Is Mbappe the best french player ever?
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Says the guy who's been posting in this thread several times already, okay guy.
Says the guy who's been posting in this thread several times already, okay guy.
Arguing with PSG fans who think the French league is a top level league...fun times pal.
Anyways bottom line is he needs to move to be crowned the goat. You know it. I know it. And the world of football knows it.
Don't think he needs to leave PSG. If he wins them the UCL, he can stay there and cement more of his legacy for the NT.
He needs to get that France scoring record off Giroud ASAP, because being as fair as possible to Giroud, that just ain't right.
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I don't care what you know, and I don't think he'll ever be crowned the goat anyways. A CL with PSG is worth far more than one with Madrid, you can try to argue otherwise, but I couldn't care less. If you had the chance to win one for your hometown, you'd be a fool not to take it, he's taking a chance on that and it's far more respectable to me than taking the easy way out and going for one of the serial winners that already got it without him.
The problem isn't the overall quality of Ligue 1 but that in most seasons there's no real competition for PSG.
If Mbappe doesn't win the CL with them, his best achievement in club football till he leaves will remain winning the league with Monaco.
If Mbappe doesn't win the CL with them, his best achievement in club football till he leaves will remain winning the league with Monaco.
I don't disagree with that, but if he brings them their first CL, it's a bigger achievement than winning it in Madrid, or winning a Liga there in that 2-horse league instead of 1. Same thing with joining a team like City which has basically made the PL a 1 and 1/2 horse league.
Why even put the bar that high (GOAT level) ?
Two penalties also.Mentality monster, best player ever, GOAT etc....a player who was invisible last several games and most of the final. Bloody hell Caf, you are outdoing yourself.
1955, Just Fontaine, also France, scored 13 goals in World Cup and we don't see people talk about him as worlds greatest or best French player ever.
1954, Sandor Koscis scored 12 goals in World Cup, putting him on top in goals/games in World Cup and we don't see people talk about him as worlds greatest.
1994, Oleg Salenko scored 5 goals in a World Cup game and we don't see people talk about him as worlds greatest.
Nobody can deny his quality but lets take it easy. French best player? Not yet. Will he be? Time can only tell. One thing is for sure. He needs to get out of France, play in better leagues, to be cosidered.
No idea why you mocking him since he has a point. Footballers can't even properly cross the ball anymore.
Everything is full on robotized. Very good free kick takers are literally dying breed.
It used to be a fun watch but now its just you hoping to see something special.
He was absolutely phenomenal tonight, that is for sure. I still think Platini and Zidane are far better, but the boy is 23 and will by all likelihood surpass Ronaldo's 15 and Miroslav Klose's 16 WC goals in his third World Cup in 2026. That's quite impressive.
Bloody hell, the posts on this thread are getting worse and worse. Really, you can't make the difference between scorng a hat trick in a world cup final (when he also scored a goal in the 2018 final) - which is pretty much the highest amount of pressure any athlete in the world can ever face - and 5 goals in a group stage game against cameroun? You really really can't put that in perspective with all the other records he broke for a 23 years old? Are you guys that ignorant about what's going on in the world of football?
I didn't see the first half, but it was an interesting analysis by the Norwegian pundits basically saying that his defensive work was so non-existant that Argentina could double up on his side time and time again. He was downright lazy in defense. I didn't see much difference in the second half, and he didn't really have a standout game, but then he scores three goals and single handidly keeps France in contention. Was this typically Mbappe? Brilliant when his team is attacking, but a bit of a liability when they are being pressed? Messi was never one to work his socks off, and Ronaldo, although intermittently he worked well defensively, has never been renowned for his defensive work either. However, the game has shifted, and most managers want every player to contribute both ways - even goalies should be playmakers, and strikers should be hard pressers.
I'm just pointing out how ridiculous it is to talk about him being best French player ever. He is 23, never played outside France and he is best? Give me a break.
He can be best, but let it take the time it needs to take. And start by playing in better leagues. Because as I pointed out, World Cup goals don't need to mean to much.
Well one goal and two penalties. While it takes some mental strength, they are still easy goals.
Anyway, great player but far from best at the moment. Too early.
