Is it time Amorim promotes some of the youth?

I think he would have liked too but we don’t have many dead rubber/low priority games where we could put them in. If we won two of the opening three EL games under ETH, we probably could have used these last two group games as just that.

If we get past Arsenal in the FA Cup 3rd round tie and land some non-PL side in the 4th round, then maybe that too.
 
Or we don't do this, we also supplement the team with good recruitment and dramatically climb up the table. Here is our reality, we are going to need upgrades in several positions, off head;
  • LCB
  • CF
  • LAM
  • LWB
  • Possibly CCB
  • CM
That could be a mammoth £320m bill and we can't do it at once but if don't do it the team will keep collapsing due to the weakest links breaking under pressure. However, if young players, say young Fletcher and Gore take up the CM and LAM roles (wildly optimistic here) and join the rotation with a back in form Kobie, Mount, Garnacho and Bruno for the two roles we could postpone the midfield signings and focus on the really weak areas first.

I am sure just signing;
  • LWB £40m
  • LCB £40m
  • CF £70m
  • CCB £50
For £200m supplemented by the sale of Rashford, Malacia, Martinez, Shaw etc to bring down the net spend to about £120m will be more manageable.
No midfielders or 10s, that is insane. We literally don't have 2 good CMs between them.
 
No, it is time we sell deadwood, INEOS support Amorim by buying some experienced key players (like wingbacks), then we can discuss youth.

Garnacho, Dalot - both need to be sold. Rashford and Casemiro as well, if anybody buys them. I won't cry if Bruno is also sold, as well, as long as we buy somebody who can actually play and be fit, not somebody like Mount

You do not sign a manager mid-season if you are not prepared to get him some signings in January. Feck INEOS and their bullshit, I am sick of them just talking and not doing what needs to be done
 
No, it is time we sell deadwood, INEOS support Amorim by buying some experienced key players (like wingbacks), then we can discuss youth.

Where is the money coming from to buy these players though, the club doesny have any money available to spend because of PSR and already owe out around 350m to other clubs for previous signings.

The best we can probably hope for in January is a couple of decent loan signings to tide us over until the summer.
 
Where is the money coming from to buy these players though, the club doesny have any money available to spend because of PSR and already owe out around 350m to other clubs for previous signings.

The best we can probably hope for in January is a couple of decent loan signings to tide us over until the summer.
The whole no money thing is a bit of a myth.

It will be proven incorrect very soon.
 
I’m expecting money will be spent yes.

Posters saying there’s zero funds and the best we can do is a loan will look silly next month.

Its been a 3 or 4 seasons since we last spent in January, we always have to stick to only loan signings in that window due to PSR.
 
I'd say it's either go all in with the youth players as a group or keep them all away from the first team as a group. What isn't working is slowly introducing them one at a time, there's too many fires to put out emanating from the senior players to give the young players the guidance they need to develop. I feel this is the case with Mainoo, he looks like a player that will follow instructions very well but he's surrounded by chaos merchants, whereas Amad clearly benefited from spending time away from this dumpster fire of a club.
 
I'm always for implementing youth. Thing is, we're already using a lot of youth. Too much maybe. Sure, not all of them have grown up in the greater Manchester area but are youth nonetheless.
 
Some crazy views in here. Seems it's either all or nothing with people. Very one sided views. The reality is youth players and football is a million miles away from the EPL. The likes of Dalot, who has been poor at LWB is considerably better currently than a youth left back like Amass. If the individual players demonstrate in training that they are ready, I am sure they will be picked, as Amorim is known for trusting youth, but they need to be softly blooded into a team, and not a terrible one!

The reason class of 92 worked is because a few excellent youth players were integrated into a high performing squad with an excellent culture - these players could learn from more senior pros - the reality is our youth have got no role models currently
 
Some things can depend on January window, but seriously, how long Amorim can play the role of mr. nice guy to experienced players who have less to offer than younger talents ?

At some point it's inevitable. Question is when, with rising indication on 'sooner than the feckin DoF you had the ability to throw out the window'.
 
In the past, older players generally had a longer shelf life because it was clear that players like Giggs, Carrick, VDS, Rooney, Scholes, etc were still incredibly driven and hungry for success, as well as being experienced winners and top pros. It made sense to keep them for as long as possible even if it meant younger players didn't maybe get chances.

With the current crop they can be sacked off as soon as the kids are ready because quite frankly their attitude is pathetic and they're foisting a holiday camp mentality on the club.

The work Amorim does with the youngsters could help us create a new culture at the club because he can be instrumental in setting high standards. We are now out of the League Cup but the kids should still be getting opportunities where possible.
 
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Yes. It can't get any worse.

The kids will bring in a higher level of energy plus more likely to win their individual duels. Though the end results could be the same. But at least it will shake out the current 1st teamers out of their complacency
 
Where is the money coming from to buy these players though, the club doesny have any money available to spend because of PSR and already owe out around 350m to other clubs for previous signings.

The best we can probably hope for in January is a couple of decent loan signings to tide us over until the summer.
1. Please dont fall to Glazers + INEOS bullshit
2. Even if we didn't have other income, we can raise cash by selling Garna, Dalot, Rashford and maybe even Casemiro

This is what Berrada et al are here for - to run the club. If there was no skill and effort required, wtf are they getting multi-million salaries for?
 
As long current crop is in first team, no, they moment you mix them with those cnuts, it will rub on them and they will pick all bad habits. There is reason why new signings look decent first 1-3 months and then they get a rot which leads them to become new deadwoods.
 
Awful conditions to throw them into. We’ve done this Rashford, Garnacho and Mainoo and I think, to varying degrees, it’s negatively impacted their development to be honest. Let the players that got us here take the hits for now.
Did it, though? Feels like huge boosts so far.
But if the talents aren't Pedri/Gavi/Yamal level it could be the end rather than the beginning, indeed, but if you're just waiting out of fear, then the beginning wil never... begin?
 
