ISIS in Iraq and Syria

A very interesting take on what's going on in Syria.


The Slow Death of the Syria Cease-Fire Brings a Hybrid War With Russia Closer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/syria-cease-fire-russia_b_10510126.html

BEIRUT — Gradually, the mist of ambiguity and confusion hanging over Syria is lifting a little. The landscape is sharpening into focus. With this improved visibility, we can view a little more clearly the course of action being prepared by Iran, Russia and the Syrian government.

Russia is emerging from an internal debate over whether the U.S. is truly interested in an entente or only in bloodying Russia’s nose. And what do we see? Skepticism. Russia is skeptical that NATO’s new missile shield in Poland and Romania, plus military exercises right up near its border, are purely defensive actions.

Iran, meanwhile, is studying the entrails of the nuclear agreement. As one well-informed commentator put it to me, Iran is “coldly lethal” at the gloating in the U.S. at having “put one over” Iran. Because, while Iran has duly taken actions that preclude it from weaponizing its nuclear program, it will not now gain the financial normalization that it had expected under the agreement.

It’s not a question of slow implementation — I’ve heard directly from banks in Europe that they’ve been visited by U.S. Treasury officials and warned in clear terms that any substantive trade cooperation with Iran is closed off. Iran is not being integrated into the financial system. U.S. sanctions remain in place, the Europeans have been told, and the U.S. will implement fines against those who contravene these sanctions. Financial institutions are fearful, particularly given the size of the fines that have been imposed — almost $9 billion for the French bank BNP a year ago.

In principle, sanctions have been lifted. But in practice, even though its sales of crude are reaching pre-sanctions levels, Iran has found that, financially, it remains substantially hobbled. America apparently achieved a double success: It circumscribed Iran’s nuclear program, and the U.S. Treasury has hollowed out the nuclear agreement’s financial quid pro quo, thus limiting Iran’s potential financial empowerment, which America’s Gulf allies so feared.

Some Iranian leaders feel cheated; some are livid. Others simply opine that the U.S. should never have been trusted in the first place.

And Damascus? It never believed that the recent cease-fire would be a genuine cessation of hostilities, and many ordinary Syrians now concur with their government, seeing it as just another American ruse. They are urging their government to get on with it — to liberate Aleppo. “Just do it” is the message for the Syrian government that I’ve heard on the streets. A sense of the West being deceitful is exacerbated by reports of American, German, French and possibly Belgian special forces establishing themselves in northern Syria.

All this infringement of Syrian sovereignty does not really seem temporary but rather the opposite: there are shades of Afghanistan, with all the “temporary” NATO bases. In any case, it is no exaggeration to say that skepticism about Western motives is in the air — especially after Ashton Carter, the U.S. defense secretary, raised the possibility of NATO entering the fray.

As Pat Lang, a former U.S. defense intelligence officer, wrote last week:

"The Russians evidently thought they could make an honest deal with [U.S. Secretary of State John] Kerry [and President] Obama. Well, they were wrong. The U.S. supported jihadis associated with [Jabhat al-Nusra, al Qaeda’s Syria wing] ... merely ‘pocketed’ the truce as an opportunity to re-fit, re-supply and re-position forces. The U.S. must have been complicit in this ruse. Perhaps the Russians have learned from this experience."

Lang goes on to note that during the “truce,” “the Turks, presumably with the agreement of the U.S., brought 6,000 men north out of [Syria via the] Turkish border ... They trucked them around, and brought them through Hatay Province in Turkey to be sent back into Aleppo Province and to the city of Aleppo itself.” Reports in Russian media indicate that Nusra jihadists, who have continued to shell Syrian government forces during the “truce,” are being commanded directly by Turkish military advisers. And meanwhile, the U.S. supplied the opposition with about 3,000 tons of weapons during the cease-fire, according to I.H.S. Jane’s, a security research firm.

In brief, the cease-fire has failed. It was not observed. The U.S. made no real effortto separate the moderates from Nusra around Aleppo (as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has affirmed). Instead, the U.S. reportedly sought Nusra’s exemption from any Russian or Syrian attack. It reminds one of that old joke: “Oh Lord, preserve me from sin — but not just yet!” Or in other words, “preserve us from these dreadful jihadist terrorists, but not just yet, for Nusra is too useful a tool to lose.”

The cease-fire did not hasten any political solution, and Russia’s allies — Iran and Hezbollah — have already paid and will continue to pay a heavy price in terms of casualties for halting their momentum toward Aleppo. The opposition now has renewed vigor — and weapons.

