ISIS in Iraq and Syria

I didn´t create a "bizarre" link between smart power and american exceptionalism. There is a pretty straightforward connection between US military interventionism and american exceptionalism.
I also never said, that interventionism is the problem. The problem is clueless MILITARY interventionism, but for americans both terms are probably equal. Hammer and nails. yada yada.

Additionally, the problem isn´t just the "execution" of those wars. That just shows the complete lack of knowledge about those conflicts. The problem is, that america doesn´t have a suitable solution for those countries. You can´t force them to be a liberal democracies. It simply doesn´t work. The only solution, that you have is the same solution that Russia is pursuing at the moment: Win a conventional war and back a local strongman, who is willing to be oppressive and brutal enough to neutralize any opposition.
 
I didn´t create a "bizarre" link between smart power and american exceptionalism. There is a pretty straightforward connection between US military interventionism and american exceptionalism.
I also never said, that interventionism is the problem. The problem is clueless MILITARY interventionism, but for americans both terms are probably equal. Hammer and nails. yada yada.

Additionally, the problem isn´t just the "execution" of those wars. That just shows the complete lack of knowledge about those conflicts. The problem is, that america doesn´t have a suitable solution for those countries. You can´t force them to be a liberal democracies. It simply doesn´t work. The only solution, that you have is the same solution that Russia is pursuing at the moment: Win a conventional war and back a local strongman, who is willing to be oppressive and brutal enough to neutralize any opposition.

That's not very realistic though is it because in the case of Syria, the opposition wouldn't go away if Assad somehow magically regained territorial control. There would still be an assymetrical insurgency and a civil war because the population will never go back to dictatorship, which is something that the pro-Assad crowd can't seem to come to grips with. Dictatorships are not sustainable in an increasingly Democratic world where states have to cooperate economically and otherwise, which is why the keep Assad and all middle eastern states must be dictatorships view is both morally and practically bankrupt.
 
Well, the pro Al-Nusra crowd can´t seem to come to grips with the fact, that the islamists and warlords won´t go away even if you remove Assad. So your best case scenario is, that you replace one dictatorship with another.
 
Well, the pro Al-Nusra crowd can´t seem to come to grips with the fact, that the islamists and warlords won´t go away even if you remove Assad. So your best case scenario is, that you replace one dictatorship with another.

Not if you have a proper international intervention with full UN backing, including Russia. You create humanitarian corridors for the population, give Assad a new country to retire, and bring in all reconcilable factions who are intereted in participating in peace talks and have a political voice in a new government. Start a military campaign to remove the irreconcilables whether ISIS, AQ, Nusra etc, then set up a roadmap towards drafting a new constitution and setting an election date. This is the only way the current cycle of violence will be completely stopped - when militants are removed and all factions interested in peace can then work together on a political solution. Indefinite dictatorship under Assad on the other hand is just a recipe for never ending cycles of violence, but then so is inaction. 5 years on and nothing has changed.
 
I don't think Danny or PedroMendez are her fans...
Indeed. They are in for a rude awakening when either her or Trump start unwinding Obama's hands off approach.
Obama's approach is not hands off. His approach is even worse than Bush. Obama is empowering and using terrorist organisations (again!) instead of the US army to achieve his political goals (which is far worse imo). Hilary will not be better (and she's even more in the pocket of the Saudis which obviously makes her worse). As for Trump, I don't think he knows what his strategy will be, but he won't win anyway, so why bother talking about him.
 
A crumbling Saudi state, desperately entangled in Yemen and Syria coupled to Hillary who's in their pockets makes for a disconcerting future.
 
Not if you have a proper international intervention with full UN backing, including Russia. You create humanitarian corridors for the population, give Assad a new country to retire, and bring in all reconcilable factions who are intereted in participating in peace talks and have a political voice in a new government. Start a military campaign to remove the irreconcilables whether ISIS, AQ, Nusra etc, then set up a roadmap towards drafting a new constitution and setting an election date. This is the only way the current cycle of violence will be completely stopped - when militants are removed and all factions interested in peace can then work together on a political solution. Indefinite dictatorship under Assad on the other hand is just a recipe for never ending cycles of violence, but then so is inaction. 5 years on and nothing has changed.

So you end up with a government with 1500 ministers? How do you mange that?
Your description matches almost perfectly to the Afghanistan and Iraq quagmire. How about you fix Iraq or Afghanistan and once you managed to do that, you have a legitimate blue-print that might apply to other countries. Until than you are just repeating useless and empty talking points.
Obviously nobody will be able to do that, because no politician has a clue about how to achieve the transition from military dictatorship in very fragmented and brutalised countries to liberal democracies via military intervention. It is a pipe dream and all evidence proves unambiguously that it doesn´t work. That is where american exceptionalism comes back into play. Sometimes you don´t need drugs to turn delusional. Misguided ideology can do the trick.
 
So you end up with a government with 1500 ministers? How do you mange that?
Your description matches almost perfectly to the Afghanistan and Iraq quagmire. How about you fix Iraq or Afghanistan and once you managed to do that, you have a legitimate blue-print that might apply to other countries. Until than you are just repeating useless and empty talking points.
Obviously nobody will be able to do that, because no politician has a clue about how to achieve the transition from military dictatorship in very fragmented and brutalised countries to liberal democracies via military intervention. It is a pipe dream and all evidence proves unambiguously that it doesn´t work. That is where american exceptionalism comes back into play. Sometimes you don´t need drugs to turn delusional. Misguided ideology can do the trick.

Just the regular amount of ministers will do. The key thing is to separate irreconcilable factions with reconcilable ones who are amenable to peace. I just gave you a foolproof way to get it done as long as there is full international backing. Its the only solution to stop the endless violence and certainly better than the do nothing approach many in here have advocated, which is done nothing but prolong the violence.
 
