I don't have a problem with an ESL that has no more games than the CL and the clubs agreeing to sack off the CL all together.
Mainly because I think that would be hilarious on UEFA
Mainly because I think that would be hilarious on UEFA
Is the European super league back? | United Statement: We remain committed to UEFA
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Chelsea were once barred from entering a competition by the Football League a few years later United entered the same competition. That competition is today known as the Champions League.
If the clubs want to join it ultimately there's not much the PL or the FA could do about it.
This changes very little? If I understood the verdict correctly:
1. Creating a super league is allowed
2. Leagues within the EU are not allowed to ban clubs for playing in a super league
Was there ever any doubt about number one? Number two is interesting, but ultimately it doesn't matter much. Bayern, PSG and Inter (?) all turned down the offer last time right? And because of Brexit, the FA can still ban clubs for accepting the invitation to the super league. So there will be no PL clubs either.
This is only "great" news for Real and Barca. Now they can play each other (and Juventus I guess) a million times per season..
1. Creating a super league is allowed
2. Leagues within the EU are not allowed to ban clubs for playing in a super league
Was there ever any doubt about number one? Number two is interesting, but ultimately it doesn't matter much. Bayern, PSG and Inter (?) all turned down the offer last time right? And because of Brexit, the FA can still ban clubs for accepting the invitation to the super league. So there will be no PL clubs either.
This is only "great" news for Real and Barca. Now they can play each other (and Juventus I guess) a million times per season..
Could you explain whats so bad about it now that they've said it's open to other qualifying clubs? What is it about UEFA that you so desperately prefer it?
I don’t have a problem with it if state funded clubs are allowed to run amok.
But they see that now and the figures aren’t great and that’s why it’s being revamped?
We had Bayern v United, PSG v Milan / Dortmund and Madrid v Napoli within the last few months yet the tvs weren’t melting down with the viewing figures. Amazon pulled out of the EPL bidding and given a clear path to half of the CL games for a reason.
French teams even turned their back on this so the only way we get Mbappe v Jude is if Mbappe joins Barca who want to go bankrupt. It could be a super league without 95 percent of the world’s best players.
Well at least United get more money from it. If Ratcliffe and his directors are competent at running a football club and use that money wisely, we might finally have a mean of bringing attractive football back to this club.
The arrogance of these clubs to make a super league of their own. Feck them.
Theyre fixtures that currently occur a small handful of times. The TV revenue and sponsorship is likely larger if they competed in the same league.
Back to the point though, people aren't globally going to boycott the ESL. In fact a lot overseas who are "modern" fans are pro it. They also think fixtures will eventually be played in the US which enables them to watch live too.
How many open places it is? And how do they qualify? And can all clubs go out of the tournament or are most of the places reserved for the same clubs?
Prices would just go up. Everything gets eaten up by transfer fees and wages. We are a lot richer than we were 15 years ago but does it feel like we are? Say it’s 25 clubs, that’s 25 clubs with a big cash injection which results in a transfer fee bubble being created.
The same fixtures are getting rehashed every season. The new seeding system ensures this.
Yes, absolutely hilarious that a local working class fan of their club would have to not only pay an inflated price on their season ticket, but also even more money on a TV package to watch their club play in Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc. What a hoot.I don't have a problem with an ESL that has no more games than the CL and the clubs agreeing to sack off the CL all together.
Mainly because I think that would be hilarious on UEFA
And now we see why the glazers were determined to hold onto as much of United as they could.
They would have had an idea of which way this was heading, and clearly think it will increase the value of the club if they are involved with it.
They would have had an idea of which way this was heading, and clearly think it will increase the value of the club if they are involved with it.
Good arguments against the superleague but not an answer to the point of existing corruption. A superleague might be both unfair and undesirable but actually less corrupt than what we have now.
There are two reason for this to happen imo.
1. Barcelona and Real Madrid looks forward in time, and dont like what they see at all. They will pay for having taken all the pieces of the La Liga pie instead of creating a more balanced and better league.
2. Countires/Clubs/Leagues outside of Europe want a part of the European football money pie and the exposure it brings.
Non of them reasons are for the better of football in general imo.
1. Barcelona and Real Madrid looks forward in time, and dont like what they see at all. They will pay for having taken all the pieces of the La Liga pie instead of creating a more balanced and better league.
2. Countires/Clubs/Leagues outside of Europe want a part of the European football money pie and the exposure it brings.
Non of them reasons are for the better of football in general imo.
Immaterial. The frequency isn't as high, and you have to pay for it. The CEO of the super league is out there promising free games, people aren't boycotting it if it goes ahead.
Unless I am misunderstanding what you're saying... ALL Super League matches will be FREE for viewing, for everyone. As announced by the CEO just this hour.
Independent regulation would be the answer for the PL.
When it comes to UEFA, the ESL might be an answer but the frequency of games and format can't really meddle with the domestic commitments.
I personally welcome our ESL overlords
We don't know that yet in any detail. All we know right now is that UEFA doesn't have the right to a monopoly and they cannot kick clubs out because they are exploring other avenues.
This is all about keeping the oil clubs in check. We should not be as vehemently against is as Sky wants us to be.
