ISIS in Iraq and Syria

Also the crocodile tears from the British government is nauseating.

Theresa May was all too happy getting on her knees for the Saudis last week while they raze Yemen to the ground, offering them more shiny toys to facility their killing spree. But suddenly they've become humanists in Syria, all while still refusing to take in child refugees.

Well said.

I have my disagreements with Robert Fisk, but he's spot on with the below:

'Certainly our political masters are – and for the same reason as the rebels kidnap their victims: money. Hence the disgrace of Brexit May and her buffoonerie of ministers who last week prostrated themselves to the Sunni autocrats who fund the jihadis of Syria in the hope of winning billions of pounds in post-Brexit arms sales to the Gulf.

In a few hours, the British parliament is to debate the plight of the doctors, nurses, wounded children and civilians of Aleppo and other areas of Syria. The grotesque behaviour of the UK Government has ensured that neither the Syrians nor the Russians will pay the slightest attention to our pitiful wails. That, too, must become part of the story.'
 
Feck you, seriously.

That's very kind of you. You should be able to discuss or even dispute my post without insulting me.

I have friends who live in Aleppo who verified this.

I have too. Their stories are quite different.

Where do you people get that regime is fighting ISIS? Its not true at all, when isis entered Palmyra two days ago they left without fighting, the only ones fighting isis are Turkey and the rebels, you people all have agendas feck this thread.

In Deir Ezzor, Hasakah, Al-Qaryatayn, Palmyra, Kuweires Military Airbase.

But they are gaining the most ground on isis, you just don't want to believe it because they have an islamic leader, the world is that islamophobic nowadays.

They don't . They (The Turks) are just there to
to prevent the Kurds from creating territorial continuity for themselves.

Anyway, I don't have to agree with you on many things regarding this tragic war, but I respect you and your opinion.
 
I highly doubt that'll play out anywhere like as hopeful as you've made it sound.
No, I'm pretty sure that's how it'll play out. The rebels surrendering and leaving the city is what the govt and the Russians want.

They have that now.

Well, ideally they wanna kill all the rebels :lol:
 
No, I'm pretty sure that's how it'll play out. The rebels surrendering and leaving the city is what the govt and the Russians want.

They have that now.

Well, ideally they wanna kill all the rebels :lol:

I don't trust them just to let them walk out. There'll be a double cross and they'll try and kill them.

Plus what are the odds of rebels blending in with the locals that are left in an attempt to stay in the city and cause havoc once the Russians think they've cleared it? Not like they've got a register of names of every rebel fighter is it?
 
Some of the stories coming out from Aleppo are truly heartbreaking. Will it ever stop?
The stories coming out from Aleppo aren't from western MSM. There were some reporters on the ground in Syria. They were beheaded.

Edit: It seems I was wrong about this. You wouldn't know it, but according to Vanessa Beeley in this video report from Damascus (having recently been in Aleppo), the BBC have had people in Aleppo for days. Very strange that we haven't heard from them. Maybe they are struggling to put a report together that doesn't expose the fact that they've lied previously.

 
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Just to show how hopeless is the task of identifying the truth tellers, here are claims from partisans of both sides of fabrication of propaganda today:



 
That's very kind of you. You should be able to discuss or even dispute my post without insulting me.



I have too. Their stories are quite different.



In Deir Ezzor, Hasakah, Al-Qaryatayn, Palmyra, Kuweires Military Airbase.



They don't . They (The Turks) are just there to
to prevent the Kurds from creating territorial continuity for themselves.

Anyway, I don't have to agree with you on many things regarding this tragic war, but I respect you and your opinion.
I don't respect you when you come here and say thank god aleppo is free when 100k people werr under threat of being killed off, those people are my country men and you guys talk about them dying like its a celebration, no I don't respect your view points at all when my country is bleeding and everyone in the world is watching in absolute silence, when a terror attack happens in the west and 2-3 people die the whole world mourn them, now almost a million dead here and no one is doing anything, on the contrary other countries are aiding in the killing of civilians like its nothing, imagine something like this happening to your country and lets say 100 people of your country men are under siege and under serious threat of death, would you "respect" my opinion if my "opinion" is gloating like those dying are worthless human beings? The sheer hypocricy !
 
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That's very kind of you. You should be able to discuss or even dispute my post without insulting me.



I have too. Their stories are quite different.



In Deir Ezzor, Hasakah, Al-Qaryatayn, Palmyra, Kuweires Military Airbase.



They don't . They (The Turks) are just there to
to prevent the Kurds from creating territorial continuity for themselves.

Anyway, I don't have to agree with you on many things regarding this tragic war, but I respect you and your opinion.
In reply to this point, this is absolute lies, they are at complete piece with isis, other than the recent palmyra attack they rarely fight.
 