Not if you have a proper international intervention with full UN backing, including Russia. You create humanitarian corridors for the population, give Assad a new country to retire, and bring in all reconcilable factions who are intereted in participating in peace talks and have a political voice in a new government. Start a military campaign to remove the irreconcilables whether ISIS, AQ, Nusra etc, then set up a roadmap towards drafting a new constitution and setting an election date. This is the only way the current cycle of violence will be completely stopped - when militants are removed and all factions interested in peace can then work together on a political solution. Indefinite dictatorship under Assad on the other hand is just a recipe for never ending cycles of violence, but then so is inaction. 5 years on and nothing has changed.
- If this scenario is viable, then it would have worked in Iraq where the Saudi backed Wahhabi groups are much weaker than in Syria.

- Nobody has ever suggested on this forum "indefinite dictatorship under Assad". In fact the main problem in Syria is not Assad, but the collapse of the state and the army.

- The real problem in the middle East though is the indefinite terrorist-backing dictatorship in Saudi Arabia (supported directly by the US), which is making sure every dictator you topple gets replaced with Al-Qaeda like groups, or give them power and control over new areas. If you really wants democracy in the middle East, then that's where you should start. You can't fight Al-Qaeda unless you fight the source, and if you don't fight Al-Qaeda, it will inevitably replace the dictators you topple in the middle East.

Of course I'm talking pure fiction here. The US should first develop a backbone to dare investigate the death of thousands of their own citizens before we can talk about "seriously fighting Al-Qaeda".
 
A crumbling Saudi state, desperately entangled in Yemen and Syria coupled to Hillary who's in their pockets makes for a disconcerting future.
I would love to be proven wrong here by the way, but that's what I think.
 
- If this scenario is viable, then it would have worked in Iraq where the Saudi backed Wahhabi groups are much weaker than in Syria.

- Nobody has ever suggested on this forum "indefinite dictatorship under Assad". In fact the main problem in Syria is not Assad, but the collapse of the state and the army.

- The real problem in the middle East though is the indefinite terrorist-backing dictatorship in Saudi Arabia (supported directly by the US), which is making sure every dictator you topple gets replaced with Al-Qaeda like groups, or give them power and control over new areas. If you really wants democracy in the middle East, then that's where you should start. You can't fight Al-Qaeda unless you fight the source, and if you don't fight Al-Qaeda, it will inevitably replace the dictators you topple in the middle East.

Of course I'm talking pure fiction here. The US should first develop a backbone to dare investigate the death of thousands of their own citizens before we can talk about "seriously fighting Al-Qaeda".

Because it wasn't implemented in Iraq. The Iraq invasion, which was not a humanitarian intervention, was bungled because there was no coherent plan of what to do after Saddam was toppled. They thought it would be a victory parade and then on to Democracy, which is why neocons are morons who can't be trusted. There was nothing humanitarian about their intentions, it was just an act of post 9/11 fear and ignorance with no plan about dealing with the knock on effects, which we are still dealing with today. My proposal is a comprehensive, internationally supported plan designed to permanently end the cycles of violence we've been seeing for 5 years. Keeping Assad won't do it, not doing anything won't do it either. Only proactive action from a galvanized international peacekeeping force has a chance of being successful.
 
Just the regular amount of ministers will do. The key thing is to separate irreconcilable factions with reconcilable ones who are amenable to peace. I just gave you a foolproof way to get it done as long as there is full international backing. Its the only solution to stop the endless violence and certainly better than the do nothing approach many in here have advocated, which is done nothing but prolong the violence.

Didn´t you say once, that you worked for the government? Well, that would really explain a lot. :lol:
 
Didn´t you say once, that you worked for the government? Well, that would really explain a lot. :lol:

We're exchanging ideas about a potential solution here - where are yours ? As in, show us a viable and sustainable way to end the violence in Syria.
 
We're exchanging ideas about a potential solution here - where are yours ? As in, show us a viable and sustainable way to end the violence in Syria.

Yes, we are exchanging ideas. Despite my inappropriate use of smilies, my statement was actually quite serious. I´d call your ideas overly simplistic to the extend that they are completely detached from reality. I am not expecting long essays, but to call your "plan" foolproof is quite a thing. You just ignore everything that doesn´t fit into your agenda. If people in the administration actually follow similar logic, it would explain their willingness to rush into wars without any coherent long-term strategy or any awareness for all the problems, that they are going to face.


I also don´t have to come up with any solution. Doing something isn´t inevitably better than doing nothing. I don´t have a quick fix.
In reality there are three ways to progress now. Russia wins the war for Assad and they´ll own all the turmoil and unrest. The USA intervenes with high intensity and wins the war for the rebels. Under those circumstances the US owns all the following problems.The USA continues to intervene with low intensity and prolongs the civil war. The third option is by far the worst. The second option creates a a huge amount of problems, that the USA can´t solve. So that leaves you with option1. That is hardly ideal, but doesn´t justify to make things worse for the people in the region. Additionally contain ISIS, support the Kurds and give Turkey a big fat kick in the arse.


Furthermore I always suggest the same things, that might help in the long run.

1) A complete embargo of weapon exports to the region.
2) A change in the alliance system. Stop supporting dictators; stop supporting extremists; don´t give them political cover or weapons. Ban people like the Saudis or those other gulf monarchs from entering our societies (as long as they don´t actively support reform processes in their country)
3) stop your allies form spreading extremism or end the alliance
4) A change in attitude towards the region, because newsflash: The people don´t see you as liberator. They don´t think that you try to help them and they don´t think that your policy is benevolent. As long as your image is that terrible any intervention will turn nasty. Obviously that means, that the US has to face reality: There are very good reasons, why so many people are fairly suspicious of your foreign policy. If you are unable to address those legitimate concerns, anything else will be futile.
5) engage their societies with an open mind and strengthen civil society exchanges; foster economic cooperation.
6) deliver humanitarian aid and help them with technology.

there are various other things, but non of them are as flashy as charging into battle with the mechanised infantry. Non of them are quick-fixes, but your "fool-proofed" plan is nothing more than empty words. Despite all attempts the USA&Co failed to unify the rebels. Those who are not Islamic extremists are simply unwilling to fight for a common future beyond Assad. They are either powerless, fight for very selfish reasons or are unified by a terrible ideology. The last 25 years in Afghanistan should teach us one or two lessons. Using local warlords to reconquer a country doesn´t create stability.
 