It is hard to see the cease-fire holding value for Moscow much longer. The original Russian intention was to try to compel American cooperation, firstly in the war against jihadism and, more generally, to compel the U.S. and Europe to acknowledge that their own security interests intersect directly with those of Moscow and that this intersection plainly calls for partnership rather than confrontation.

The present situation in Syria neither facilitates this bigger objective nor the secondary one of defeating radical jihadism. Rather, it has led to calls in Russia for a less conciliatory approach to the U.S. and for the Kremlin to acknowledge that far from preparing for partnership, NATO is gearing up for a hybrid war against Russia.

At least there would be less emissions.
 
Feck me that pilot's kill/death ratio must be obscene.

Bit stupid of them to travel in one densely assembled convoy, but I'm not complaining :drool:
 
Feck me that pilot's kill/death ratio must be obscene.

Bit stupid of them to travel in one densely assembled convoy, but I'm not complaining :drool:

They made a massive mistake by traveling in a noticable convoy, but then again they were left with little choice after having just been routed out of Fallujah.
 
They made a massive mistake by traveling in a noticable convoy, but then again they were left with little choice after having just been routed out of Fallujah.
Me being the armchair military general that I am, I would have thought it better to travel in small groups, intermittently, while going off in different directions.

But again I might be overestimating the tactical nous of a desperate and broke ragtag bunch of extremists.
 
Why the feck does ISIS still exist? How many fighters do these mf'ers have?
 
Apparently Al-Nusra has already been provided with 100 anti-aircraft missiles by "some country", and...

Weapons for Syrian rebels sold on Jordan's black market
CIA plan to arm Syrian rebels undermined by theft of weapons by Jordanian intelligence agents, officials say.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...bels-jordan-black-market-160626141335170.html

But at least democracy is prospering in Idlib now...



Iraqi aviation annihilating an ISIS convoy fleeing recently liberated Fallujah.


Good work. Hopefully Mosul is next so we can turn that page soon.
 
Apparently Al-Nusra has already been provided with 100 anti-aircraft missiles by "some country", and...

Weapons for Syrian rebels sold on Jordan's black market
CIA plan to arm Syrian rebels undermined by theft of weapons by Jordanian intelligence agents, officials say.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...bels-jordan-black-market-160626141335170.html

But at least democracy is prospering in Idlib now...




Good work. Hopefully Mosul is next so we can turn that page soon.


Hearing the Mosul assault will happen simultaneously with one in Raqqa.
 
Hearing the Mosul assault will happen simultaneously with one in Raqqa.
That would definitely be the best option. ISIS are overstretched now and will offer much less resistance if they're attacked on multiple fronts simultaneously.
 
Who is in line to reach Raqqa first, the Russian-backed SAA or the US-backed SDF? And what happens if the latter 'liberate' it first?
 
Hearing the Mosul assault will happen simultaneously with one in Raqqa.
Why do they make things like that public? Surely they will prepare better for it.

Or is it not that simple.
 
Who is in line to reach Raqqa first, the Russian-backed SAA or the US-backed SDF? And what happens if the latter 'liberate' it first?
The SAA made big progress a couple of weeks ago (reaching Al-Tabaqa airport and getting dangerously close to Al-Raqqa), but ISIS managed to mount a massive surprise counter-attack and pushed the army back. The Kurds aren't on the verge of attacking it, but they're geographically much closer to it. The Kurds are also involved in fierce fighting with ISIS now in besieged Manbij trying to control it, while the SAA is involved in fierce fighting with ISIS on the Palmyra front, Al-Qaryatan front (both under SAA control but fighting to make further progress) and Eastern Hama.

I guess it depends on the progress both will make in the next couple of months, but the Kurds should have the advantage of being (much) closer to it. What will happen if they take it? They will definitely use it as a bargaining chip in the negotiations, but what will they do with it? Tough to predict now. Probably create US (and its allies) bases there?
 
Incredible that the IS Caliphate is now two years old, some of the predictions at the start of the thread appear way too optimistic in hindsight.
 
Incredible that the IS Caliphate is now two years old, some of the predictions at the start of the thread appear way too optimistic in hindsight.

The same was thought by many about the Taliban government and the Iranian revolution years back. People in the West tend to underestimate the strategic capabilities of Islamic fundamentalists. Partly because they wear beards and turbans, I guess.
 