So who's been fighting ISIS in those towns? Ghosts? The Kurds? Or are they in cahoots with ISIS too?
No is fighting isis in those towns, isis took over Palmyra two days ago without any fight, Al Qaryaten is yet to be taken over by isis, Kurds I think are close to kuwaeris airport right now and Al Hasakah as well but still not close enough to fight isis in the mentioned towns, no one is fighting isis in Der Ezzour, and anyone who believe otherwise is lying to themselves, btw what do you think about Kurds blowing up Besiktas stadium? Is it okay because kurds did it?
 
No is fighting isis in those towns, isis took over Palmyra two days ago without any fight, Al Qaryaten is yet to be taken over by isis, Kurds I think are close to kuwaeris airport right now and Al Hasakah as well but still not close enough to fight isis in the mentioned towns, no one is fighting isis in Der Ezzour, and anyone who believe otherwise is lying to themselves, btw what do you think about Kurds blowing up Besiktas stadium? Is it okay because kurds did it?
So who took Palmyra from ISIS the first time round?

And no I don't support any terrorist attacks, regardless if whether Kurds are involved are not. Why would you assume I supported the stadium attacks? I may be kurdish but I have no time for terrorists like the PKK.
 
So who took Palmyra from ISIS the first time round?

And no I don't support any terrorist attacks, regardless if whether Kurds are involved are not. Why would you assume I supported the stadium attacks? I may be kurdish but I have no time for terrorists like the PKK.
So they took one town from isis once which they lost back, what heroes they are!
 
http://www.globalresearch.ca/report-from-aleppo-a-historic-moment/5561835

Report from Aleppo: A Historic Moment
By Revd Andrew Ashdown
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I sensed that I was coming to Aleppo at an historic moment, and tonight I think that is true.

Throughout the night there has been an unceasing and relentless bombardment of the last ‘rebel’-controlled pockets in the city, all of which I have a bird’s eye view from my hotel room. Every few seconds there are huge explosions rending the air and lighting up the sky a few kilometres away, interspersed with rapid bursts of gunfire. I can see tracer bullets, and the trail of missiles as they hit their target.

This is a frightening, relentless and prolonged attack that has gone on for hours. I watch and listen with sadness and ambiguity. Sadness because as a priest I abhor violence, hate conflict, am thinking of any civilians trapped in that hell-hole and wondering how many are dying – and because like everyone else, I only want peace. But ambiguity, because over the past few years, I have been listening to the voices of ordinary Syrians whose cries and experiences of brutality and violence at the hands of extremist terrorist factions supported by the international community have been ignored by the outside world ; and whose suffering in the conflict has been exploited and heightened by the arrogant intransigence and bloody-minded single-mindedness of an international agenda that has nothing to do with the interests or human rights of the Syrian people.

The fact is, across the country, and amongst the citizens of Aleppo – including those who have finally been able to flee the terrorist-controlled areas and are emerging with heart-rending accounts of the violence and brutality meted out on them these past years by the terrorists occupying their neighbourhoods – everyone wants to see the terrorists defeated and an end to the fighting. Independent journalist, Vanessa Beeley interviewed one woman yesterday who had fled East Aleppo a few days ago and whose eight year old daughter was killed and husband shot by the ‘rebels’, and who saw a woman shot in the mouth asking them for food who said: “I hope the Army will show them no mercy. They are animals and deserve to die.”

The international community are calling for a ceasefire. Why on earth, when the Syrian Army are making such progress which the people of Aleppo are celebrating, and when every ceasefire so far has been used to resupply the terrorists, would the Syrian Government stop now? The last ceasefire which the Government held for two weeks last month was broken relentlessly by ‘rebel’ attacks on Western Aleppo that killed and maimed dozens of innocent civilians. Make no mistake, this is not a Government attacking its own people. I have laid out before me a whole city, in the majority of which, and as in all other Government-held areas of the country, citizens from whatever faith or ethnic community, are getting on with their lives and living together.

I am standing a few kilometres away from the battle zone but am safe. The bombing is taking place, not across the city, but only in those small pockets of the city where the ‘rebels’ have held out. Most of the civilians that have been able to flee those areas are being looked after in Centres run by the Syrian Government and Syrian Red Crescent and with aid which the Russians are providing. They all tell of the ‘rebels’ shooting at those trying to leave. (Few know anything about the ‘White Helmets’ and those that do, have little good to say about them because they are working with the terrorists.)

So I stand here watching a battle with deeply mixed and conflicted feelings … sadness at the loss of life taking place before me; but a feeling like so many others in this city that the Syrian Government has been left with no other choice.

