The english fans are blocking english clubs. The moment the SL becomes palatable to fans there's not much the PL or FA can do about it
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Bunch of newbies posting that this is a good idea. Interesting. I wonder are they paying for bots to post saying this is a good idea - certainly the case on reddit.
feck this idea and feck the ESL. Stupid idea that nobody wants. Just feck off.
feck this idea and feck the ESL. Stupid idea that nobody wants. Just feck off.
I think the introduction of a fully open promotion/relegation will make it a lot easier for people to take. It's going to be the case of which European tournament will survive if it gets off the ground.
Fan backlash won’t allow clubs form those countries to join.
I’ll even go as far as saying the app is a terrible idea, it’s turning all of media against them. The propaganda wages against the ESL will be insane
They can feck off with this. I'm actually looking forward to the proper European tournaments with their new league phase format from next season.
I mean.... I'm absolutely certain we can't.
What makes you think that there'll be a similar fan backlash this time? The first iteration of the ESL was really stupid. Now if anyone can join, if there's relegation and promotion, then it's a different game.
I even think the new proposed format will be easily subject to change with negotiations, they could allow a higher number for relegations/promotions, 4 instead of 2 for example, among other things. Then if it's financially more rewarding, what is there to push against?
Why is this any different to the Champions League?, its just an independent version of the new Champions League format but will have 3 tiers instead of 3 seperate competitions and wont be a cash cow to fill the pockets of UEFA or allow the TV companies to charge the fans extortionate amounts to watch it.
Im genuinely asking how. You’ve not really stated. How does the ESL enable them to do that?
How does the initial selection phase work then? Why should St Etienne or other larger sleeping giant clubs be allowed into the ESL to begin with ahead of smaller clubs currently outperforming them?
People seem to have taken up this mantra of “oh uefa, pl and fifa are corrupt so might aswell”. Sometimes the better the devil you know and m this kind of corruption would be absolutely ripe in a newly created organisation where there are literally no rules in place as it stands. The Arab states etc will not just sit back and allow the ESL to form without them getting involved and having a massive say.
These owners at Real and Barca, they’re doing this for self preservation. They can be bought and the highest bidders are the Arab state. At least uefa have some semblance of rules that would prevent such a thing.
Also fans will definitely care if they’re having to do away days in Saudi Arabia or UAE.
Aye. The idea this will be free every year is laughable. The only way it could be free for any significant period of time is if the ESL is actually being run and funded by the Arab states which I have a sneaky suspicion it is and therefore profits are irrelevant.
I know that, I'm saying it'll affect the domestic leagues in the long run in my opinion, they will try to expand it more and more to the point where teams will just not care about their domestic leagues anymore.
True but it doesn't mean it won't be either. Last time round they tried to make a closed a shop like the NBA, that's the main reason fans reacted so badly towards it. They want this to get off the ground and get fans onside this time. If making it open to all teams is the cost then I'm sure they'll pay it.
Either way it would be pretty apparent from the off if they weren't opening it up for qualification.
Really shit proposal again. So for a team to rise into it out of nowhere.... They'd need to have 3 excellent years in a row just to be able to participate in the gold division? 
Nobody of importance will sign up for this. This is a ploy for spanish and Italian clubs to save their skins financially as they are fecked compared to English clubs. Anybody outside the most elite are also fecking their own futures by locking themselves out of the elite group basically. They see that the premier league is basically the super League in financial power, so are trying to stop that.
At least they have a video though.
Nobody of importance will sign up for this. This is a ploy for spanish and Italian clubs to save their skins financially as they are fecked compared to English clubs. Anybody outside the most elite are also fecking their own futures by locking themselves out of the elite group basically. They see that the premier league is basically the super League in financial power, so are trying to stop that.
At least they have a video though.
After all the fuss I'm not really sure what the point of the current ESL is.
I think there’s an underestimation of the new generation of football fans. The ESL is right up their street.
Of course but you aren’t getting English, German or French clubs and that’s a problem if you want to make a splash so big that it changes the minds of those clubs and fans. If it idles alongside the CL etc then it going to end up nowhere
Id go the other way, if this fractures European football to any great extent then you just may see clubs and fans turn their backs on European competition. It seems people may be overlooking the falling of enthusiasm for cross league matches as a tournament layout problem rather than a simple lack of interest
A minimum of 14 games per season for every team? That is the same as getting to the final currently. I presume a team going all the way would have to play 19 games?