The same was thought by many about the Taliban government and the Iranian revolution years back. People in the West tend to underestimate the strategic capabilities of Islamic fundamentalists. Partly because they wear beards and turbans, I guess.
Could it also be that these fundamentalists get significant funding as well as support from the locals?
 
Could it also be that these fundamentalists get significant funding as well as support from the locals?

Of course they do, though probably to different degrees. I guess some are more self-funded than others (ISIS for example), some are mainly proxies, and most are popular movements of some sort.

Not sure why you asked that as a reply to my post?
 
Of course they do, though probably to different degrees. I guess some are more self-funded than others (ISIS for example), some are mainly proxies, and most are popular movements of some sort.

Not sure why you asked that as a reply to my post?
Well, I thought you meant military abilities only with strategic abilities and I just wanted to add it's also because these guys get funding and support from the locals.
 
Well, I thought you meant military abilities only with strategic abilities and I just wanted to add it's also because these guys get funding and support from the locals.

Yes, I meant the general ability to analyse & make use of the opportunities they have, smart decision-making, and a certain knack for improvisation/innovation.

What you say is true, of course.
 
Incredible that the IS Caliphate is now two years old, some of the predictions at the start of the thread appear way too optimistic in hindsight.
Most of the delay was political. In Iraq there are more than enough forces to defeat ISIS quickly, and ISIS has all but collapsed. In Iraq they were annihilated, they lost Jurf Al-Sakhar, Diyala, Tikrit, Baiji, Ramadi, Hit and now Falluja to the Iraqi forces, in Syria they lost Palmyra, Mahin and Al-Qaryatayn to the SAA and they lost Kobani and the surrounding villages to the Kurds. They're losing from all directions now, and it shouldn't be too long now before they disappear from the map. Mosul and Raqqa to go...

The tables have turned. Who's fleeing now? Some more (great) footage from the Iraqi airstrikes targeting their fighters fleeing Fallujah...

 
Quite the turnaround from the Turks if true, especially considering they've just renewed ties with Israel.
 
Quite the turnaround from the Turks if true, especially considering they've just renewed ties with Israel.

Well lets face it, both Turkey and Russia are in desperate need of friends right now. Putin is attempting to make good with Europe and the US, which isn't quite working given the Europeans just decided to extend sanctions on Moscow.
 
Well, what do you know, that looks like the beginning of a beautiful friendship, as Bogie would say.


Ankara could let Russia use its Incirlik airbase to fight ISIS – Turkish FM.
https://www.rt.com/news/349413-turkey-russia-incirlik-airbase/
They also offered the family of the pilot compensation apparently (in the form of a house), which the family rejected.

However imo this, just like the ceasefire, is merely a ploy to change the current momentum and try to save Al-Nusra which is their main bet now.

Turkey, like Saudi Arabia, will never attack ISIS or help in the fight against them seriously. They merely try to trade meaningless contributions for greater concessions to help their other cards (Al-Nusra...).
 
They also offered the family of the pilot compensation apparently (in the form of a house), which the family rejected.

However imo this, just like the ceasefire, is merely a ploy to change the current momentum and try to save Al-Nusra which is their main bet now.

Turkey, like Saudi Arabia, will never attack ISIS or help in the fight against them seriously. They merely try to trade meaningless contributions for greater concessions to help their other cards (Al-Nusra...).

Don't know about Saudi Arabia but surely Turkey should be concerned with the non stop terrorist acts on its territory? I have no illusions about Erdogan but he can't be that stupid to think that he can afford to continue his secret dealings with the ISIS, right? The tourist industry has been hit hard by the recent attacks and political falling out with Russia, but now that Erdogan has kissed and made up with Putin, it may still not be enough if the current trend of the terrorist activity continues. Another major attack, especially if directed at foreigners (like in Tunisia some time ago) may have grave consequences in that respect.
 
@Danny1982
@Kaos

Hillary received an email titled "must read on composition of FSA"