It is only when fighting ceases that a political solution can be found, but it is clear that as long as the Western -backed al-Qaeda linked terrorists are able to operate, there can and will be no peace in the city or the country. Believe me, most Syrians are cheering their army on. The refusal of western governments and media to listen to the Syrian people, and to follow only their own agendas, has ensured that this brutal conflict and suffering on all sides has gone on for far too long. So as I watch a relentless battle taking place before my eyes, I feel that sadly, there is no other option.

And when the battle ends, in Aleppo and in other parts of the country, the long and no doubt difficult and painful task of rebuilding people’s lives, and healing the pain, will begin.
 
This is the report that everyone accepts as true and has fueled the enormous outrage. I've bolded the words that make me strongly doubt its authenticity/validity. Make your own minds up.

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http://www.ohchr.org/en/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=21024&LangID=E

Aleppo terror and slaughter must be halted – Zeid
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GENEVA (13 December 2016) – UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein today pleaded with the international community to heed the cries of the women, men and children being terrorized and slaughtered in Aleppo and to take urgent steps to ensure that the tens of thousands of people who have fled, surrendered or been captured are treated in line with international law.

The UN Human Rights Office has received credible reports of scores of civilians being killed – either by intense bombardment or summary execution by pro-Government forces. Dozens of bodies reportedly litter the streets of a number of east Aleppo neighbourhoods, with residents unable to retrieve them due to the intense bombardment and fear of being shot. Government forces and their allies are also reportedly entering civilian homes and killing people. Multiple sources have reported that pro-Government forces killed at least 82 civilians, including 11 women and 13 children, in the Bustan al-Qasr, al-Ferdous, al-Kallaseh, and al-Saleheen neighbourhoods yesterday. Thousands of people who remain in areas under the control of armed groups are at risk of grave violations, including detentions, torture and killings.

“The crushing of Aleppo, the immeasurably terrifying toll on its people, the bloodshed, the wanton slaughter of men, women and children, the destruction – and we are nowhere near the end of this cruel conflict. What can happen next, if the international community continues to collectively wring its hands, can be much more dangerous. What is happening with Aleppo could repeat itself in Douma, in Raqqa, in Idleb. We cannot let this continue,” Zeid said.

The High Commissioner emphasized that the Government of Syria has an obligation to respect and protect the right to life of all civilians as well as of fighters who have surrendered, or laid down their weapons, are sick or wounded or otherwise hors de combat. The Government of Syria is obliged by international humanitarian law to provide medical assistance to all sick and wounded, civilians and fighters alike, without any discrimination.

However, reports suggest that of those fighters who have fled, some were reportedly caught and killed on the spot while others were arrested. Many family members report having lost contact with their loved ones. There are initial reports of young men who have been detained by pro-Government forces in a school near the Jibreen industrial area for screening.
International law requires that all those detained must be treated humanely, be protected from any form of ill-treatment or torture. If security measures, such as vetting, are imposed they must strictly comply with international law. In particular, these measures should never involve any discrimination on the grounds of race, colour, sex, language, religion or social origin and must be limited to those that are strictly necessary. All those detained are entitled to due process and those accused of a criminal offence are entitled to a fair trial.

In the absence of independent monitors observing the screening process, and given the terrible record of arbitrary detention and torture in Syria even prior to the start of this conflict, we must take urgent measures to ensure the protection of the people who have fled Aleppo,” Zeid said.

“Independent observers – the UN or other external actors – must be granted access to the screening facilities to ensure that the vetting is carried out in line with international humanitarian law. The international community must insist on this.”
“The world is watching Aleppo – and we are documenting the violations being committed against its people, with the firm conviction that one day those who are responsible will be held to account. We must ensure that this happens. The hellish suffering to which the people of Syria are being subjected must stop.”

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It's all unsubstantiated, alarmist hearsay, as I see it. Meanwhile, actual on-the-spot reports and footage show and tell a completely different story. There's something very smelly about this. Let's just bear in mind that the "rebels" that have been defeated include Al Nusrah - affiliates of Al Qaeda. It's fecking fishy as feck.
 
It's been pretty well established now that the US has been actively trying to topple Assad since 2006.

This hasn't been true since at least 2013.
 
Just to show how hopeless is the task of identifying the truth tellers, here are claims from partisans of both sides of fabrication of propaganda today:





I got sucked down this particular rabbit hole earlier this morning and it really is frustrating. Blatant misinformation coming from both sides with people on social medial jumping all over whichever deceit fits their agenda, while completely ignoring any evidence to the contrary. I know that line about truth being the first casualty of war is an old one but it never seems to have been as obvious as it is now. It's impossible to get a grasp on what the hell is going on when you find yourself second-guessin everything you re
 
I got sucked down this particular rabbit hole earlier this morning and it really is frustrating. Blatant misinformation coming from both sides with people on social medial jumping all over whichever deceit fits their agenda, while completely ignoring any evidence to the contrary. I know that line about truth being the first casualty of war is an old one but it never seems to have been as obvious as it is now. It's impossible to get a grasp on what the hell is going on when you find yourself second-guessin everything you re

Unfortunately most people make their judgements along some variation of this:

 
Unfortunately most people make their judgements along some variation of this:



Heh. So true.