Feels like something would have to give in the EPL for that schedule to be possible. Super league teams might have to drop the league cup or something.
Edit: wait that's more than getting to the current final...
Feels like something would have to give in the EPL for that schedule to be possible. Super league teams might have to drop the league cup or something.
Edit: wait that's more than getting to the current final...
Isn’t this basically the same thing but without UEFA? Next years European competition are 3 leagues where the winner moves up.
Have you seen the teams interested a few pages back? That’s where the relegation is coming from. The top teams will be cocooned away in safety.
Even Atletico aren’t backing it. How super is this league?
Atlético de Madrid, after analyzing the ruling of the Court of Justice of the European Union, wants to state the following:
The resolution on the prior authorization framework for other competitions refers to old UEFA statutes that were already modified in June 2022.
2. The European Club Association (ECA) and UEFA have created a partnership that makes the consideration that UEFA is a monopoly meaningless, since the clubs, by virtue of the agreements adopted within this joint partnership ( ´joint venture´), they decide at 50% to whom the sponsorship and television rights are sold and the distribution of said income, as well as the competition formats.
3. The European football family does not want the European Super League. Germany, France, England, Italy, Spain (except for Real Madrid and Barcelona), etc. They don't want the Super League. We are in favor of protecting the great family of European football, of protecting the domestic leagues and through them achieving qualification for European competitions on the field of play each season.
Atlético de Madrid, after analyzing the ruling of the Court of Justice of the European Union, wants to state the following:
The resolution on the prior authorization framework for other competitions refers to old UEFA statutes that were already modified in June 2022.
2. The European Club Association (ECA) and UEFA have created a partnership that makes the consideration that UEFA is a monopoly meaningless, since the clubs, by virtue of the agreements adopted within this joint partnership ( ´joint venture´), they decide at 50% to whom the sponsorship and television rights are sold and the distribution of said income, as well as the competition formats.
3. The European football family does not want the European Super League. Germany, France, England, Italy, Spain (except for Real Madrid and Barcelona), etc. They don't want the Super League. We are in favor of protecting the great family of European football, of protecting the domestic leagues and through them achieving qualification for European competitions on the field of play each season.
This will come about one way or another whether we like it or not. Unfortunately these days money rules over everything.
I can obviously see why like clubs in Europe would want to get into this as their finances have been in tatters for years now but do premier league clubs really need this? Strongest league in the world with the biggest pay packets available.. just seems pointless.
But as others have said what is the point of the CL if you don’t have the likes of Madrid, Barca, Juve, Milan’s, Bayern, PSG(lol).. the majority will just force our hand unfortunately.
I can obviously see why like clubs in Europe would want to get into this as their finances have been in tatters for years now but do premier league clubs really need this? Strongest league in the world with the biggest pay packets available.. just seems pointless.
But as others have said what is the point of the CL if you don’t have the likes of Madrid, Barca, Juve, Milan’s, Bayern, PSG(lol).. the majority will just force our hand unfortunately.
Honestly, who gives a shit?
This 'football is for the fans' nonsense went out the window years ago, it didn't start with the initial Super League proposal.
Uefa/FIFA/Sky etc are only outraged because the monopoly that they've had for donkeys year is now under threat.
This 'football is for the fans' nonsense went out the window years ago, it didn't start with the initial Super League proposal.
Uefa/FIFA/Sky etc are only outraged because the monopoly that they've had for donkeys year is now under threat.
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It sounds like some Chinese knock off shite.
Manchester United has issued the following statement in reaction to today's judgement by the European Court of Justice on the European Super League:
Our position has not changed. We remain fully committed to participation in UEFA competitions, and to positive cooperation with UEFA, the Premier League, and fellow clubs through the ECA on the continued development of the European game.
Our position has not changed. We remain fully committed to participation in UEFA competitions, and to positive cooperation with UEFA, the Premier League, and fellow clubs through the ECA on the continued development of the European game.
