I vote for Patience when this thread got open 
Glad to be completely wrong
Glad to be completely wrong
Is Mainoo the real deal?
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Imagine a good partner next to him. We will win everything
The answer has always been yes. He's already putting in world class performances.
It was a long time ago that I was last so confident of a player - March 22I vote for Patience when this thread got open
Glad to be completely wrong
He definitely is unless there are major injury setbacks, as happened with Wilshere.
There are certain players who look great individually but don't necessarily improve your team and I'm still undecided whether or not if he falls into this category.
8 appearances now for England mostly against weaker opposition and I think last night is the first time they have taken the lead while he's been on the pitch. The team Instantly looked better on a couple of occasions when he's been subbed off despite good performances from himself.
United have looked the worse team in a majority of the games he's played although individually he's looked very good.
On the balance of probably it's probably the case that Southgate and Ten Hag aren't very good managers and it isn't his fault that the teams he's in haven't played to their full potential but I'm still not certain at this point.
8 appearances now for England mostly against weaker opposition and I think last night is the first time they have taken the lead while he's been on the pitch. The team Instantly looked better on a couple of occasions when he's been subbed off despite good performances from himself.
United have looked the worse team in a majority of the games he's played although individually he's looked very good.
On the balance of probably it's probably the case that Southgate and Ten Hag aren't very good managers and it isn't his fault that the teams he's in haven't played to their full potential but I'm still not certain at this point.
I just hope when he signs a big new contract (lets be honest we will offer him it) he wont end up like Rashford
Do you ever have anything positive to say?
the glass isn't half empty, it's bone dry.Should we not offer him a big new contract?
Better because they scored?
That's called flooding the pitch with forwards and hoping for the best.
Southgate did it both times vs Slovakia and Switzerland because he was losing.
Yes he did and it worked instantly. Doesn't change the fact we were losing when he played and came back instantly when he came off.
United we're 7th when he made his debut. With him in the side we then finished 8th and we were conceding a ridiculous number of shots on some of those games. Individually Mainoo looked excellent so I was really looking forward to seeing him playing in Euros with better players around him and dominating a game with a 3-0 win but that hasn't happened.
All I'm saying is individually does Mainoo look to be a very good player? Yes absolutely. Does an England or Man Utd team team look better overall with him in it? I have to say we still don't know at this point.
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he definitely improved United last season
couldn't give a feck about England but Koeman had to change tactics in the first half because they couldn't cope with England's midfield. I struggle to remember anything like that happening with England before.
Just need to develop or show more of his passing range (which isn't bad but also isn't his standout feature). If he can do that then teams won't know what to do with him. A player who can dribble, progress with the ball and who can have a creative passing range all from centre midfield would be really hard to stop.
Only people who dont rate this kid are the WhoScored.com admins. They put him in their worst team of the tournament based on ratings. What are they watching. Even England fans who notoriously hate our players are starting to rate the kid. I love his maturity on the pitch. His decision making is top.
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His England games since he was brought in, he's undroppable.
Well done lad chances taken that's what quality players do..
Well done lad chances taken that's what quality players do..
There's nothing tangible to your correlation in both cases it's completely coincidental.
What's more is Bruno's uptick in form coincided with his introduction into the team and the same goes for Foden now. When he came on against Slovenia they man marked him for the first 10-15 minutes. It's blatantly obvious how he turned England's prospects around from the moment he stepped on the pitch in that second half. You would have been mercilessly mocked if you would have told anyone England are going to reach the final after the first half against Slovenia.
Shame on the 18 who voted no, SHAME!
Wrong. A young player needs time to prove himself. When I voted he had a couple of months in the first team. I don't believe in over hyping young players or ridiculing them either if they put a few poor performances. I think patience needs to be given.
Adnan looked to be a great prospect, we over hyped him and the following season he wasn't half as good.
Mainoo does look the real deal but I'll be more certain after a full second season of good performances.
He’s absolutely class, there’s no doubt about it. Not even hype at this stage.
My favourite thing about him is his calmness - on and off the field. Doesn’t ever panic.
Then on top of that he’s an unbelievably gifted footballer. No one can deny that he’s fecking exciting and the fact he plays for United is an absolute dream. Has immediately filled a hole in our midfield that we probably haven’t had world class competency in for over a decade.
Can’t wait to see him next season.
My favourite thing about him is his calmness - on and off the field. Doesn’t ever panic.
Then on top of that he’s an unbelievably gifted footballer. No one can deny that he’s fecking exciting and the fact he plays for United is an absolute dream. Has immediately filled a hole in our midfield that we probably haven’t had world class competency in for over a decade.