I would like to see Gore, Amass, and Collyer play. I don’t know if they will thrive or wilt but they care, and youth play their hearts out to get in the first team. That would be a nice change.

From what I’ve seen Amass is better than our other fullbacks, and Gore is pretty good at looking after the ball. Collyer can’t be much worse at giving the ball away cheaply as our regular midfield, so hey ho. Why not.

This season is fecked anyway, might be nice to care about our team and players once again.
 
Some crazy views in here. Seems it's either all or nothing with people. Very one sided views. The reality is youth players and football is a million miles away from the EPL. The likes of Dalot, who has been poor at LWB is considerably better currently than a youth left back like Amass. If the individual players demonstrate in training that they are ready, I am sure they will be picked, as Amorim is known for trusting youth, but they need to be softly blooded into a team, and not a terrible one!

The reason class of 92 worked is because a few excellent youth players were integrated into a high performing squad with an excellent culture - these players could learn from more senior pros - the reality is our youth have got no role models currently
Personally think Amass is better than both Dalot and Malacia, but he’s still so young, so I would guess they aren’t rushing. Give him a couple more protected years before the trial by fire, is probably the plan, but I hope he’s deemed ready soon.
 
Personally think Amass is better than both Dalot and Malacia, but he’s still so young, so I would guess they aren’t rushing. Give him a couple more protected years before the trial by fire, is probably the plan, but I hope he’s deemed ready soon.
I think it's impossible to tell - Amass has no experience playing against men - so many youth players show promise but never make it past League 1 as a career. Amass may turn out to be a star but it's a BIG shout to think he is better than a Portugal international regular. He must not be showing what Amorim wants in training or I'm sure he'd be given a chance given as have no LWB available
 
I think it's impossible to tell - Amass has no experience playing against men - so many youth players show promise but never make it past League 1 as a career. Amass may turn out to be a star but it's a BIG shout to think he is better than a Portugal international regular. He must not be showing what Amorim wants in training or I'm sure he'd be given a chance given as have no LWB available
They were only preseason friendlies wherein he played against men, but those men were in Arsenal shirts. Anyway, it’s tricky to push them too fast cuz then the entire fanbase writes them off or hails them as the new messiah. With Amass, he has better dribbling and defending skills than Dalot but that doesn’t mean he’s better in the team than Dalot. I agree with this. Bit if you compare Dalot , who is 25, to Amass who is 17, it’s literally man against boy. But I think Amass shows a lot higher potential than Dalot did at a similar age when he joined us 6 years ago at age 19. I also think Amass looks like a more natural fit for the role. Dalot has been largely reliable, rarely flashy, but has always struggled (in my opinion) with the attacking side of playing fullback.

I’d like Amass to get some minutes and then start some matches once we’re guaranteed to avoid the drop.
 
Since Amorim has rotated his squad alot, once we come away from the relegation zones he has to give chances to youth during this "free testing half season".

We could be losing our Cole Palmer or more accurately - our youngsters dont get the opportunity to be the next cole palmer and end up playing in League 1 as they havent progressed with upward projection simply because they havent been given a chance to do so.
 
Who do we have that can make the jump? This squad is absolutely bereft of pace and intensity. The best footballers are players and athletes. At the moment we don’t even have athletes. That’s the baseline.
 
Dalot is useless on the left and Casemiro and Eiksen are too slow to play in this system, so for me, I can't see how Amass and Collyer at least, could be any worse.
 
I’m expecting money will be spent yes.

Posters saying there’s zero funds and the best we can do is a loan will look silly next month.
Ruben Amorim tonight on strengthening in January: "We don't have that possibility in January. You know that situation.

Ridiculous situation to bring in a new manager and when no funds available for him in the Jan window. Might as well have kept Ten Hag or Rudd on until the end of the season.
 
Ridiculous situation to bring in a new manager and when no funds available for him in the Jan window.
Why? A head coach (which he effectively is) is expected to coach the squad he has got. There is not necessarily a reason why he should get new signings.
 
Why? A head coach (which he effectively is) is expected to coach the squad he has got. There is not necessarily a reason why he should get new signings.
Any new manager at this club also needs a few of his own signings and allowing a first window come and close without any is not acceptable.
 
Any new manager at this club also needs a few of his own signings and allowing a first window come and close without any is not acceptable.
But why? It always happens at other clubs that they change managers mid season and they are expected to improve results quickly. I just don't see why United should be different?
 
But why? It always happens at other clubs that they change managers mid season and they are expected to improve results quickly. I just don't see why United should be different?
11 games in it already appears the players aren't good enough to improve or play under the system the new manager wants. For one this team has been playing without a natural left back for a year and one shouldn't be asking why when United one of the biggest clubs in the world are only handful of points off the relegation zone.
 
Playing Casemiro and Eriksen both together over Collyer and Mainoo was Amorim's mistake. Hope he learns from this. These two should get the minutes from now on.
 
We shouldn’t rush anyone who isn’t ready. With the amount of scrutiny the team is under at the moment it could really be bad for their development.
 
Probably the biggest problem with promoting youngsters right now is the fact that the youth teams don't play the same system as the first team. Until that changes it would be totally unfair and unrepresentative of their ability sticking a teenager in.
 
I’d loan Zirkzee back to someone in Serie A to make it easier to sell in the summer and bring Wheatley into the squad. Think Collyer should also be given a chance at times as well. I don’t think anyone else is ready to be thrown into this mess though and it won’t do them any favours.

I think results will improve over second half of the season as the schedule eases and maybe we’lll see some of the younger players brought into the fold then.