Always sooo dramatic… UEFA will never ban Real Madrid, they could but wouldn’t ban Barcelona, they would happily ban Juventus but Agnelli is done and dusted and Elkann does not give a sh*t about these scrimmages.
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Always sooo dramatic… UEFA will never ban Real Madrid, they could but wouldn’t ban Barcelona, they would happily ban Juventus but Agnelli is done and dusted and Elkann does not give a sh*t about these scrimmages.
What the lawyer says is "the super league is free to create its own independent football competition outside the UEFA ecosystem and cannot continue to participate in UEFA competitions if UEFA does not authorise it".
It does not assess the legality of the format(closed or semiclosed) and I imagine that UEFA will block anything that does not involve its control.
In other words, the three clubs already took it for granted that they would not participate simultaneously in both competitions.
So the Super League is free to go ahead but they and their players would be banned from all competitions that fall under FIFA/UEFA/other continental organizations?
Not exactly, this case was whether UEFA and by extension FIFA have the power under European competition law to sanction or threaten to sanction the clubs and players involved, the answer to that is apparently yes though that is to be confirmed
Basically the court is saying that UEFA can legally sanction clubs and players if they go ahead with the ESL, if this is confirmed then the ESL is likely dead in the water because I can't see the players risking the possibility of playing, being discarded and have no ability to go back to a non-ESL club
Time for another remontada.
The fact that FIFA could legally do that same is even scarier. Fedaration are members of FIFA and they don't want the ESL. They could very well pressure FIFA's board so they take appropriate measures againts teams/players that decide to join this rogue organization. No more NT football, no more european football, no more nothing. Even if it's merely a threat, nobody will take the risk.
I can see a split happening in the not too distant future, similar to the recent golf one and the more historic darts one.
As with both of those splits the side with the most money will probably win.
I'm not so sure, those are individual rather than team sports, the problem for the future is whether young players are going to tie themselves to a very limited career path
It's hard enough to make it at a top club but at least if they don't make it at the top level then they have a chance at a lower level, that wouldn't be allowed, UEFA/FIFA would make it so as a price to pay for breaking away
Doesn't apply so much to current players but they're only around for a few more years and if there's not a decent supply of top talent then it'll die
Watching from sidelines, this is quite sad. UEFA is no better than the clubs it is apparently fighting against.
For club football to be healthier in the long term, drastic measures have to be taken to limit the influence money has on the outcomes. The "growth" nonsense must stop, clubs should seriously spend far less and more equal ground should be set up.
I really don't look forward to going back to club football after World Cup, because it is going to be all the same again, rinse and repeat.
For club football to be healthier in the long term, drastic measures have to be taken to limit the influence money has on the outcomes. The "growth" nonsense must stop, clubs should seriously spend far less and more equal ground should be set up.
I really don't look forward to going back to club football after World Cup, because it is going to be all the same again, rinse and repeat.
Am i wrong in assuming that since the various FAs fall under the aegis of UEFA/FIFA, teams playing in the SL could be expelled from domestic competition as well?
might be a case of being towards the upper end of a uefa based team and then getting £x000 per week from a super league club.
As you say I doubt kids would start off at one as they’d be potentially killing their career if they don’t make it.
You're not wrong, that indeed could and quite probably would happen
I'm afraid that ship has long sailed, UEFA essentially caved in to the big clubs with the advent of the CL, without it the ESL would have started years ago
The PL started for basically the same reason but at least promotion/relegation was retained, what would have been disastrous would have been a move away from the collective bargaining of TV rights, one of the reasons why Real Madrid and Barcelona were so powerful in Spain was that they used to have their own rights so got the lions share of it.
If that had happened in England then United & Liverpool and maybe Arsenal & Spurs would have had an income stream that meant no one else could have competed with them.
Yeah, completely agree with you. That ship has sailed in nineties, way too late now to expect say Celtic or Anderlecht financially competing with English clubs.
Also, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Italian big three are now paying the price of pillaging their league competition for years in terms of TV rights, making their leagues unattractive and in process slashing possibilities of their own income.
The desperation
This still sounds like an awful idea. Not as awful, but is there really any appetite for this among fans?
Super League is dead.
A merger between Serie A and La Liga is possible.
Have to see how clubs financial situations evolve...
A merger between Serie A and La Liga is possible.
Have to see how clubs financial situations evolve...
Yeah, they're desperate. The Advocate General pretty much put this to bed when they said that UEFA didn't abuse their position owing to the nature of football, which means that the ECJ is very likely to judge in the same way. The injuction given in Jan by the Madrid Court, just meant that Real, Juve and Barca cannot be punished until the ECJ ruling and they can theoretically pursue the idea still.
All that is happening atm, is that Real, Juve and Barca are trying to drum up support ahead of the final ECJ ruling to attempt to show the ESL is actually wanted. However, once the ECJ ruling comes down they'll be buggered if UEFA is deemed to have acted correctly.
All that is happening atm, is that Real, Juve and Barca are trying to drum up support ahead of the final ECJ ruling to attempt to show the ESL is actually wanted. However, once the ECJ ruling comes down they'll be buggered if UEFA is deemed to have acted correctly.