Yes, we are exchanging ideas. Despite my inappropriate use of smilies, my statement was actually quite serious. I´d call your ideas overly simplistic to the extend that they are completely detached from reality. I am not expecting long essays, but to call your "plan" foolproof is quite a thing. You just ignore everything that doesn´t fit into your agenda. If people in the administration actually follow similar logic, it would explain their willingness to rush into wars without any coherent long-term strategy or any awareness for all the problems, that they are going to face.


I also don´t have to come up with any solution. Doing something isn´t inevitably better than doing nothing. I don´t have a quick fix.
In reality there are three ways to progress now. Russia wins the war for Assad and they´ll own all the turmoil and unrest. The USA intervenes with high intensity and wins the war for the rebels. Under those circumstances the US owns all the following problems.The USA continues to intervene with low intensity and prolongs the civil war. The third option is by far the worst. The second option creates a a huge amount of problems, that the USA can´t solve. So that leaves you with option1. That is hardly ideal, but doesn´t justify to make things worse for the people in the region. Additionally contain ISIS, support the Kurds and give Turkey a big fat kick in the arse.


Furthermore I always suggest the same things, that might help in the long run.

1) A complete embargo of weapon exports to the region.
2) A change in the alliance system. Stop supporting dictators; stop supporting extremists; don´t give them political cover or weapons. Ban people like the Saudis or those other gulf monarchs from entering our societies (as long as they don´t actively support reform processes in their country)
3) stop your allies form spreading extremism or end the alliance
4) A change in attitude towards the region, because newsflash: The people don´t see you as liberator. They don´t think that you try to help them and they don´t think that your policy is benevolent. As long as your image is that terrible any intervention will turn nasty. Obviously that means, that the US has to face reality: There are very good reasons, why so many people are fairly suspicious of your foreign policy. If you are unable to address those legitimate concerns, anything else will be futile.
5) engage their societies with an open mind and strengthen civil society exchanges; foster economic cooperation.
6) deliver humanitarian aid and help them with technology.

there are various other things, but non of them are as flashy as charging into battle with the mechanised infantry. Non of them are quick-fixes, but your "fool-proofed" plan is nothing more than empty words. Despite all attempts the USA&Co failed to unify the rebels. Those who are not Islamic extremists are simply unwilling to fight for a common future beyond Assad. They are either powerless, fight for very selfish reasons or are unified by a terrible ideology. The last 25 years in Afghanistan should teach us one or two lessons. Using local warlords to reconquer a country doesn´t create stability.

Ok, what I meant was, what are your specific sustainable proposals for ending the Syrian civil war. What is your objective, end state, and specific policy proposals on how to get through the entire life cycle.

1. We can agree that a weapons embargo may be a good thing, but there are already plenty of weapons there and with an open border with Iraq and Turkey, it is next to impossible to do that without regional and UN participation. How would you propose sealing off the Turkish and Iraqi borders from Syrian land ?

2. Should we extend this stop supporting dictators to Russia and Iran as well ? Last time I checked there are thousands of Russian and Iranian Quds Force troops operating inside Syria, whereas I haven't see much of the Saudi military with boots on the ground. I'm sure we can therefore agree that the removal of troops from other dictatorships would be a good first step, which could potentially be replaced by UN peacekeepers instead.

3. Agreed.

4. I agree - the world needs to view conflict zones as humanitarian catastrophes and take apporpriate action through the UN's Responsibility to Protect policy. Additionally, we should stop promoting this idea that middle eastern states are doomed to eternal dictatorship and that many if not most people there would like a greater say in how their lives are governed (aka Democracy).

5. Agreed.

6. Agreed too.

Some good points in there. The question then becomes, how do you stop the current cycles of violence within Syria in order to make some of the things you said a reality ? If we do nothing, the violence will continue, even if Putin bombs Assad back into relevance, there will continue to be an insurgency and a civil war. The US under Obama clearly doesn't have the appetite to get involved in any greater capacity. So in effect, none of the things you or I will ever be implemented in the absence of a comprehensive plan to do all of the things I said in my earlier post. With out that, we can revisit this thread once a year every year and still find ourselves at square one.
 
Well, the pro Al-Nusra crowd can´t seem to come to grips with the fact, that the islamists and warlords won´t go away even if you remove Assad. So your best case scenario is, that you replace one dictatorship with another.

So why the hostility to the Saudi monarchy if the only choice is to support the strong man in Syria then why not apply the same rule there?

Isn't the truth here that the time of the strong men is over and no country is successfully governable over the long term without a measure of consent. The US Russia,China, the UN are all struggling to cope because the world changed and no one knows what to do about it.
 
@Raoul

My suggestions "might help in the long run" and you have to start at some point. Once you are so deep down the rabbit-hole, there are no good choices left. I´d love it to be different, but it isn´t. Your suggestion of a comprehensive plan sounds great, but has nothing to do with reality. Assad would be long gone, if the opposition wouldn´t be a huge mess. They are radicalised and very fragmented and you can´t ignore these issues. The US + Jordan desperately tried to unite the souther front - a group of militias that are fairly "un-ideological". It failed. You ended up with an infinite amount of militias that have really just one thing in common: Get rid of Assad. That is great for now, but a huge problem going forward. When NATO invaded Afghanistan with the Northern Alliance, we ended up empowering people like Rashid Dostum, who is probably one of the worst human beings alive. And while Dostum is extreme even for his kind, the underlying problem should be fairly obvious.