NR: The regime and its supporters describe the opposition, especially the armed opposition, as Salafis, Jihadists, Muslim Brotherhood supporters, al-Qaeda and terrorists. This is not true, but it's worth noting that all the fighters I met - in the provinces of Horns, Idlib, Hama, Deraa and the Damascus suburbs - were Sunni Muslims, and most were pious. They fight for a multitude of reasons: for their friends, for their neighbourhoods, for their villages, for their province, for revenge, for self-defence, for dignity, for their brethren in other parts of the country who are also fighting. They do not read religious literature or listen to sermons. Their views on Islam are consistent with the general attitudes of Syrian Sunni society, which is conservative and religious. UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05794203 Date: 11/30/2015 Because there are many small groups in the armed opposition it is difficult to describe their ideology in general =- terms. The Salafi and Muslim Brotherhood ideologies are not important in Syria and do not play a significant role in the revolution. But most Syrian Sunnis taking part in the uprising are themselves devout. Many fighters were not religious before the uprising, but now pray and are inspired by Islam, which gives them a creed and a discourse. Many believe they will be martyred and go to paradise if they die. They are not fighting for Islam but they are inspired by it. Some drink alcohol, which is forbidden in Islam, and do not pray. And their brothers in arms do not force them to pray. While the resistance is becoming increasingly well-armed, some groups complain they don't have enough weapons Of the sheikhs who are important in the revolution, many are actually Sufis. I have met Sufi sheikhs who had established their own armed groups. Some fighters are also influenced by a general sense of Sunni identity, but others do not care about this. I encountered one armed Salafi group in Idlib. I also found some groups that indirectly receive financial assistance from Islamist exile groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, though this has seemingly not yet influenced their ideology. Some fighters are the sons or nephews of people who were jailed during the 1980s for alleged membership of the Muslim Brotherhood.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18588
 
@Danny1982
@Kaos

Hillary received an email titled "must read on composition of FSA"



https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18588
Come on, it's not 2012 anymore. It's 2016 and everybody knows the truth now (even the ones who don't want to admit it because of certain agendas). In fact, we're not only in position now to say that's clearly not the reality, we now actually know for a fact that the US actually knew this was bullsh*t even back in 2012, and in fact they also knew what would happen a couple of years later (ISIS). Here is what was written in 2012 in the US documents that were declassified in 2015.

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Here is the document in full:

https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-co...12-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

Notice also how they clearly point out the fact that Al-Qaeda was actually regressing in Iraq in 2009 and 2010, and it only risen because of the events in Syria (not as some tried to blame it over and over here on the "marginalisation of Sunnis by the Iraqi government").

I wonder what's in the sections that weren't declassified... So, who created ISIS again?
 
Come on, it's not 2012 anymore. It's 2016 and everybody knows the truth now (even the ones who don't want to admit it because of certain agendas). In fact, we're not only in position now to say that's clearly not the reality, we now actually know for a fact that the US actually knew this was bullsh*t even back in 2012, and in fact they also knew what would happen a couple of years later (ISIS). Here is what was written in 2012 in the US documents that were declassified in 2015.

ISIS1.jpg




ISIS-2.jpg



2h3u9g6.jpg



Here is the document in full:

https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-co...12-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

Notice also how they clearly point out the fact that Al-Qaeda was actually regressing in Iraq in 2009 and 2010, and it only risen because of the events in Syria (not as some tried to blame it over and over here on the "marginalisation of Sunnis by the Iraqi government").

I wonder what's in the sections that weren't declassified... So, who created ISIS again?

Sounds like the message above is a correct assessment of what could and did happen, which is completely independent from the behavior of the Maliki regime from when US troops left in 2011 to when he departed in 2014.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30681224
"....At the time, Prime Minister Nouri Maliki's sectarian-based policies were also seen to be the result of increasing Iranian influence, which allowed Baghdadi to position his restructured organisation as the vanguard of the Sunnis against the Shia-based regime in Baghdad".

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/a...ds-sunnis-on-their-treatment-in-malikis-iraq/

http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-10-...eatment-iraqi-sunnis-helped-isis-get-stronger
 
Don't know about Saudi Arabia but surely Turkey should be concerned with the non stop terrorist acts on its territory? I have no illusions about Erdogan but he can't be that stupid to think that he can afford to continue his secret dealings with the ISIS, right? The tourist industry has been hit hard by the recent attacks and political falling out with Russia, but now that Erdogan has kissed and made up with Putin, it may still not be enough if the current trend of the terrorist activity continues. Another major attack, especially if directed at foreigners (like in Tunisia some time ago) may have grave consequences in that respect.
Sorry just saw this.

Turkey, Saudi Arabia and even the US don't care about minor collateral damage, even in their nations. They only care about their political goals. Erdogan might not support ISIS directly now that they attacked Turkey as much as he did before, but he will never help seriously in the fight against ISIS, unless its his guys who are winning. And even if he sent a single aircraft to drop a single meaningless bomb on ISIS, he will ask for a lot of concessions in return to help Al-Nusra and the other extremist groups he supports, but he will never be serious about fighting ISIS, outside of Turkey.