia from groups that are fighting ISIS in Kobane yes or no? If yes, then you really do want FAC support for the pilots to make sure they are targeting the right groups and even then there are risks involved. Friendly fire incidents from close air support are as old as the use of close air support itself.
I would imagine should jets from the US or any other member of the coalition launch airstrikes in the Kobane area and have a few bombs hit the wrong people then we would see a lot of complaining about that in this thread also.
Of course there may very well be other reasons for no airstrikes on Kobane.
For hitting front-line targets especially using fast moving aircraft, you need some sort of forward air control support. Now that can come from drones, in some cases I think satellites if the information can be passed on quickly enough to the pilots, or specially trained forward air controllers who can call in strikes on targets as they present themselves. There are troops/militia from groups that are fighting ISIS in Kobane yes or no? If yes, then you really do want FAC support for the pilots to make sure they are targeting the right groups and even then there are risks involved. Friendly fire incidents from close air support are as old as the use of close air support itself.
I would imagine should jets from the US or any other member of the coalition launch airstrikes in the Kobane area and have a few bombs hit the wrong people then we would see a lot of complaining about that in this thread also.
Of course there may very well be other reasons for no airstrikes on Kobane.
I feel sick.
Some valid points but it must be said that the U.S. have conducted loads of air strikes that have hit ISIS vehicles and men, specifically in the Mosul Dam area. That's not the issue here.
Also, you mentioned the risk of friendly fire. In Kobane, it's clear as daylight to everyone there who is ISIS and who is YPG. YPG don't have 10s of tanks or heavy weaponry. The YPG have also stated, time and time again, that they are ready to coordinate air strikes for the coalition. Has their offer been accepted? No.
Right now, there is a massive hill near Kobane with tanks and heavy weaponry including mortars and artillery. Shall I phone up Obama and tell him to hit it? Because there is no chance of friendly fire there, and it's clear for all to see that it is an ISIS position.
Also, you mentioned the risk of friendly fire. In Kobane, it's clear as daylight to everyone there who is ISIS and who is YPG. YPG don't have 10s of tanks or heavy weaponry. The YPG have also stated, time and time again, that they are ready to coordinate air strikes for the coalition. Has their offer been accepted? No.
Right now, there is a massive hill near Kobane with tanks and heavy weaponry including mortars and artillery. Shall I phone up Obama and tell him to hit it? Because there is no chance of friendly fire there, and it's clear for all to see that it is an ISIS position.
Can't believe they didn't help the kurds,
YDG-H ; youth section of the PKK has started rioting across all Kurdish cities in Turkey. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I expect complete chaos in Bakur, in the coming weeks.
They're removing Ataturk statues and burning police cars, clashing with police.
They're removing Ataturk statues and burning police cars, clashing with police.
Turkey is on the USA payroll, everything that Turkey does you have to go back to the USA.
Eyewitnesses saying that the YPG have raised their flag on the Tl-Kani hill. That hill is the one where you see the ISIS flag a couple of hours ago, across all news networks. I think the photo of that flag was posted in this thread.
Even in complete darkness and against the odds, Kobane resists. ISIS will struggle in these street fights, as shown. They may eventually take the town but it will take hundreds of deaths from their ranks before that happens.
Even in complete darkness and against the odds, Kobane resists. ISIS will struggle in these street fights, as shown. They may eventually take the town but it will take hundreds of deaths from their ranks before that happens.
thats understandable but not good
Turkey will use this as argument against any kurdish demand.
This is the hill that the eyewitnesses claim to see the YPG flag. Eyewitnesses in the town itself btw, those on the border won't see it because of the complete darkness.ISIS entering Kobane
Utter nonsense. Turkey has its own interests at play in Syria. They are after all neighbors and have to deal with long term cross border issues.
And the Kurdish people will use Kobane and Turkish support for ISIS as an argument against any Turkish demand. feck them.thats understandable but not good
Turkey will use this as argument against any kurdish demand.
yeah....but nobody will listen.