I don´t even know why you are coming up with the R2P now. Have you actually read and understood it? Sometimes I get the feeling that you bring up concepts in the hope, that I am not well informed about those things so I can´t object. Inter alia I have a master in political science and those a are second semester issues.
Ignoring that it is a useless concept with ambiguous formulation, that doesn´t help to solve any concrete crisis: Once you start using it to support an argument, you can´t just pick an chose the two lines that you like. How about reasonable prospects? How about right intentions? How about legitimate authority? How about all the other things that should have been done during the last 5 years that should happen before you use military force?

I also never subscribed to the idea, that any region has to be governed by dictators. Yet at the same time this is not a hostage-crisis situation. Introducing liberal-western-style democracy by the sword is not the solution, because those countries have a billion different problems that make the immediate transformation unfeasible. Democracy itself also doesn´t solve those problems. Democracy without the "liberal" part is more or less useless and you can´t force certain values onto people. One reality is, that in the middle east boarders don´t necessarily match (national) identity, which is a huge problem. Overall many countries in the region are very young with a very short and troubled history of national identity. And while it would be brilliant to change the hearts and minds of the people so we end up with 191 nation-states, that is sadly not realistic. In some cases you might find power sharing agreements, but it is much more likely that boarders change or the people who live in the "wrong" part are getting push out. Syrians are truly fecked. Providing enough humanitarian aid to all those refugees would be a great first step and it is shameful, that those overcrowded camps are still underfunded.


So why the hostility to the Saudi monarchy if the only choice is to support the strong man in Syria then why not apply the same rule there?

Isn't the truth here that the time of the strong men is over and no country is successfully governable over the long term without a measure of consent. The US Russia,China, the UN are all struggling to cope because the world changed and no one knows what to do about it.

I think you missed the context. It was a fairly snarky and sarcastic reply to Raoul. I´d never ever support any military intervention against the Saudis and I don´t think that supporting a strongman in Syria is the only choice. Before I´d do that I´d probably just do nothing, which is also an option.
 
Kurdish-led SDF launches offensive on Syria's Raqqa
US-backed coalition of armed groups aims to oust ISIL from its de facto capital of Raqqa.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/syria-raqqa-sdf-160524134816769.html

Kurdish-led forces have massed thousands of fighters as part of a military offensive to take over Raqqa, the northern Syrian city controlled by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as ISIS) group for more than two and a half years.

The Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), a US-backed coalition of armed groups led by the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG), said it has mobilised thousands of fighters in the countryside north of Raqqa.Fighting was reportedly ongoing on Tuesday near Ain Issa, situated 55km from the ISIL-controlled city. SDF released a statement declaring its goal of "liberating" Raqqa from ISIL, which has ruled the town with an iron fist, committing atrocities against the civilian population.

The US-led coalition against ISIL was supporting the offensive, spokesman Steve Warren said. "We have always been focused on evicting ISIS from Raqqa and we will continue to support the SDF as they conduct ground operations to further isolate the city," the colonel said. "The US-led coalition will continue to provide air support for SDF operations against ISIS."

The coalition, as well as Syrian government forces and their ally, Russia, have launched air strikes on Raqqa since it was captured by ISIL during its advance through Syria and Iraq in 2014. Joshua Walker of the German Marshall Fund said the timing of the Kurdish-led ground offensive was very important. "It seems clear to me that this is a case in which the US is trying to communicate very symbolically and very clearly that ISIS is on its back foot," he told Al Jazeera..

"Raqqa could be the beginning of the end for the group...From a symbolic point of view I think this is the most important offensive we have seen since
Kobane last year."

The offensive comes as Iraqi forces are trying to oust ISIL
from Fallujah, west of Baghdad. However, Al Jazeera's Stefanie Dekker, reporting from Gaziantep in Turkey, said the SDF's mission to take Raqqa will be difficult considering ISIL's fighting force. She explained that the presence of Arab fighters in the SDF's ranks is crucial to the success of the offensive because the areas they will attempt to take over have large Arab populations.

"It is crucial to have enough Arab fighters in this force when [they] take these areas where a lot of Arab, non-Kurds live," she said. "Because there is a lot of suspicion of the Kurds, it's incredibly difficult; which is why it's taken so long to start this."

Writing on Twitter, Syria analyst Charles Lister said ISIL may launch retaliatory attacks in Kurdish-held areas. Russia on Tuesday reiterated that it was ready to coordinate with US and Kurdish forces in the battle for Raqqa. "Raqqa is one of the aims of the anti-terrorist coalition, just like Iraq’s Mosul," Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said. "We are confident that these cities could have been liberated more effectively and faster if our military officials would have started coordinating their actions much earlier."

On Monday, ISIL suicide bombers struck in several areas of
Tartus and Jableh, government-held cities on Syria's coastline, killing at least 150 civilians.

Syria's conflict started with mostly unarmed demonstrations against President Bashar al-Assad in March 2011. It has since evolved into a full-on civil war that has killed at least 270,000 people, according to the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. Staffan de Mistura, the United Nations special envoy to Syria, estimated last month that the actual death toll could be as high as 400,000 people.
 
Kurdish-led SDF launches offensive on Syria's Raqqa
US-backed coalition of armed groups aims to oust ISIL from its de facto capital of Raqqa.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/syria-raqqa-sdf-160524134816769.html

Kurdish-led forces have massed thousands of fighters as part of a military offensive to take over Raqqa, the northern Syrian city controlled by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as ISIS) group for more than two and a half years.

The Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), a US-backed coalition of armed groups led by the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG), said it has mobilised thousands of fighters in the countryside north of Raqqa.Fighting was reportedly ongoing on Tuesday near Ain Issa, situated 55km from the ISIL-controlled city. SDF released a statement declaring its goal of "liberating" Raqqa from ISIL, which has ruled the town with an iron fist, committing atrocities against the civilian population.

The US-led coalition against ISIL was supporting the offensive, spokesman Steve Warren said. "We have always been focused on evicting ISIS from Raqqa and we will continue to support the SDF as they conduct ground operations to further isolate the city," the colonel said. "The US-led coalition will continue to provide air support for SDF operations against ISIS."