I'm also really struggling with all the keyboard warriors from the Uk/Ireland who've got so entrenched in their world view that they see scum-bags like Putin and Assad as the good guys and Obama as some kind of monster. The world's gone mad.
 
Heh. So true.

I'm also really struggling with all the keyboard warriors from the Uk/Ireland who've got so entrenched in their world view that they see scum-bags like Putin and Assad as the good guys and Obama as some kind of monster. The world's gone mad.

One of the great cities of the Middle East has been obliterated over the course of four years, and every party active or involved in Syria is to blame in some degree. I've no problem with those who argue for one side over another as long as their judgement is not based on the idea that the side they've chosen somehow bears no responsibility for what has happened. Those who do so are inevitably the ones who will deride all propaganda coming from the opposing side while accepting without question the propaganda coming from their own side.
 
One of the great cities of the Middle East has been obliterated over the course of four years, and every party active or involved in Syria is to blame in some degree. I've no problem with those who argue for one side over another as long as their judgement is not based on the idea that the side they've chosen somehow bears no responsibility for what has happened. Those who do so are inevitably the ones who will deride all propaganda coming from the opposing side while accepting without question the propaganda coming from their own side.

Yeah, that's more or less the conclusion I've come to. The world is an incredibly complex place, which people seem desperate to see in binary terms. The "truth" is always somewhere in the messy middle-ground between the two extremes of any debate. People seem to gravitate away from the mid-point where truth resides to set up camp at whichever end of the spectrum fits their preconceptions before they even knew about the issue at hand.

I'm aware that I could be accuse of doing the same by talking about Putin and Assad as scum-bags and refusing to accept that anyone could see Obama as a monster. However, I do think - for all it's sins - that the progressive west has overall been a positive influence on the world and an important factor in the unprecedented period of peace and prosperity we've all enjoyed. So I'm much more inclined to give the benefit of any doubt to people like Obama than I am to the likes of Putin and Assad.
 
I had the similar problems yesterday. I was reading up on the whole thing a bit, since I wasn't really informed and it's all just depressing really, but it is really hard to dissect what's closer to the truth than other stuff. I feel like I am no closer to what I should think about it. For example I was watching a Crosstalk on Russia today and if you haven't got a clue what their ties are or you are trying to keep an open mind about all of this, those people can come across as knowledgeable and reasonable. I'm still not sure with everything I've read whether the White Helmets are an useful organisation or not.
 
This hasn't been true since at least 2013.
Remember Rumsfield's memo to General Wesley Clark - the infamous "7 countries in 5 years" doctrine? That was 15 years ago.

What I was specifically referring to was the leaked Wikileaks cable from 2006 by then US diplomat to Syria William Roebuck, suggesting means to exploit the regime with the intention of toppling it.

You can read the cable here: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html
 
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One of the great cities of the Middle East has been obliterated over the course of four years, and every party active or involved in Syria is to blame in some degree. I've no problem with those who argue for one side over another as long as their judgement is not based on the idea that the side they've chosen somehow bears no responsibility for what has happened. Those who do so are inevitably the ones who will deride all propaganda coming from the opposing side while accepting without question the propaganda coming from their own side.

I agree with most of this,the propaganda on both sides has been nauseating, and bots regurgitating news that only shows one side of the conflict makes it difficult to dissect what exactly is going on. But i would say some actors should take more blame than the others. But one thing you can't deny is the destruction in Aleppo shows a complete disregard for human life and totally disproportionate and this is why i could never understand the people justifying this. I am a humanist foremost and it's not just Assad and the Russians its also the Saudis in Yemen, Israel bombing the Gaza strip etc, it's repulsive.
 
I had the similar problems yesterday. I was reading up on the whole thing a bit, since I wasn't really informed and it's all just depressing really, but it is really hard to dissect what's closer to the truth than other stuff. I feel like I am no closer to what I should think about it. For example I was watching a Crosstalk on Russia today and if you haven't got a clue what their ties are or you are trying to keep an open mind about all of this, those people can come across as knowledgeable and reasonable. I'm still not sure with everything I've read whether the White Helmets are an useful organisation or not.
My reading (I've been googling this stuff for the past 24 hours, so while I'm no expert, it seems pretty clear I know more than a lot of the so-called journalists at the BBC) leads me to the inevitable conclusion that the White Helmets are crooks. I'd have to search again for the links but the genuine Civil Defence organisation disowns them, very very few in East Aleppo have heard of them, they're accused of being complicit with jihadists, are dismisssed as a sham by credible journos who have been in the midst of things in Syria, and have taken over a 100m in donations/support from the west.
 