Turkish army are withdrawing heavy weapons from Mürşitpınar border crossing to Kobane.
Either they expect ISIS to take over the other side (why won't they engage in combat?) or they are allowing ISIS to infiltrate Kobane from the North.
Either they expect ISIS to take over the other side (why won't they engage in combat?) or they are allowing ISIS to infiltrate Kobane from the North.
Do they have the training necessary to do the job, not an expert but I think in the US military they spend some time training you for that.
And yeah give Obama a call, see how that works out.
But of course I am someone who as against the US getting involved in Libya, Syria, the Iraq Invasion and engaging ISIS, so take that into consideration with my response.
Didn't the US and Turkey have a bit of differences of Israel in recent years also, particularly around the time Israeli forces boarded a few ships sailing out of Turkey, that were bound for Gaza or something like that?
They did, and as well they should have. Two completely different countries with different geopolitical goals. Anyone who thinks Erdogan can be influenced by the US as easily as ordering a round of french fries at a Burger King drive through needs to put the crack pipe down. Same applies the other way around - Erdogan marches to his own drummer relative to his own substate agenda.
Ibrahim vs Obama fight to death, who would win
Is Suli in Turkey?
Can't help the feeling that Turkey won't in at all. Maybe they hope that ISIS will take care of their "Kurdish problem" as well. Might be a bit far fetched but given the history of the Kurds and the Turks I wouldn't put it past them. Especially not past a ruthless criminal like Erdogan.
lol no, I'm in London!
lol no, I'm in London!
huh, since you seem to be the one providing udpates and in depth opinions, thought you might be in the area!
I've been following the war in Syrian Kurdistan for 2 years, I know who's reliable and I'll relay the facts to here, giving my own opinion as I go along.
Turkish media saying that ISIS lost 50-100 fighters when they raised that flag on the building. It lowers morale, but at a high loss to them also.
They've entered Kobane and street-to-street fighting has begun.
How many fighters does isis have these days
Seems to be a vast area they control just wondering how many people they have as surely things like supplies and logistics must be getting difficult over so many fronts with such distances?
Seems to be a vast area they control just wondering how many people they have as surely things like supplies and logistics must be getting difficult over so many fronts with such distances?
The Turks are pretty much granting them access to the railways and allowing them to cross borders seamlessly. They're also receiving billions in covert funding from some Arab states. The recruits are foreign jihadists numbering the many thousands, most of them from North Africa, Asia and Chechnya...in addition to the thousands of Jihadists from Western countries like Britain, France, the US and Australia.
Essentially only a handfull of divisions of troops and an area of that size... Seems almost impossible though obviousley not.
the CIA and arabic media estimates that their numbers tippled over the last few month to 30.000 fighter. Additionally there is support from local Sunni tribes, who hold the ground in iraq.
Whispers of a Kurdish uprising. Tens of thousands are on the streets burning police property and clashing with them. Chants of "Biji Berxedana YPG" and "Biji Serok Apo" as they look to make Turkey pay for their support.
Unclear how far this will go, if the youth get hold of firearms then this will escalate severely.
Unclear how far this will go, if the youth get hold of firearms then this will escalate severely.
I'm so confused. Some people post the US, UK etc have no business in the ME and then there are posts that it is shameful they haven't helped. Damned if you do damned if you don't.
And just as I say this:
"Reports that YDG-H members with fire arms are carrying out ID-controls on roads in Slopî. (Silopi)"
Don't mind the toys out the pram brigade. They're always rabidly salivating to have a go at the US whether they do something or do nothing.
true enough.
As pointed out by Raoul, pre-9/11 this was absurdly easy. Take a look at the locations of airports and the targets. Very little reaction time once an airplane veers slightly off course. They have since added a few strategically placed SAMs (little alarming the first time you see them).
There's hundreds of photos on Twitter showing cars burning and clashes with police across all cities.
Why not protest the German government?
I don't know, I'm not there. Probably because America is the one at the forefront of the air strikes and so are held most responsible for not helping Kobane. You probably don't agree but that's life.