The coalition, as well as Syrian government forces and their ally, Russia, have launched air strikes on Raqqa since it was captured by ISIL during its advance through Syria and Iraq in 2014. Joshua Walker of the German Marshall Fund said the timing of the Kurdish-led ground offensive was very important. "It seems clear to me that this is a case in which the US is trying to communicate very symbolically and very clearly that ISIS is on its back foot," he told Al Jazeera..

"Raqqa could be the beginning of the end for the group...From a symbolic point of view I think this is the most important offensive we have seen since
Kobane last year."

The offensive comes as Iraqi forces are trying to oust ISIL
from Fallujah, west of Baghdad. However, Al Jazeera's Stefanie Dekker, reporting from Gaziantep in Turkey, said the SDF's mission to take Raqqa will be difficult considering ISIL's fighting force. She explained that the presence of Arab fighters in the SDF's ranks is crucial to the success of the offensive because the areas they will attempt to take over have large Arab populations.

"It is crucial to have enough Arab fighters in this force when [they] take these areas where a lot of Arab, non-Kurds live," she said. "Because there is a lot of suspicion of the Kurds, it's incredibly difficult; which is why it's taken so long to start this."

Writing on Twitter, Syria analyst Charles Lister said ISIL may launch retaliatory attacks in Kurdish-held areas. Russia on Tuesday reiterated that it was ready to coordinate with US and Kurdish forces in the battle for Raqqa. "Raqqa is one of the aims of the anti-terrorist coalition, just like Iraq’s Mosul," Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said. "We are confident that these cities could have been liberated more effectively and faster if our military officials would have started coordinating their actions much earlier."

On Monday, ISIL suicide bombers struck in several areas of
Tartus and Jableh, government-held cities on Syria's coastline, killing at least 150 civilians.

Syria's conflict started with mostly unarmed demonstrations against President Bashar al-Assad in March 2011. It has since evolved into a full-on civil war that has killed at least 270,000 people, according to the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. Staffan de Mistura, the United Nations special envoy to Syria, estimated last month that the actual death toll could be as high as 400,000 people.


I'd imagine it will all come to a head this year - Raqqa, Fallujah, then Mosul. The latter will likely be the bloodiest and most protracted.
 
Syria: '100,000 trapped' near Turkey as ISIL advances.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/syria-azaz-160527143745630.html

More than 100,000 Syrians were trapped near the Turkish border as fighters from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group advanced on two strategically-vital towns.

Doctors Without Borders (MSF) evacuated most of its staff and patients from al-Salamah hospital - the organisation's largest facility in the country - near the town of Azaz in Aleppo province on Friday as ISIL neared.

"We are terribly concerned about the fate of our hospital and our patients, and about the estimated 100,000 people trapped between the Turkish border and active frontlines," Pablo Marco, MSF operations manager for the Middle East, said in a statement.

"For some months, the frontline has been around seven kilometres away from the hospital. Now it is only three kilometres from al-Salamah town. There is nowhere for people to flee to as the fighting gets closer."

ISIL, also known as ISIS, has cut off a key road between rebel-held Azaz, close to the Turkish border, and nearby Marea, journalist Maamoun Khateeb told the AFP news agency from Azaz.

ISIL gains territory near Turkish border


"This is a disaster," Khateeb said, adding that some 15,000 people were now besieged in Marea.

Turkey has closed its border to all but seriously wounded Syrians.

Marea and Azaz fell to opposition forces in 2012 and have been vital stops along a rebel supply route from Turkey.

ISIL has tried to advance on the towns for months. In a statement on Friday, it said it had launched a "surprise attack" and seized a series of villages near Azaz.

Patchwork of territories
Also on Friday, a government bombardment on rebel-controlled areas in Aleppo province left at least 15 people dead, rescue workers told AFP.

At least two people were killed in barrel bomb attacks on an opposition-controlled eastern district of Aleppo city, a civil defence group known as the White Helmets said.

Air strikes also killed nine people in the town of Hreitan and four in Kfra Hamra.

Since fighting intensified there in 2012, Aleppo province has been transformed into a patchwork of territories held by the government, rebels, Kurds and other fighters.

Gerry Simpson, a researcher at Human Rights Watch, said Turkey should open the border and allow safe passage to those fleeing the ISIL offensive.

"The fact Turkey is generously hosting more than 2.5 million Syrians does not give it a right to shut its border to other endangered Syrians," he wrote in a HRW statementon Friday.

Staffan de Mistura, UN special envoy for Syria, has estimated that more than 400,000 have been killed in the five-year war. The UN stopped keeping an official count in 2014.

More than 4.8 million Syrians have become refugees in neighbouring countries - Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey and Iraq - as well as Europe, according to the UNHCR. At least 7.6 million Syrians have been forced from their homes within the country's borders.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-asks-russia-hit-nusra-front-syria-moscow-39591833

Russia's foreign minister said Washington has asked Moscow not to target the al-Qaida's branch in Syria, the Nusra Front, but the U.S. insisted Friday that it only wants Russia to carefully select it targets to avoid hitting civilians and legitimate opposition groups.

Sergey Lavrov said that Russia has long insisted that the moderate, U.S.-backed opposition groups should leave the areas occupied by Nusra. He said in televised remarks that Russia and the U.S. have engaged in close dialogue on how to secure a cease-fire in Syria, but added that fighting the Islamic State group and Nusra should be a top priority.

"They are telling us not to hit it (Nusra), because there is 'normal' opposition next .. to it," Lavrov said. "But that opposition must leave terrorists' positions, we long have agreed on that."

In Paris, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry told reporters that he discussed the upsurge of violence in Syria in Friday's telephone conversation with Lavrov.

Kerry said the two talked for an hour and worked specifically on "ways to try to strengthen the enforcement and accountability for this cessation. We have good ideas but we're not there yet."