My reading (I've been googling this stuff for the past 24 hours, so while I'm no expert, it seems pretty clear I know more than a lot of the so-called journalists at the BBC) leads me to the inevitable conclusion that the White Helmets are crooks. I'd have to search again for the links but the genuine Civil Defence organisation disowns them, very very few in East Aleppo have heard of them, they're accused of being complicit with jihadists, are dismisssed as a sham by credible journos who have been in the midst of things in Syria, and have taken over a 100m in donations/support from the west.

Not sure if serious but if you are, thanks for adding some light relief to a very depressing thread!

By the way, I'm guessing you got all your info on the white helmets from that canadian journalist whose video you linked a page or two back? The one with links to Russia Today?
 
Remember Rumsfield's memo to General Wesley Clark - the infamous "7 countries in 5 years" doctrine? That was 15 years ago.

What I was specifically referring to was the leaked Wikileaks cable from 2006 by then US diplomat to Syria William Roebuck, suggesting means to exploit the regime with the intention of toppling it.

You can read the cable here: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html

No doubt Assad was a target under Bush. However Obama came along 2 years later and I would doubt that from 2008-2011 he was anywhere near as interested in Syria. Again I'd acknowledge that during 2011 and 2012 the Americans thought they could exert some sort of authority over a regional situation that was spiraling out of control and threatening their interests by taking out Assad, but the effort they put in either reflected (a) their lack of commitment or (b) their inability to do the job, since Assad was still there in 2013, all before Russia's intervention. And in 2013 Obama had the greatest casus belli an American president looking to overthrow Assad could hope for, and instead he basically handed Syria over to Putin and struck a deal to financially rehabilitate Assad's greatest regional backer.

As I've said all along, since at least 2013 (and I suspect longer), America has not been trying to overthrow Assad, they've just been trying to prevent him and anyone else from winning. And in many ways that policy has proved the worst possible option for the Syrian people.
 
Not sure if serious but if you are, thanks for adding some light relief to a very depressing thread!

By the way, I'm guessing you got all your info on the white helmets from that canadian journalist whose video you linked a page or two back? The one with links to Russia Today?
No. Also Vanessa Beeley and some other on-the-ground journo whose name escapes me atm (I'm sick and tired) and I found a post-script of an enquiry made to the real Civil Defence force who discredited the White Helmets. I certainly have no reason to discredit that Canadian freelance appearing in the UN panel presentation though. It makes very little difference to me that she has worked for RT among others.
 
Yeah, that's more or less the conclusion I've come to. The world is an incredibly complex place, which people seem desperate to see in binary terms. The "truth" is always somewhere in the messy middle-ground between the two extremes of any debate. People seem to gravitate away from the mid-point where truth resides to set up camp at whichever end of the spectrum fits their preconceptions before they even knew about the issue at hand.

I'm aware that I could be accuse of doing the same by talking about Putin and Assad as scum-bags and refusing to accept that anyone could see Obama as a monster. However, I do think - for all it's sins - that the progressive west has overall been a positive influence on the world and an important factor in the unprecedented period of peace and prosperity we've all enjoyed. So I'm much more inclined to give the benefit of any doubt to people like Obama than I am to the likes of Putin and Assad.

You mean peace and prosperity the west enjoyed?
 
No. Also Vanessa Beeley and some other on-the-ground journo whose name escapes me atm (I'm sick and tired) and I found a post-script of an enquiry made to the real Civil Defence force who discredited the White Helmets. I certainly have no reason to discredit that Canadian freelance appearing in the UN panel presentation though. It makes very little difference to me that she has worked for RT among others.

Look at her website ffs. I mean, credit where it's due for keeping her agenda front and centre but you'd struggle to find another journalist anywhere who is so blatantly partisan.
 
Look at her website ffs. I mean, credit where it's due for keeping her agenda front and centre but you'd struggle to find another journalist anywhere who is so blatantly partisan.
I didn't look at that. Not interested. Was interested in the White Helmets. THIS is what I looked at:

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/10/...l-peace-prize-nomination-should-be-retracted/

White Helmets Campaign for War NOT Peace – RLA & Nobel Peace Prize Nomination should be Retracted
Vanessa Beeley
Vanessa Beeley
21st Century Wire

‘A “prize for the champions of peace, meaning Suttner, IPB and the movement for peace throughout cooperation on a disarmed brotherhood of nations” – as promoted by the peace congresses. Nobel’s letters to Suttner leave no doubt that this was his intention and the, for eternity, legally binding, purpose of the prize.’ ~ Nobel Peace Prize Watch.