And the people from the generation before will say the same thing. It’s patently untrue
He also played a CL final already. He's definitely up there with the best French players and even if (and that's a big if) he is not.edging it already, it is by no means a ridiculous claim
nobody is calling Mbappe the worlds greatest though
in fact this thread is about Frances's greatest, and bar one or two people pretty much everyone has agreed he isn't there yet
At the time I'm pretty sure that both were in consideration for France & Hungary's best players ever despite having marginally better players performing next to them in the same tournaments (notably Kopa & Puskás).
But we have clubs like Chelsea who aren't even in that '2 horse race' wining trophies that you have never even won that's exactly my point.
You're trying to paint a picture of Mbappe winning it for his hometown club I just don't see the romance one little bit. It's a club run by oil outspending and failing in Europe year after year. Your front 3 are probably on more weekly than the rest of the league combined. There's zero romance or legacy or anything attached to PSG winning a CL outside of Paris there will be zero fecks given.
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You think there's romance attached to playing in the EPL? Come on. Players aren't joining Chelsea or any other EPL club for the chance of winning the league but because of money. That's the one reason there are so many top clubs in England and that's their financial strength. The same is true for PSG. If any player at Chelsea would have the chance to play for PSG earning the money Mbappe is earning with reasonable chances to win the UCL, they wouldn't think twice.
Also, as a German I don't care whether PSG or Chelsea wins it. It's a big egocentric the rest of the world is more romantically attached to the EPL than to Ligue 1.
Still not as good as Henry eh.
Then tell me please where are all the skillful wingers, technically adept strikers, prolific finishers, playmakers, free kick specialists,..?
Also noticed players don't even use skills anymore to go past defenders - speed is everything these days. What happened to step overs?
You had so many of these type of players in the 80s,90s and 00s.
Oh I don't disagree about the money it's running wild throughout football and there's no sign of it slowing down with new owners at Newcastle and probably United and Liverpool in the coming months.
But you can't deny the competitiveness of the PL it's a tough league to thrive in
A bit strange this days people trying to downplay Neymar or Mbappé level because they don't play in England. They tried that argument with Messi but after many times being destroyed by him at club level they gave up. They don't have to play in England to prove they are good, they are good because they are. Simple as that.
He's scored more goals in the World Cup final (by far the biggest game in football) than anyone else in history. His team was finished and he dragged them back into the game. This is not the day to be trying to belittle Mbappe or the French league, you just sound silly.
I think he has a point in some ways. We have less mavericks and more athletes which is due to tactics changing and more emphasis on pressing. Its why we have less top quality strikers. I'm sure it will return in the near future. Wasn't so long ago that everyone wanted to be a number 10. Now we have the inside forward phase and the 10 role is going out of fashion.
Sandor could be considered as the best player of the World Cup 1954( Puskas had an injury time), and he had a lot of chances for winning golden ball in that tournament( if the award was held). Fontaine with 13 goals could be easily top3 players of the 1958 tournament( below players like Kopa and Didi).
Is it just me he also looked a bit pale and downbeat? Not his usual bubbly self, maybe suffering from the illness that was going around?
Agree to an extent, i mean a washed up Ronaldo scored 20+ goals in England.
The best players play in the best leagues. Simple as that. This isn't the 60s anymore
Messi and Mbappé play in Ligue 1 and they’re the best players…
It’s the same crap from last year about Messi lowering himself to play in Ligue 1. Yeah it really ruined him, didn’t it?
Not all the best players in the World have to play in the top league of the moment to prove they are good. Imagine saying Stoitchkov or Romário weren't great at their time because they didn't played in Serie A, the best league in the World during the 80's or 90's?
They don't have to play in England to prove they can play against the best.
The best league is the one the best players choose to play in. If the best players play in the best league and the EPL is the best league, why has there only been one EPL Balon D'Or winner in the last 20 years?
They do play in the best league. They play in the Champions League
What he did tonight will be absolutely massive for his legacy. We didn't win, but Mbappe's world cup will be ranked just below Platini's euro 84 and Zidane's Euro 2000, on par with Zidane's WC 2006 for me.
You certainly have a point, everything gets optimized and since crossing has never been a good way to score goals it has pretty much died out in the modern Gegenpressing world of football.
That being said I wouldn't underestimate the technical ability necessary to play at the tempo which teams tend to play at these days. The technical ability shifts simply to other areas.
Gained mad respect from me today. He is incredibly cool for his age, tucking away three penalties in the biggest game of all shows his nerves of steel. Rashford's pen against PSG pales in comparison.
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