U.S. State Department spokesman Mark Toner, speaking to reporters in Washington, said that Kerry had emphasized the need for Russia to carefully distinguish between the IS and Nusra and legitimate opposition units.

"This is a common refrain, common theme that we've been conveying to the Russians over the past weeks," Toner said. "We obviously all agree that ISIL and the Nusra Front pose a real threat to the security on the ground in Syria."

At the same time, Toner noted that strikes against legitimate opposition forces and civilians only make people "more supportive of these terrorist groups and that is a dynamic we've seen play out in Syria for years now because of the regime's actions."

"Of course we support strikes focused solely on either Daesh or Al Nusra," he said. "But that a greater effort, a more complete effort needs to be made in order to distinguish between Al Nusra and the parties to the cessation."

Russia first set a deadline for Syrian opposition units to withdraw from areas occupied by Nusra, but then agreed to give them more time to pull out.

Despite a Russia- and U.S.-brokered truce in Syria that began on Feb .27, fighting has continued to rage in many areas, particularly around the city of Aleppo, trapping civilians in the cross-fire between government and opposition forces.

On Thursday, the Russian military flew one of the victims, 11-year old Sidra Zaarur, who lost both legs in the shelling of Aleppo in April for treatment in Moscow.
 
I think he, like Osama, would be someone the US would want to, uh, address directly if at all possible. Much easier to confirm his death from bullets than from a drone. Regardless, hopefully his days will be very few.
 
A very interesting take on what's going on in Syria.


The Slow Death of the Syria Cease-Fire Brings a Hybrid War With Russia Closer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/syria-cease-fire-russia_b_10510126.html

BEIRUT — Gradually, the mist of ambiguity and confusion hanging over Syria is lifting a little. The landscape is sharpening into focus. With this improved visibility, we can view a little more clearly the course of action being prepared by Iran, Russia and the Syrian government.

Russia is emerging from an internal debate over whether the U.S. is truly interested in an entente or only in bloodying Russia’s nose. And what do we see? Skepticism. Russia is skeptical that NATO’s new missile shield in Poland and Romania, plus military exercises right up near its border, are purely defensive actions.

Iran, meanwhile, is studying the entrails of the nuclear agreement. As one well-informed commentator put it to me, Iran is “coldly lethal” at the gloating in the U.S. at having “put one over” Iran. Because, while Iran has duly taken actions that preclude it from weaponizing its nuclear program, it will not now gain the financial normalization that it had expected under the agreement.

It’s not a question of slow implementation — I’ve heard directly from banks in Europe that they’ve been visited by U.S. Treasury officials and warned in clear terms that any substantive trade cooperation with Iran is closed off. Iran is not being integrated into the financial system. U.S. sanctions remain in place, the Europeans have been told, and the U.S. will implement fines against those who contravene these sanctions. Financial institutions are fearful, particularly given the size of the fines that have been imposed — almost $9 billion for the French bank BNP a year ago.

In principle, sanctions have been lifted. But in practice, even though its sales of crude are reaching pre-sanctions levels, Iran has found that, financially, it remains substantially hobbled. America apparently achieved a double success: It circumscribed Iran’s nuclear program, and the U.S. Treasury has hollowed out the nuclear agreement’s financial quid pro quo, thus limiting Iran’s potential financial empowerment, which America’s Gulf allies so feared.

Some Iranian leaders feel cheated; some are livid. Others simply opine that the U.S. should never have been trusted in the first place.

And Damascus? It never believed that the recent cease-fire would be a genuine cessation of hostilities, and many ordinary Syrians now concur with their government, seeing it as just another American ruse. They are urging their government to get on with it — to liberate Aleppo. “Just do it” is the message for the Syrian government that I’ve heard on the streets. A sense of the West being deceitful is exacerbated by reports of American, German, French and possibly Belgian special forces establishing themselves in northern Syria.

All this infringement of Syrian sovereignty does not really seem temporary but rather the opposite: there are shades of Afghanistan, with all the “temporary” NATO bases. In any case, it is no exaggeration to say that skepticism about Western motives is in the air — especially after Ashton Carter, the U.S. defense secretary, raised the possibility of NATO entering the fray.

As Pat Lang, a former U.S. defense intelligence officer, wrote last week:

"The Russians evidently thought they could make an honest deal with [U.S. Secretary of State John] Kerry [and President] Obama. Well, they were wrong. The U.S. supported jihadis associated with [Jabhat al-Nusra, al Qaeda’s Syria wing] ... merely ‘pocketed’ the truce as an opportunity to re-fit, re-supply and re-position forces. The U.S. must have been complicit in this ruse. Perhaps the Russians have learned from this experience."

Lang goes on to note that during the “truce,” “the Turks, presumably with the agreement of the U.S., brought 6,000 men north out of [Syria via the] Turkish border ... They trucked them around, and brought them through Hatay Province in Turkey to be sent back into Aleppo Province and to the city of Aleppo itself.” Reports in Russian media indicate that Nusra jihadists, who have continued to shell Syrian government forces during the “truce,” are being commanded directly by Turkish military advisers. And meanwhile, the U.S. supplied the opposition with about 3,000 tons of weapons during the cease-fire, according to I.H.S. Jane’s, a security research firm.

In brief, the cease-fire has failed. It was not observed. The U.S. made no real effortto separate the moderates from Nusra around Aleppo (as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has affirmed). Instead, the U.S. reportedly sought Nusra’s exemption from any Russian or Syrian attack. It reminds one of that old joke: “Oh Lord, preserve me from sin — but not just yet!” Or in other words, “preserve us from these dreadful jihadist terrorists, but not just yet, for Nusra is too useful a tool to lose.”

The cease-fire did not hasten any political solution, and Russia’s allies — Iran and Hezbollah — have already paid and will continue to pay a heavy price in terms of casualties for halting their momentum toward Aleppo. The opposition now has renewed vigor — and weapons.