The awakened world is still reeling in shock from the Right Livelihood Award being given to the US and NATO state construct, the White Helmets. The White Helmets have been proven to be no more than a support network for Al Nusra Front and associated extremist terrorist groups. In many documented instances, the White Helmets are more than a support group and have been accused of carrying out criminal acts alongside the recognised US coalition armed and funded terrorist factions. Ultimately, the White Helmets contravene all international laws regulating the behaviour of a proclaimed humanitarian NGO.

In the following statement that will be presented to the board of the Right Livelihood Award, I lay out very clear evidence to support my argument that the RLA should be retracted and that the White Helmet’s Nobel Peace prize nomination is a travesty of what this prize should represent.

STATEMENT REQUESTING THE RETRACTION OF THE RIGHT LIVELIHOOD AWARD, GIVEN TO THE WHITE HELMETS.

My name is Vanessa Beeley. I am an independent investigative journalist, writer and photographer based in France. I contribute regularly to various independent media sites such as 21st Century Wire, the Ron Paul Institute, Globalresearch, Mint Press. I have recently returned from a four week stay in Syria from 24 July until 26th August. The first week, I went as a member of the US Peace Council delegation, and the subsequent three weeks I travelled independently to as many governorates as possible, including Aleppo, in order to continue my own investigation into the organisation known as the White Helmets.

My conclusion, after my eighteen-month long analysis and research into this organisation is that they are a US and UK Foreign Office construct, funded and equipped by nations that have a proven vested interest in their stated policy of regime change in Syria & a clear geopolitical agenda in the region.

The White Helmets claim to be neutral and ‘non-aligned,’ yet they actively promote and lobby for US/NATO state intervention, including a ‘No Fly Zone’ which violates Syrian sovereignty. The majority of legal scholars agree that enforcing a No Fly Zone is construed as an act of war. This is in direct violation of the fundamental principles which underpin authentic humanitarian work and certainly not deserving of the Rights Livelihood Award.

I respectfully request that the members of the Rights Livelihood Award committee review their award of this prestigious award to the organisation known as the White Helmets.

I believe strongly that this award has been given in error, perhaps because not enough evidence was presented to the committee. I ask the committee to consider the following, documented, and supported evidence:

The White Helmets claim to be a “neutral, impartial, humanitarian NGO, with no official affiliation to any political or military actor and a commitment to render services to any in need regardless of sect or political affiliation.” I will now present evidence that should demonstrate the illegitimacy of these claims:

1: The White Helmets receive funding from UK ($65m via UK Foreign Office), US (US State Dept via USAID $ 23m), Holland ($ 4.5m), Germany ($ 7.87m) and Japan (undisclosed sum from the Intl Cooperation Agency), Denmark (undisclosed sum) – via the Mayday Rescue “foundation” that was set up by the British ex-military trainer of the White Helmets in order to transfer funding to the White Helmets. The White Helmets also receive equipment and supplies from various EU member states. This funding is concealed behind the generic heading of “Emergency Health and Relief Support to the Population Affected by the Crisis in Syria”, through the Directorate-General for European Civil Protection and Humanitarian Aid Operations (DG-ECHO), formerly known as the European Community Humanitarian Aid Office.

2: The White Helmets were established in Gaziantep, Turkey, not in Syria. They are largely trained in Turkey and Jordan, not inside Syria.

3: The White Helmets are embedded exclusively in areas of Syria occupied by listed terrorist organisations including Nusra Front and ISIS, along with various associated ‘moderate rebels’ such as Ahrar al Sham and Nour Al Din Zinki. All these groups are responsible for carrying out ethnic cleansing operations and mass executions of the Syrian people. Nour Al Din Zinki was recently videoed beheading 12 year-old Palestinian child, Abdullah Issa. Like the White Helmets, all of these terrorist factions receive funding, training, equipment and support from the United States and its Coalition partners. A fact that is extensively documented.

4: During the situation in Madaya, Syria in January 2016, the White Helmets in Idlib were photographed attending demonstrations & carrying banners that were calling for the “burning and destruction” of the towns of Kafarya and Foua. These are two Idlib villages under full siege by Ahrar Al Sham & Nusra Front (Al Qaeda in Syria) since March 2015, partial siege since 2012. The siege ensures the starvation of villagers and daily shelling and sniping by Ahrar Al Sham and Nusra Front has killed over 1750 civilians during this time.

