ISIS in Iraq and Syria
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To keep it short, then if there are some ignorant Sunnis ("who haven't heard of Alloush, or are unaware of what Alloush and all the other Wahhabi groups have been saying"), then your job should be educating them and telling the truth like it is, not accepting the ignorance and the false sectarian propaganda.
Or, if some are still in doubt, they could listen to the dozens of other videos where the PMU talks about the Sunnis and their relationship with the Sunnis.
As for what will happen after the liberation of Mosul, you should be ready for a ton of similar propaganda, like the picture they painted about the Sunnis cleansing in Tikrit. What were the facts that nobody talked about (because if didn't fit their sectarian narratives)?
No operation is perfect, and no people are perfect, and after what ISIS did there will always be some individual reactions here and there, by any group, be it Kurds, Shia, Sunnis, Yazidis, Christians, (even people in Europe), ... But the general theme of how things are developing in that regard is very positive.
I doubt any Iraqis are interested in what 2cents on Redcafe has to say. But I think I've written quite enough about groups like Jaysh al-Islam on here to get away with one post questioning the wisdom of describing a military operation in modern-day Mosul as a reenactment of the defining historical event in the Sunni-Shi'i schism.
The Mosul operation has begun
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ISIS also lost hold of Dabiq and since the final apocalyptic battle didn't happen (they withdrew without putting up a fight) they are currently reinterpreting their ideas about the place.
Also there are already some early rumors that their fighters are being ordered to withdraw from Mosul - should obviously be taken with a pinch of salt at this stage.
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Also there are already some early rumors that their fighters are being ordered to withdraw from Mosul - should obviously be taken with a pinch of salt at this stage.
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How many civilians are still living in Mosul? I read up to 1,5m but that seems a lot.
ISIS has been broken last year. After Tikrit, Baiji and then Anbar, it was obvious ISIS is heading towards its end. The ISIS project actually failed in 2014, when it failed to enter Baghdad, which was the objective many powers were waiting for, but after their failures in Saladdin and Anbar, everybody and especially Turkey realized the ISIS card is finished, and they needed to replace it with something else. In Syria they are replacing them now with new groups (and I'm pretty sure they're reintegrating the ISIS fighters now in these new groups too, under new names). In Iraq it's a bit more complicated, as they don't have much to work with, and they're not stupid to try and invade Mosul with their own army, which explains why Erdogan is losing his mind about the Mosul op.
The most important challenge now would be not letting ISIS re-organize under a new name in Mosul and in Iraq. A thorough investigation will need to be done and their networks and cells will need to be exposed and neutralized, because carbombs and terrorist attacks against civilians will be their method of operation in the coming months in Iraq.
The most important challenge now would be not letting ISIS re-organize under a new name in Mosul and in Iraq. A thorough investigation will need to be done and their networks and cells will need to be exposed and neutralized, because carbombs and terrorist attacks against civilians will be their method of operation in the coming months in Iraq.
It's difficult to have accurate numbers in these circumstances, probably 1 million, may be less. Luckily the Mosul op won't be as hard fought as the battles in Tikrit and Baiji. It will be more in line with the Falluja op, or may be even easier, or at least that's what I hope.
I'd heard about some pipeline project to rival Russia, and it was clear Assad was building his profile in the west (wife's interview was famous). But these videos completely ignore the Arab Spring that started in Tunisia, and led to protests in Egypt, Bahrain, Libya, Yemen, and Syria. Some of these states are pro and some are anti West; there's no pattern.
Is it possible that France backed protests against Assad and not the others, and then helped spin the narrative? Yes. But without the context of the other protests you can't examine Syria in isolation.
Wait, what's going on lately? Are they trying to win Mosul back? 
Yep. Huge offensive against the city. Some 54,000 Iraqi troops vs. an estimated 5,000 IS fightersWait, what's going on lately? Are they trying to win Mosul back?
Finally, I hope they crush IS.
There will be mass civilian casualties. No two ways about it.
Hopefully most manage to leave, camps have been setup. The best thing to happen would be for ISIS to retreat, they've been doing it a lot lately.
Sun Tzu would say to leave 1 road out of Mosul open and wait until they take it... They catch them in the open and annihilate them.
There's a lot of talk that that's exactly what they've done - they've left an escape route to Syria 'open' via the west of the city.
Hopefully ISIS takes the bait and flees. Would save a lot of time, money, and blood not having to fight street to street
Godspeed to the brave Iraqi forces and Peshermga.
The real battle however is winning back the hearts and mind of the Sunnis in the north. Hope both sects treat this as a new reconciliation chapter in Iraq.
The real battle however is winning back the hearts and mind of the Sunnis in the north. Hope both sects treat this as a new reconciliation chapter in Iraq.
People celebrate as rebels leave town of Qudsaya and Syria's army regains control. Looks like Assad hired some actors to pose as 'happy locals'. Shameful.
I was watching some documentaries on the Soviet-German war and they did this a lot to each other. Pretty much the whole war was about encirclements, but occasionally they would leave an escape open. Either if they had the airforce waiting to bomb the retreating troops or if they wanted to capture the city quickly and use it as a base.
Only fair that they celebrate the return of their democratically elected government instead of the ISIS scum or the "moderate rebels".
The sooner the west fecks off from Syria and leaves Assad to it the better.
What I fear though is that when the common enemy ISIS is defeated us in the West, USA, Saudi Arabia and our cronies will turn against Assad and the government forces, using these "moderate rebels" that no one but the CIA ever has seen as proxies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-plot-suspect-visited-Syria-year-brother.html
So the terrorist who was caught in Germany before committing a terrorist attack (and who died later in prison) turns out to be one of those aid workers, and was working with the "Ahrar Al-Sham" group which is designated as "moderate" by the US and Europe.
When Mosul is liberated does Obama get to claim any credit?
He led the charge!
Surprised that there's no such thing as 'moderate' to anyone but our retarded governments?
the same 'democratic government' that siezed power by a coup, and have been winning 'elections' by 98% since 1971. Yeah.They aren't retarded, they know very well who they are dealing with.
You have a better alternative? Oh wait, I know it. Let the West and the US dictate a new government made up by the various rebel groups in Syria. That shit always works out, sure did wonders in Iraq and Libya.
"cuz democrazzzzzyyyy"
My post was in response to your silly statement about Assad regime being democratically elected.
Either way Syria won't ever recover with Assad in charge. Maybe if he listened to his people and opened a discussion during the protests rather than gunning them down we wouldn't be having this problem.
Straight out of four lions
No real clashes so far. Looks like the fight won't be about Mosul. It will fall easily when the forces get there. The fight is about saving as many ISIS fighters as possible and re-locating some safely to Syria (which is a bit problematic with the Iraqi air forces trying to control the roads between Syria and Iraq and target any vehicles moving in both directions). Would be interesting to see if the coalition air force will target ISIS convoys escaping Iraq and heading to Syria.
Of course ISIS will keep sending those car bombs and suicide bombers to gain some time.
Here is a map showing the main advances/direction of movement today.
Meanwhile...
Of course ISIS will keep sending those car bombs and suicide bombers to gain some time.
Here is a map showing the main advances/direction of movement today.
Meanwhile...
That click seems too risky, going to duck out now.