I have pretty much zero sympathy. Barca and Juve get themselves into a mess so now we have to rip everything up? Barca have underlying income similar to our own, they’ve just made a complete cock and balls of it, they deserve bankruptcy.
It's back!
Reichart said the new-look Super League would be an open competition, with qualification achieved via performance at national level and with all its teams competing in their domestic leagues.
Those national leagues would remain "the foundation" of the game, Reichart said, and argued that the new Super League would generate new revenues to support the entire pyramid.
The guarantee of a minimum of 14 matches, Reichart says, would provide "stablility and predictability" of revenue.
Reichart set out plans for cost control measures, saying clubs should spend only a fixed percentage of their annual football-related revenue on player salaries and net transfers.
I am not total against this, its is better than the last one, but still need to see ore about it.
Those national leagues would remain "the foundation" of the game, Reichart said, and argued that the new Super League would generate new revenues to support the entire pyramid.
The guarantee of a minimum of 14 matches, Reichart says, would provide "stablility and predictability" of revenue.
Reichart set out plans for cost control measures, saying clubs should spend only a fixed percentage of their annual football-related revenue on player salaries and net transfers.
I am not total against this, its is better than the last one, but still need to see ore about it.
Literally reads as certain clubs have a right to be at the top and to have all the money.
That’s a no from me. Hope you all enjoy the non English super league
I am still baffled that Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus preach about inequality after they have been outmuscled financially by Premier league.
And they pretend to be speaking in the name of the whole continent. They have a big FECK YOU from me and I'm pretty sure, rest of the eastern Europe, as they have had UEFA decisions on their side for good 30 years and have completely destroyed competitiveness in almost whole continent.
And they pretend to be speaking in the name of the whole continent. They have a big FECK YOU from me and I'm pretty sure, rest of the eastern Europe, as they have had UEFA decisions on their side for good 30 years and have completely destroyed competitiveness in almost whole continent.
So new suggestion is more matches for clubs already having to many matches?
This one could be a runner as they got rid of the biggest obstacle before - meritocracy.
Now if you look at the wider European football ecosystem, what right has Crystal Palace to sit in mid-table in the Premier League and have more money than Ajax or Benfica because they’re English? Premier League shouldn’t be afraid of a bit of competition, they’re living a charmed life at the moment, eating up all the other leagues.
Now if you look at the wider European football ecosystem, what right has Crystal Palace to sit in mid-table in the Premier League and have more money than Ajax or Benfica because they’re English? Premier League shouldn’t be afraid of a bit of competition, they’re living a charmed life at the moment, eating up all the other leagues.
Tell them to feck off! This stinks of Barca, Real and Juve throwing their toys out the pram because they can’t go and sign all the best players at will like they used to. They basically want other clubs to fund their spending by signing up to this shite.
Why doesn’t Palace have the right to make money?
So clubs are entitled to make more than certain English clubs now?
They say one of their main principles is player health but then go on to propose a new European competition where every participating club would play a minimum of 14 games, which is more than that of the teams going all the way in the current competitions. The audacity of this lot is something else.
This isn't about Ajax and Benfica and it never was. If they were so concerned about ajaxes and benficas of the continent they would have urged UEFA to make drastic changes during 90s, when competitiveness started collapsing in favor of few big clubs.
Maybe if these clubs didn’t take an extra €100m euros from tv rights (in comparison to other clubs) and distributed it fairly in their leagues to make them more competitive, then they might have had more investment in the long run
I don't actively want this but at the same time, if there's no 'closed shop' or permanent members, I don't see how it's much of a grave threat to anybody except UEFA. The devil could be in the further details I suppose.
An European champion that directly qualifies for group stages will play 13 games until they get the trophy.
Reichart proposes a minimum of 14 matches and at the same time says the following:
If I was a journalist the first thing I would ask him is how to deal with this evident contradiction.
It’s to lure fan support in and then slightly alter it until the top clubs get what they want anyway.
Plus they’re being punished by UEFA when the judgment cones down, can’t punish 80 clubs
They haven’t won anything though, they’ve never even been higher than 10th, where is the merit in it for clubs like that other than happening to be English?
Lots of clubs are piggybacking off the Premier League riches, when Southampton can spend more money than the top 5 leagues combined or whatever that stat was, you know the ecosystem is broken. It’s not healthy for a league to be so far financially than the others if you still want the most compelling club competition to be the Champions League. Which it is, cup football > league football.
Hopefully this never happens.
Here is one for starters. As bad and as skewed in favor of top few leagues European football is at the moment, there is still cca 200 clubs from all over the continent competing in European competitions. That would be cut down to third by their propositions instantly. And then you'd surely have somewhere around 40 clubs from top five leagues, with the rest being filled by few of national heavyweights from smaller leagues, not even all of them.
I want to see more bones of the competition before I support or not, the open competition is a good start.
That could well be a concern I guess. English clubs will probably be of the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' mindset considering they get healthy TV revenues anyway and now know they're risking significant backlash for relatively less gain.