Is it time Amorim promotes some of the youth?

I can’t see how Biancheri, Amass, Gore, Fletcher , Obi-Martin and Ibragimov could do any worse than the current players. Or at least deserve a chance on the bench. Definitely Amads makes sense I am sick of Dalot at left back just give him a chance
 
Why not? It worked for Barca and kind of did for us in the recent times. Surely we’ve got players from the academy for the 10 and left back positions.
 
werent Rahsford, Chong, Mainoo, Garnacho… all youths at some points?
 
Here's what will happen.

Amorim promotes youth.
One or two of them do exceptionally well and become first team regulars within three months.
After some top performances, they get massive new contracts.
After 6 - 18 months of them doing well but the team not getting consistent results, their individual performances drop off.
Fans start criticising them and say they're the problem now after Amorim is sacked
The two players, now slightly older, are dropped and a poster on Red Cafe asks "is it time to for the new manager to give youth a go."
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Here's what will happen.

Amorim promotes youth.
One or two of them do exceptionally well and become first team regulars within three months.
After some top performances, they get massive new contracts.
After 6 - 18 months of them doing well but the team not getting consistent results, their individual performances drop off.
Fans start criticising them and say they're the problem now after Amorim is sacked
The two players, now slightly older, are dropped and a poster on Red Cafe asks "is it time to for the new manager to give youth a go."
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This time, we stop at point 2 and don't give them massive new contracts. We give them stepwise increments. If they want to leave because they feel unloved, we sell and hopefully for a nice sum of money.

We can't continue to give 21 year olds huge contracts. That must stop.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Here's what will happen.

Amorim promotes youth.
One or two of them do exceptionally well and become first team regulars within three months.
After some top performances, they get massive new contracts.
After 6 - 18 months of them doing well but the team not getting consistent results, their individual performances drop off.
Fans start criticising them and say they're the problem now after Amorim is sacked
The two players, now slightly older, are dropped and a poster on Red Cafe asks "is it time to for the new manager to give youth a go."
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Or we don't do this, we also supplement the team with good recruitment and dramatically climb up the table. Here is our reality, we are going to need upgrades in several positions, off head;
  • LCB
  • CF
  • LAM
  • LWB
  • Possibly CCB
  • CM
That could be a mammoth £320m bill and we can't do it at once but if don't do it the team will keep collapsing due to the weakest links breaking under pressure. However, if young players, say young Fletcher and Gore take up the CM and LAM roles (wildly optimistic here) and join the rotation with a back in form Kobie, Mount, Garnacho and Bruno for the two roles we could postpone the midfield signings and focus on the really weak areas first.

I am sure just signing;
  • LWB £40m
  • LCB £40m
  • CF £70m
  • CCB £50
For £200m supplemented by the sale of Rashford, Malacia, Martinez, Shaw etc to bring down the net spend to about £120m will be more manageable.
 
There’s very little room for defensive mistakes in his system as the players covering hasnt fully settled in and aren’t able to cover all your mistakes. Just look at Malacia who did a mistake or two which has lead to either goals or conceding dangerous chances.

Not sure a young player in a defensive position has the best chances of succeeding now, maybe at AMC or striker it’s an easier chance to take.
 
If they suit the balance of the team, and are ready, sure. But promoting them for the sake of it - no.

Amass at LWB would be interesting to see. Ideally in a cup game to start with.

However in general I think these kids need to have successful loans in the Championship or League One first.
 
Trequarista10 said:
If they suit the balance of the team, and are ready, sure. But promoting them for the sake of it - no.

Amass at LWB would be interesting to see. Ideally in a cup game to start with.

However in general I think these kids need to have successful loans in the Championship or League One first.
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This is where it tends to go wrong for our promising kids. That first loan move is so important for their development and we tend to almost always make the wrong decision.

We've clearly got some talent amongst the youth but we manage them appallingly.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
This is where it tends to go wrong for our promising kids. That first loan move is so important for their development and we tend to almost always make the wrong decision.

We've clearly got some talent amongst the youth but we manage them appallingly.
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Yeah, too often we have been too ambitious and they end up not playing. I think a lot of people who only follow the PL - both fans and players - underestimate the quality of lower leagues.

The Championship is a very tough league. Teams are competitive with PL sides. Players earn vast sums, they are high level pros. The clubs have huge pressure from fervent fanbases, and there's tens of millions on the line with promotion/relegation, so they won't play youngsters if they aren't ready. Its an enormous step up from youth level. Only excellent prospects should go to the Championship - and if they go too soon, they might not play.

League One is also very good these days. Bit more of a mix with some smaller clubs, but even then teams play proper football. It's not been a hoof and rush league for quite a while. IMO we should be more willing to loan to L1 clubs. Its a much higher standard than youth football. Many of our youth players would do well to get games for a L1 side. Need to be selective to get the right ones.
 
Trequarista10 said:
If they suit the balance of the team, and are ready, sure. But promoting them for the sake of it - no.

Amass at LWB would be interesting to see. Ideally in a cup game to start with.