Shout out to Real and Barca… nice
Bayern were totally against it if I remember correctly, same with PSG. This is real, Barca and the Italian clubs
Honestly if this goes through, I'll not even bother watching even if it is free. There has to be a catch in there somewhere.
I'd rather go watch 22 half drunk overweight lads slog it out on a hot Sunday morning than give this any time.
I'd rather go watch 22 half drunk overweight lads slog it out on a hot Sunday morning than give this any time.
Absolutely delighted to see this.
And at 1/2am European time so they can fit in with American schedules
Seems like a right dilemma.
The cons far outweigh the pros.
PROS
- State ownership and sportswashing will in theory become less effective. Although it's NOT guaranteed!
NEUTRAL
- There will be a higher concentration of top games. Why is this in 'neutral' and not 'pros'? Because a big part of the charm is the rarity of these games. If there are several top games per week (domestic and continental) then they lose a lot of the magic. I like a good steak too but don't want it several times a week.
CONS
- How do we know if this is not just a gateway to their initial uncompetitive proposition? 10 years from now they might just stop relegation from Star altogether and no one will be able to stop them.
- The CL is 6 games minimum and 13 games maximum. This ECL is 14 games minimum and 19 (?) games maximum. This is a large increase in games. Especially considering how there's already too much football.
- Now matter how you swing it, this is still a way for the big dogs to avoid playing against the "plebs". Only 2 out of the 16 big teams get relegated. This means that smaller clubs practically never get a chance to play the likes of Real, Barca and Bayern again. That is just sad for football.
- 64 teams across 3 tiers is not a lot of teams! It is a significant reduction compared to CL + EL+ Conference. How is this good for smaller clubs?
- How are they gonna solve promotion to Blue? It seems very chaotic compared to the current European football system.
- This clearly weakens the Premier League. This might be a 'pro' to some of course...
PROS
- State ownership and sportswashing will in theory become less effective. Although it's NOT guaranteed!
NEUTRAL
- There will be a higher concentration of top games. Why is this in 'neutral' and not 'pros'? Because a big part of the charm is the rarity of these games. If there are several top games per week (domestic and continental) then they lose a lot of the magic. I like a good steak too but don't want it several times a week.
CONS
- How do we know if this is not just a gateway to their initial uncompetitive proposition? 10 years from now they might just stop relegation from Star altogether and no one will be able to stop them.
- The CL is 6 games minimum and 13 games maximum. This ECL is 14 games minimum and 19 (?) games maximum. This is a large increase in games. Especially considering how there's already too much football.
- Now matter how you swing it, this is still a way for the big dogs to avoid playing against the "plebs". Only 2 out of the 16 big teams get relegated. This means that smaller clubs practically never get a chance to play the likes of Real, Barca and Bayern again. That is just sad for football.
- 64 teams across 3 tiers is not a lot of teams! It is a significant reduction compared to CL + EL+ Conference. How is this good for smaller clubs?
- How are they gonna solve promotion to Blue? It seems very chaotic compared to the current European football system.
- This clearly weakens the Premier League. This might be a 'pro' to some of course...
Really thought it would be hard for me to hate Real Madrid and Barcelona any more than I already do. But like a Christmas miracle they managed it.
Grand opening!
Grand closing!
That twat behind this couldn't be more obvious he isn't arsed about football, just lining his own pockets.
All the clubs coming out with statements already is showing how dead this is
Only real and Barca want it for a mega cash injection to balance their books.
All the clubs coming out with statements already is showing how dead this is
Only real and Barca want it for a mega cash injection to balance their books.
The new UCL is a minimum 8 games in a 24 team league system. Top 8 qualify for last 16, 9-16 have an extra round of fixtures.
Barcelona and Real Madrid have absolutely milked La liga with thier unfair split in tv money, and now that has run dry and the PL are tops dogs they come up with this dog shit idea and claim its for the fans.
Feck this shit. Just stinks of the likes of Barca, Real Madrid and the Italian clubs throwing their toys out the pram because their leagues don’t get the attention or the money they once did. They didn’t give a shit about anyone else when they had it good so feck the lot of them.
Still a huge increase though (and I was against the new CL system too).
I fear it would come to a point where teams would play weakened teams in the PL for this and for that reason I’m out