5: There is video and photographic evidence available that clearly shows the White Helmets participating in Nusra Front operations in the areas occupied or taken over by this organisation. There is one particularly damning video taken during the Nusra Front violent and brutal attack on Idlib City in March 2015. In this video White Helmet operatives are seen clearly beating a Syrian civilian prisoner of Nusra Front and circling the prisoner, mingling with heavily armed and hostile Nusra Front militia. Please watch:


6: The White Helmets have been filmed “clearing up” after a Nusra Front execution of a civilian prisoner in Northern Aleppo. Although the official statement from the White Helmets claims they arrived after the execution, the speed with which they appear (in video) immediately after the prisoner has been shot in the head, demonstrates clearly that they were on the scene and did nothing to prevent it.

7: Various other White Helmet operatives have posted videos of the torture and execution of Syrian Arab Army prisoners to their social media pages with celebratory comments. One such operative, Muawiya Hassan Agha, is alleged to have been “sacked” for his participation in such executions. However, despite various demands, an official statement has never been issued by the White Helmets to this effect. Neither have they publicly condemned the torture and execution of prisoners of war, an act that contravenes the Geneva Convention. Warning graphic footage:


8: The leader of the White Helmets, Raed Saleh, was deported from Dulles Airport in the US, April 2016. No real explanation was ever given for this decision. Mark Toner of the US State Department fielded questions from media but did (i) Admit to funding the group with $ 23m and (ii) suggest that Raed Saleh might have “extremist connections”. Raed Saleh has recently been allowed back into the US in September 2016 and spoke at the UN New York with the Dutch Mission. However, no explanation has been given for this reversal of the previous decision to deport Saleh.

9: The White Helmets are also referred to as the ‘Syria Civil Defence.’ However, there is an existing Syria Civil Defence. The REAL Syria Civil Defence was established in Syria in 1953. I met with crews in Aleppo, Lattakia, Tartous and Damascus during my four weeks in Syria. The REAL Syria Civil Defence were founder members of the ICDO [International Civil Defence Organisation] which is affiliated with the UN, WHO, OCHA, Red Cross, Red Crescent. The REAL Syria Civil Defence are still paying annual subscriptions to the ICDO of 20,000 Swiss Francs. The REAL Syria Civil Defence do operate in both terrorist and government held areas, they operate with equipment that has been decimated by the war & sanctions and they do not receive up to $150 m in funding from the US, UK and EU states. The Real Syria Civil Defence are recruited and trained inside Syria.

10: During interviews with the REAL Syria Civil Defence, they informed me that the Nusra Front and associated ‘moderate rebels’ who invaded areas such as East Aleppo, Raqqa, Deir Ezzor, Idlib, massacred crew members of the REAL Syria Civil Defence and stole the majority of their equipment in those areas, including fire engines and ambulances. Many of these armed groups then became White Helmet operatives. Testimony from the REAL Syria Civil Defence suggests that the White Helmets are acting as support for Nusra Front, ISIS and other heavily armed militia described as “moderate rebels”.

11: On multiple occasions, the White Helmets have been exposed staging rescue scenes for both photo and video, recycling images of children and incidents from the conflict in Syria, to support their narrative, editing video which misrepresents the scene in question, using images from a previous incident or even fake images altogether. There are many documented instances of this.

12: The White Helmets have been filmed describing Syrian Arab Army bodies as “trash” and one particular video shows them standing on top of a pile of SAA soldier’s bodies, whose boots have been removed or stolen. The White Helmets talk about the bodies in pejorative terms and they flick a victory V sign as the truck drives off.

13: There are many images documented, that reveal the White Helmet operatives carrying arms or posing with arms alongside the various armed militia including Nusra Front. There is also further footage from Idlib showing White Helmet operatives celebrating alongside Nusra Front militia after the massacre of Syrian Arab Army forces and Syrian civilians during this attack.

14: Adulatory publicity about the White Helmets is the result of a multimillion dollar sustained commercial marketing and social media promotional campaign via a network that is funded by George Soros and various US, UK and Middle Eastern enterprises. The PR network is as follows: Avaaz – Purpose – Syria Campaign – White Helmets. The funding connects back to these organisations and US State-funded entities who have a vested interest in events in Syria. This is also extensively documented.

15: Analysts have observed, the White Helmets achieve on average 4 or 5 videos per day, depicting their heroic rescue efforts. The REAL Syria Civil Defence have evaluated these videos and cast doubt as to the White Helmets being true first responders or USAR (Urban Search and Rescue) experts. They pinpointed various anomalies (i) the equipment used is too heavyweight for the delicate operation of finding bodies beneath collapsed buildings (ii) the treatment of injured bodies is dangerous, they are flung onto stretchers with no back support or neck brace, for example. Many of the paramedic procedures shown on film are also deemed questionable. The White Helmets rarely travel without a sizeable camera team or crew of mobile phone cameramen. The REAL Syria Civil Defence do not.