There was no way Perez & barca were going to let this go. Its basically to stop those two going skint/ help barca build their new stadium
Uefa have not helped themselves either with the change of format to the CL (making it essentially what the super league would have been)
There was rumours the delays with the INEOS deal were down to Glazers dragging their heels on the outcome of this, as the Super League is their only viable option left to remain at United and try make more money off them. I wouldnt be surprised if they attempted to alter the INEOS deal now to stay completely or raise the value of the club again. if the Super League has a chance, they will go nowhere
Uefa have not helped themselves either with the change of format to the CL (making it essentially what the super league would have been)
There was rumours the delays with the INEOS deal were down to Glazers dragging their heels on the outcome of this, as the Super League is their only viable option left to remain at United and try make more money off them. I wouldnt be surprised if they attempted to alter the INEOS deal now to stay completely or raise the value of the club again. if the Super League has a chance, they will go nowhere
Playing in the best competition in football should be a reward for doing stuff right - not a certainty regardless of how poorly you are doing.
I don't prefer uefa at all, what the feck are you talking about? I don't want anything to jeopardise the premier league, nothing can replicate watching the league. Definitely not some money hungry super league.
It's not just the organisations that run football, it's also the fans as seen when they tried last time.
Nothing changed, despite the predictable court result.
On one hand its bad cause I dont want to see that Superleague stuff ever.
But on the other hand Uefa is corrupt as they get and their constant meddling with their own competitions and more and more games has led to this, among other things.
Football as we know it is long gone anyway and its getting worse day by day so practically nothing revolutionary happened really.
But on the other hand Uefa is corrupt as they get and their constant meddling with their own competitions and more and more games has led to this, among other things.
Football as we know it is long gone anyway and its getting worse day by day so practically nothing revolutionary happened really.
For whatever reason you are only thinking about the english market, as if it were the only market around. It isn't. It's just the biggest
The CL was revamped to combat the threat of the SL(didn't work in the end)
It’s the biggest market that eats up the rest as it is? I can’t fathom how further out in front they could go when these other teams join a SL that devalues their own league.
The SL aren’t walking into a market on their own here. All these teams from countries who have fans that don’t overpay for their football
Anyway look at this quality
You want Woodward to return?
Their views could be different this time around.
A lot of people didn't like that it was a closed shop, apparently it won't be. A lot of fans seemed to believe it would replace domestic football, it won't.
Not saying I'm necessarily in favour of it but I would struggle to really care if the Champions League was rebranded as the Super League and the clubs took over from UEFA in running it.
But it isn’t? The Premier League will continue without any changes whatsoever to it? I don’t get your seething anger?
The PL isn't eating the Spanish, Italian, German, French markets, etc. With enough clubs the SL would cannibalize those markets, and then compete with the PL for the rich US/Asian markets, where a league pitting Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, PSG, Milan, Juventus, Inter, etc against each other is much more likely to eat away at the PL instead of the other way around, as you claim
The SL would be a new product. Just have to time it right. Why do you think the PL and the English FA are so against it?
Only fair for us to win the first five seasons 
This Super League is definitely a road to an actual European League to rival the PL imo
When will the Saudi clubs get involved? This could be huge monies.
PSG and Bayern refused to join the SL from the off so that’s a bad start for these grand plans
That’s why you said etc after those teams, there’s nobody else and that’s how it’s hidden
UEFA might as well join forces with them. "The UEFA Super League" would be good branding.
The CL has run its course, it has been overall boring for a while now.
A new competition away from the UEFA is well overdue.
A new competition away from the UEFA is well overdue.
The premier league that we know today is also a breakaway from the EFL isn't it, so what's to stop the big 20 or so clubs from Europe making a European variant of that, and potentially even including South American/ME and Asian/African clubs in that league (If those clubs can pass a certain bar in quality) and also promoting the top clubs from each domestic league every season? If it is a semi closed league where the legacy clubs are permanent members, and the payout is also higher than what they'd get from the PL, the FA/PL can't really stop them can they. The most FA could do is to ban English players from playing for any club in the ESL or not consider those players playing in the ESL for England caps - But money talks in the end, and the players would still play for those ESL clubs if they were getting paid more. It doesn't need to be the end of domestic football for clubs like United as well, depending on which competition has more commercial pull, a youth side could play in one of these competitions - Which actually becomes another avenue for developing youth.
I do think that even in terms of commercial value an ESL type competition that might be played globally and not just in Europe will eventually eclipse the PL - You only need to look at F1 to see there are plenty of cash rich countries who want to host sporting events like this. The legacy clubs which have large global fanbases will see this as a great opportunity to monetise that fanbase as well. Clubs like Bayern/PSG/Inter who turned it down first time around may actually come around once it starts to take off - I suppose a bit like the Ronaldo effect in Saudi.
I think this would diminish an English club's presence in England for sure, but if the plan is to play games around the world - isn't that actually better for the development of football as a sport around the world? Don't get me wrong Greater Manchester will always be the home of United, and there is no way that these clubs don't play at their home grounds in England even as part of an ESL.
I might get slated on this forum for having this opinion but I don't quite understand why some fans tend to regard an ESL concept as a bad thing - Maybe it's flawed in its current iteration and needs to be developed a bit more, but I can't see this as a bad thing.
Would like to see us join to be honest.