However in general I think these kids need to have successful loans in the Championship or League One first.
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We will be playing in the Championship next season anyway so no need to loan them
 
wolvored said:
We’re damned if we do and damned if we dont
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Really? When have United been damned for introducing an academy player? In fact, we love when a Januzaj or a Rashford or a Mainoo breaks through.

Personally, I would love to see Gore get a chance. He looked very good to me whenever he got a chance. One or two of the highly touted attacking player getting minutes would be exciting too as I feel we lack both quality and numbers in the #10 position.
 
Don't usually agree with the "x can't be worse than Y" but in the case of Obi Martin and Zirkzee it surely is true. I'd like to see him get a few minutes.
 
Amorim talks about teaching the players his methods now and not waiting until next season. Youth players should be much more receptive to these methods. So I think this is a good idea. Certainly for the likes of Obi Martin, Amass etc.
 
So we are losing 2 nil or 3 nil. Why not put a youngster on ? And by some luck we are winning we can do the same..

I don't think u18 are physically weak or not ready.

And one more thing is this should show the first team they are not indispensable. A lot of them knows our psr and pretty sure that they can stay till end of contract.
 
Not enough leader figure to tell them what to do when the pressure is on. I'd love it to happen personally but it seems to be similar to throwing your kids into an adult swimming pool. If they drown they might get traumatized.
 
Why would we want to ruin even more youngsters? Now is not the time.
 
I think the only youth teamer who could probably do a job would be Collyer next to Ugarte. As for the others they just aren't ready. These tactics require a level of physicality/athletic ability (which is a big reason why we are struggling). The only academy product at the moment who I think can tick that box is Collyer.
 
I am sure just signing;
  • LWB £40m
  • LCB £40m
  • CF £70m
  • CCB £50
For £200m supplemented by the sale of Rashford, Malacia, Martinez, Shaw etc to bring down the net spend to about £120m will be more manageable.

LWB we don't need to spend a fortune take Alvaro back ( we have a buy back clause)
LCB not needed we have Kukoni
we need a goalscoring center forward and a midfileder to cover for Ugarte and compliment him. Midfiled be be Ugarte, New DM, and Moorhouse
 
dutchred said:
I am sure just signing;
  • LWB £40m, LCB £40m, CF £70m, CCB £50
For £200m supplemented by the sale of Rashford, Malacia, Martinez, Shaw etc to bring down the net spend to about £120m will be more manageable.

LWB we don't need to spend a fortune take Alvaro back ( we have a buy back clause)
LCB not needed we have Kukoni
we need a goalscoring center forward and a midfileder to cover for Ugarte and compliment him. Midfiled be be Ugarte, New DM, and Moorhouse
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He’s 16.
 
dutchred said:
I am sure just signing;
  • LWB £40m
  • LCB £40m
  • CF £70m
  • CCB £50
For £200m supplemented by the sale of Rashford, Malacia, Martinez, Shaw etc to bring down the net spend to about £120m will be more manageable.

LWB we don't need to spend a fortune take Alvaro back ( we have a buy back clause)
LCB not needed we have Kukoni
we need a goalscoring center forward and a midfileder to cover for Ugarte and compliment him. Midfiled be be Ugarte, New DM, and Moorhouse
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You’re forgetting the number #10 position. We need a massive improvement here. I really like that Gonçalves from sporting. Knows the role very well.
 
DJ_21 said:
You’re forgetting the number #10 position. We need a massive improvement here. I really like that Gonçalves from sporting. Knows the role very well.
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I was thinking Moorhouse in the Goncalves role
 
I don’t know if now is the the time to bring up the youth players, but I hope Amorim plans on it soon, after we get through these next three nasty fixtures. Our season will soon be shredded of any hope of a top ten finish or EL cup glory, but we’re also pretty safe from relegation.

He’s seen what he needs to see from the first team players, although I would like to see Heaton given a go, but once we get through these next next 2-3 weeks I do think it’s time to bring up a few of the most promising young players.
 
Its time we try Amass or sell him.

We will be targeting another young LB player to come soon so we have to make a quick decision about Amass & i actually think he has some sale value.
 
He will have no choice in the next 3 or 4 games with injuries, suspensions and alienating certain players.

He will need to be bold and start to include 2 or 3 from our youth set up.
 
We are getting near bottom 3 and people want to give the young players age 17-19 years old the responsibility to "save" the club? It doesn't seem fair. A young player must play if he is good enough and the time is right, not because we panic.
 
Amorim's trying to incorporate two teenagers Yoro and Mainoo into the system. Then there are 20 year olds Garnacho and Collier. Think that's enough for the time being. The others are just too young and inexperienced for an unforgiving environment like the prem.
 
Insanity said:
Really? When have United been damned for introducing an academy player? In fact, we love when a Januzaj or a Rashford or a Mainoo breaks through.

Personally, I would love to see Gore get a chance. He looked very good to me whenever he got a chance. One or two of the highly touted attacking player getting minutes would be exciting too as I feel we lack both quality and numbers in the #10 position.
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I was on about the difference of opinion on this thread. I have said on other threads that we should try giving different youth players minutes at the end of games. See if any can step up.
 
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