It is hard to see the cease-fire holding value for Moscow much longer. The original Russian intention was to try to compel American cooperation, firstly in the war against jihadism and, more generally, to compel the U.S. and Europe to acknowledge that their own security interests intersect directly with those of Moscow and that this intersection plainly calls for partnership rather than confrontation.

The present situation in Syria neither facilitates this bigger objective nor the secondary one of defeating radical jihadism. Rather, it has led to calls in Russia for a less conciliatory approach to the U.S. and for the Kremlin to acknowledge that far from preparing for partnership, NATO is gearing up for a hybrid war against Russia.
 
Continues here.

It is also hard to see the cease-fire holding any continuing value for Tehran either. While the Iran nuclear agreement seemed to hold out the promise of bringing Iran back into the global financial system, such expectations seem now to be withering on the vine. As a result, Iran is likely to feel released from self-imposed limitations of their engagement in Syria and in other parts of the Middle East. Damascus, meanwhile, only very reluctantly agreed to leave its citizens in Aleppo in some semi-frozen limbo. Iran and Hezbollah were equally dubious.

All this suggests renewed military escalation this summer. Russian President Vladimir Putin will probably not wish to act before the European summit at the end of June. And neither would he wish Russia to figure largely as an issue in the U.S. presidential election. Yet he cannot ignore the pressures from those within Russia who insist that America is planning a hybrid war for which Russia is unprepared.

The Russia commentator Eric Zuesse encapsulated some of these concerns, writingthat “actions speak louder than words.” Earlier this month, he notes, the U.S. refused to discuss with Russia its missile defense program:

Russia’s concern is that, if the ‘Ballistic Missile Defense’ or ‘Anti Ballistic Missile’ system, that the U.S. is now just starting to install on and near Russia’s borders, works, then the U.S. will be able to launch a surprise nuclear attack against Russia, and this system, which has been in development for decades and is technically called the ‘Aegis Ashore Missile Defense System,’ will annihilate the missiles that Russia launches in retaliation, which will then leave the Russian population with no retaliation at all.

Zuesse goes on to argue that the U.S. seems to be pursuing a new nuclear strategy, one that was put forward in 2006 in a Foreign Affairs article headlined “The Rise of Nuclear Primacy,” and scrapping the earlier policy of “mutually assured destruction.” The new strategy, Zuesse writes, argues “for a much bolder U.S. strategic policy against Russia, based upon what it argued was America’s technological superiority against Russia’s weaponry — and a possibly limited time-window in which to take advantage of it — before Russia catches up and the opportunity to do so is gone."

So, what is going on here? Does the U.S. administration not see that pulling Russia into a debilitating Syrian quagmire by playing clever with a cease-fire that allows the insurgency to get the wind back in its sails is almost certain to lead to Russia and Iran increasing their military engagement? There is talk both in Russia and Iran of the need for a military surge to try to break the back of the conflict. Does the U.S. see that ultimately such a strategy might further entangle it — just as much as Russia and Iran — in the conflict? Does it understand Saudi Arabia’s intent to double down in Syria and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s political interest in continuing the Syrian crisis? Does it judge these very real dangers accurately?

No, I think not: the political calculus is different. More likely, the explanation relates to the presidential election campaign in the U.S. The Democratic Party, in brief, is striving to steal the Republican Party’s clothes. The latter holds the mantle of being credited as the safer pair of hands of the two, as far as America’s security is concerned. This has been a longstanding potential weakness for the Democrats, only too readily exploited by its electoral opponents. Now, perhaps the opportunity is there to steal this mantle from the Republicans.

All this hawkishness — the American shrug of the shoulders at making Iran feel cheated over the nuclear agreement; at Russia, Iran and Damascus seething that the Syria cease-fire was no more than a clever trap to halt their military momentum; at the psychological impact of NATO exercising on Russia’s borders; at the possible consequences to Obama’s refusal to discuss the ballistic defense system — all this is more likely about showing Democrat toughness and savvy in contrast to Donald Trump.

In short, the Democrats see the opportunity to cast themselves as tough and reliable and to transform foreign policy into an asset rather than their Achilles’ heel.

But if all this bullheadedness is nothing more than the Democratic Party espying an apparent weakness in the Trump campaign, is this foreign policy posturing meaningful? The answer is that it is not meaningless; it carries grave risks. Ostensibly this posture may appear clever in a domestic campaigning context, where Russia is widely viewed in a negative light. But externally, if the Syrian cease-fire comes to be viewed as nothing more than a cynical ploy by the U.S. to drag Russia deeper into the Syrian quagmire in order to cut Putin down to size, then what will likely follow is escalation. Hot months ahead in Syria. Russia will gradually reenter the conflict, and Iran and Iraq will likely increase their involvement as well.

There are those in the U.S., Turkey and the Gulf who would welcome such a heightened crisis, hoping that it would become so compellingly serious that no incoming U.S. president, of either hue, could avoid the call to do something upon taking office. In this way, the U.S. could find itself dragged into the maw of another unwinnable Middle Eastern war.

We should try to understand the wider dangers better, too. Baiting Russia, under the problematic rubric of countering Russian “aggression,” is very much in fashion now. But in Russia, there is an influential and substantial faction that has come to believe that the West is planning a devastating hybrid military and economic war against it. If this is not so, why is the West so intent on pushing Russia tight up into a corner? Simply to teach it deference? Psychologists warn us against such strategies, and Russia finally is reconfiguring its army (and more hesitantly, its economy) precisely to fight for its corner.

As another noted Russia commentator, John Helmer, noted on his blog on May 30, the new NATO missile installations in Eastern Europe “are hostile acts, just short of casus belli — a cause of war.” According to Reuters, Putin warned that Romania might soon “be in the cross hairs” — the new NATO missile installations there will force Russia “to carry out certain measures to ensure our security.”

“It will be the same case with Poland,” Putin added.

Did you hear that sound? That was the ratchet of war, which has just clicked up a slot — or two."
 
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Is the US not opening financial markets to Iran due to gulf allies or are there other explanations as well?
 