16: While in Aleppo, I conducted a short video interview with Dr Bassem Hayak of the Aleppo Medical Association, based in West Aleppo. Dr Hayak still has family trapped in East Aleppo. Dr Hayak told me that his family and the majority of civilians in East Aleppo (occupied by Nusra Front and an estimated 22 brigades of armed militants) do not know who the White Helmets are which begs the question, where are they conducting their much promoted humanitarian work? Dr Hayak also said that UN agencies in East Aleppo who work with the Aleppo Medical Association are not aware of the White Helmets.

In summary, this evidence points to the White Helmets being a US, UK, EU creation established in 2013, and not an independent NGO. It is a multi-million dollar US Coalition funded organisation. It is funded by governments involved & invested in the Syrian conflict. No one can rightly call this a grass-roots Syrian organisation.

There is an existing Syria Civil Defence that is being ignored by western media. Running parallel there is a vast fund raising network constructed to collect money which is funnelled into the pseudo White Helmets designed to replace the authentic Syria Civil Defence in the minds of the western public. The REAL Syria Civil Defence is crippled by US and EU sanctions, the White Helmets have never been affected by these sanctions, their supply chain via Turkey is unbroken.

Conservative estimates put White Helmets funding at over $150 million thus far, which is far more than any real NGO would ever require in a decade, much less 3 years. Tax payers in funding countries have a right to know precisely what their money is funding.

The evidence demonstrates that the White Helmets are sectarian not impartial. They are in many instances, armed not unarmed. The promotional material produced for the White Helmets such as the recent Netflix documentary film, is often produced outside of Syria, usually in Turkey, and with any field footage supplied by the White Helmets. Who has verified the authenticity of this footage, or photographs?

The White Helmets are feeding images of “humanitarian disaster” and “war crimes” to the very same western nations who are funding them, and to politicians and media outlets who are using these visual narratives, with the explicit purpose of lobbying for a US, UK Foreign Office proposed, “Safe Zone” or “No Fly Zone” in Syria. Recent history teaches us, this No Fly Zone policy carries with it the threat of reducing Syria to a Libya-style “failed state.”

Effectively, this organisation campaigns for an escalation of war in Syria.

Many of their ‘campaigns’ have since been discredited as “war fiction”, and yet they are being used by the US Coalition as justification for continuing and increased economic and diplomatic sanctions, sanctions which are a collective punishment on the Syrian people, while the US coalition persists with equipping and arming the various militia on the ground in Syria, including Nusra Front (al Qaeda in Syria).

This only serves to ensure even more suffering and bloodshed inside Syria.

The presentation of the Right Livelihood Award to the White Helmets will ultimately discredit the Right Livelihood Foundation. More crucially, the awarding of this prize to a suspect and fraudulent organisation serves to perpetuate a western-sponsored conflict in Syria which has only delayed the possibility of any real peaceful resolution.

We call on the leaders of the Right Livelihood Foundation to investigate the evidence presented in this statement and to retract the RLA award, if this evidence is proven sufficient to disqualify the White Helmets.

Thank you for your consideration of this very important matter.

Vanessa Beeley

US Peace Council member (part of recent US Peace Council delegation to Syria July 2016)


UK Column infographic depicting the US and NATO deep state connections of the White Helmets

All related links:

White Helmets and Mayday Rescue:
The Syrian Civil Defence: Wikipedia


21st Century Wire article on the White Helmets:
Syria’s White Helmets: War by Way of Deception ~ the “Moderate” Executioners

21st Century Wire compilation of most important articles and talks on the White Helmets:
Who are the Syria White Helmets

Original investigative report:
The REAL Syria Civil Defence Exposes Fake White Helmets as Terrorist-Linked Imposters

Cory Morningstar report:http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2014/09/17/syria-avaaz-purpose-the-art-of-selling-hate-for-empire/
Investigation into the funding sources of the White Helmets, including Avaaz, Purpose, The Syria Campaign

Open letter to Canadian MPs from Stop the War Hamilton (Canada):
Letter from the Hamilton Coalition to Stop War to the New Democratic Party in Canada ref the White Helmet nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize:


Open letter to Canada’s NDP Leader on Nobel Prize:
Letter to NDP from Prof. John Ryan protesting White Helmet nomination for RLA and Nobel Peace Prize.

Rick Sterling report:
White Helmets Deceive Right Livelihood and Code Pink


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Not sure if already posted, but has anyone seen the US's UN ambassador Samantha Power's rant at the UNSC?



Absolute masterclass in hypocrisy, it's almost comical.