Can’t wait to see him next season.
Now he’s pretty much a superstar. What a rise for our young Kobbie!
A TAD harsh. England have instantly looked better when he's started/come on. He's not the fittest player out there, so yeah they might well have looked better when he's been subbed, or maybe the other guy that got subbed with him was the problem.
Such a dreadful and inaccurate take.
He's not all that. He hasn't got the legs for even 60 minutes. We all agree, that passing is not his strenght but now I read in the Ugarte-thread that Mainoo can't progress the ball either. On top, it turns out, he doesn't improve his teams and England and United are better without him.
Get rid, I'd say.
Get rid, I'd say.
Did you forget the white text?
It's not just a good partner, it's a well set up structure.
He's a technical wizard and wise beyond his years with his usage of the ball but he isn't perfect and obviously at 19 he has a lot to work on too.
He isn't the quickest in a defensive transition and while I hate to give Southgate credit, he eventually came up with a good answer by shifting the team around and having Walker as part of the rest defence, rather than consistently supporting the attack as an overlapping full back.
Will be interesting to see how United deal with that next season with hopefully fewer injuries and a more balanced squad
Well, I didn't think it would need white text.
But I can try some white text. Mainoo is a massive prospect, looks years ahead in his development and much more mature than you'd expect from a lad his age. He is already a player that can make the difference. He's pure class. I was just bamboozled by some talking points I read today on this forum.
Can never be too sure these days!
You also have to remember the new men in charge might not be offering the sort of money Rashford got. Hopefully it is a more incentive laden contract. Achieve and you get the money.Do you ever have anything positive to say?
Should we not offer him a big new contract?
Do bears shit in the woods?
The poll ought to be updated. It will be a resounding YES!
Your logic is flawed. If the tactic immediately changed, you just changed the variables under which Mainoo played under. There is no direct comparison, and thus your logic doesn't make sense. Besides, it still wouldn't be sound because you're making conclusions based on coincidences. You haven't explained how he made them or us worse.
Did you even watch United last season? You think Mainoo was the reason why we conceded so many shots? Not the tactics? Your logic is all about coincidence. It's a ridiculous argument.
Called it in Feb…after the wolves game…
Two instances last night (that led to nothing) show how/why he’s so good. sure it happened more than twice as well
both instances he received the ball off Martinez, already on the turn, and moved the ball in an attacking direction. On both occasions he beat a man/the press in the process.
Like i said, nothing came of it and the ball was recycled back, but in doing so, he has elevated us from a returned pass straight back to the cb…instead to giving oppo something to think about when he’s in possession
and because he is so good, he’ll draw more attention, creating more space for those elsewhere.
the guy is class
add to that…he then goes and scores an absolute banger. What a player. Said it few months back…on this trajectory, he should be in the England squad
…and he’s ours wahoooo
Two instances last night (that led to nothing) show how/why he’s so good. sure it happened more than twice as well
both instances he received the ball off Martinez, already on the turn, and moved the ball in an attacking direction. On both occasions he beat a man/the press in the process.
Like i said, nothing came of it and the ball was recycled back, but in doing so, he has elevated us from a returned pass straight back to the cb…instead to giving oppo something to think about when he’s in possession
and because he is so good, he’ll draw more attention, creating more space for those elsewhere.
the guy is class
add to that…he then goes and scores an absolute banger. What a player. Said it few months back…on this trajectory, he should be in the England squad
…and he’s ours wahoooo
It’s been a pleasure to watch mainoo flourish so quickly. I remember his debut, he was quiet but efficient but didn’t stand out.
The injury delayed his progress last season but boy did his talents start to unfold quickly. He Is the real deal and I think he will only get better.
The injury delayed his progress last season but boy did his talents start to unfold quickly. He Is the real deal and I think he will only get better.
Does this even need to be asked now?
On redcafe yes
Even if at 19 he has reached his peak, he's still the real deal and will anchor our midfield for 5 more years minimum. Likely, though, he will mature and develop his game and get better, in which case he's on track to being world class. The coaches and staff who brought him through the academy should be given big fat stacks of cash.
18 saddos probably wearing sky blue shirts.
If someone told you he'd be starting a euros final this time last year you'd tell them to pull the other one.
Ridiculous view on a great player for the club. So how does it explain winning the FA cup with him in the team? He wasn’t playing in the FA cup last season and we lost it going by your logic. I get what you’re trying to say but Mainoo isn’t like Pogba who performed well for a few games just to make himself stand out and look good. Mainoo actually elevates the players round him and allows the team to play better more fluid attacking football.
18 of you should hang your heads in shame.