A very interesting take on what's going on in Syria.


The Slow Death of the Syria Cease-Fire Brings a Hybrid War With Russia Closer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/syria-cease-fire-russia_b_10510126.html

BEIRUT — Gradually, the mist of ambiguity and confusion hanging over Syria is lifting a little. The landscape is sharpening into focus. With this improved visibility, we can view a little more clearly the course of action being prepared by Iran, Russia and the Syrian government.

Russia is emerging from an internal debate over whether the U.S. is truly interested in an entente or only in bloodying Russia’s nose. And what do we see? Skepticism. Russia is skeptical that NATO’s new missile shield in Poland and Romania, plus military exercises right up near its border, are purely defensive actions.

Iran, meanwhile, is studying the entrails of the nuclear agreement. As one well-informed commentator put it to me, Iran is “coldly lethal” at the gloating in the U.S. at having “put one over” Iran. Because, while Iran has duly taken actions that preclude it from weaponizing its nuclear program, it will not now gain the financial normalization that it had expected under the agreement.

It’s not a question of slow implementation — I’ve heard directly from banks in Europe that they’ve been visited by U.S. Treasury officials and warned in clear terms that any substantive trade cooperation with Iran is closed off. Iran is not being integrated into the financial system. U.S. sanctions remain in place, the Europeans have been told, and the U.S. will implement fines against those who contravene these sanctions. Financial institutions are fearful, particularly given the size of the fines that have been imposed — almost $9 billion for the French bank BNP a year ago.

In principle, sanctions have been lifted. But in practice, even though its sales of crude are reaching pre-sanctions levels, Iran has found that, financially, it remains substantially hobbled. America apparently achieved a double success: It circumscribed Iran’s nuclear program, and the U.S. Treasury has hollowed out the nuclear agreement’s financial quid pro quo, thus limiting Iran’s potential financial empowerment, which America’s Gulf allies so feared.

Some Iranian leaders feel cheated; some are livid. Others simply opine that the U.S. should never have been trusted in the first place.

And Damascus? It never believed that the recent cease-fire would be a genuine cessation of hostilities, and many ordinary Syrians now concur with their government, seeing it as just another American ruse. They are urging their government to get on with it — to liberate Aleppo. “Just do it” is the message for the Syrian government that I’ve heard on the streets. A sense of the West being deceitful is exacerbated by reports of American, German, French and possibly Belgian special forces establishing themselves in northern Syria.

All this infringement of Syrian sovereignty does not really seem temporary but rather the opposite: there are shades of Afghanistan, with all the “temporary” NATO bases. In any case, it is no exaggeration to say that skepticism about Western motives is in the air — especially after Ashton Carter, the U.S. defense secretary, raised the possibility of NATO entering the fray.

As Pat Lang, a former U.S. defense intelligence officer, wrote last week:

"The Russians evidently thought they could make an honest deal with [U.S. Secretary of State John] Kerry [and President] Obama. Well, they were wrong. The U.S. supported jihadis associated with [Jabhat al-Nusra, al Qaeda’s Syria wing] ... merely ‘pocketed’ the truce as an opportunity to re-fit, re-supply and re-position forces. The U.S. must have been complicit in this ruse. Perhaps the Russians have learned from this experience."

Lang goes on to note that during the “truce,” “the Turks, presumably with the agreement of the U.S., brought 6,000 men north out of [Syria via the] Turkish border ... They trucked them around, and brought them through Hatay Province in Turkey to be sent back into Aleppo Province and to the city of Aleppo itself.” Reports in Russian media indicate that Nusra jihadists, who have continued to shell Syrian government forces during the “truce,” are being commanded directly by Turkish military advisers. And meanwhile, the U.S. supplied the opposition with about 3,000 tons of weapons during the cease-fire, according to I.H.S. Jane’s, a security research firm.

In brief, the cease-fire has failed. It was not observed. The U.S. made no real effortto separate the moderates from Nusra around Aleppo (as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has affirmed). Instead, the U.S. reportedly sought Nusra’s exemption from any Russian or Syrian attack. It reminds one of that old joke: “Oh Lord, preserve me from sin — but not just yet!” Or in other words, “preserve us from these dreadful jihadist terrorists, but not just yet, for Nusra is too useful a tool to lose.”

The cease-fire did not hasten any political solution, and Russia’s allies — Iran and Hezbollah — have already paid and will continue to pay a heavy price in terms of casualties for halting their momentum toward Aleppo. The opposition now has renewed vigor — and weapons.

It is hard to see the cease-fire holding value for Moscow much longer. The original Russian intention was to try to compel American cooperation, firstly in the war against jihadism and, more generally, to compel the U.S. and Europe to acknowledge that their own security interests intersect directly with those of Moscow and that this intersection plainly calls for partnership rather than confrontation.

The present situation in Syria neither facilitates this bigger objective nor the secondary one of defeating radical jihadism. Rather, it has led to calls in Russia for a less conciliatory approach to the U.S. and for the Kremlin to acknowledge that far from preparing for partnership, NATO is gearing up for a hybrid war against Russia.


Interesting that he lays all the blame at the feet of the US and NATO while the Russians and Syrians have continued to cluster bomb Aleppo and various other parts of Syria during the ceasefire. As for the parts about the NATO response to Russian aggression, which he puts in scare quotes, Russia literally invaded and stole a part of another country (after guaranteeing its sovereignty and security to give up nuclear weapons) because it wanted closer ties with the EU. What is that if not aggression?
 
Is the US not opening financial markets to Iran due to gulf allies or are there other explanations as well?

The US have non-nuclear-related sanctions on Iran that haven't been removed regarding human rights, terrorism, etc.

Edit: And ballistic missile tests/development.
 
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The US have non-nuclear-related sanctions on Iran that haven't been removed regarding human rights, terrorism, etc.

Of course, its human rights and terrorism.

That explains why the markets are closed to the Saudis too...oh wait.