Is it time Amorim promotes some of the youth?

On the overall thread, it depends on the squad balance. We are currently in a volatile state on the pitch. We dont have many true leaders (Amorims words/hints lately). I dont think we have the people to throw an arm around the younger lads finding their feet. It may have been possible years ago, but the scrutiny is massive. Social media, Sky Sports studio (and others) breaking down everything to fill airtime. In this day and age it can be too much too soon.

We already heavily rely in one go on (in last year) Garnacho, Mainoo, Amad, Hojlund/Zirkzee in and underperforming team. Adding in more to that is a fine balance, with the eyes and heat on us it can break many, including those I have named (as we have seen with nearly all mentioned).

I think it is important to have the youth in training, match day squads etc but I'd be very careful of introducing them at this moment in time, protecting their future and our assets.
 
Minkaro said:
Jesus, Yamal coming through at 16 has broken some of the people in here.

“So and so hasn’t made it at 21, he’s basically past it and needs to retire”

“If this guy doesn’t get a chance at 18, we need to consider selling him.”

“I reckon we should sell Zirkzee and call up the u12s striker. It’s sink or swim time.”
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Not entirely true.

No one has said he needs to start every game.. what fans are questioning is his ability or asking if he is any good. When you cannot get into the team as a backup when 2 players who are clearly not good enough in Casemiro and Eriksen, then it is a fair question, regardless the age.

You can mention Yamal but Kobbie got in because he was good enough at 17, Yoro at 18. There is a shift of players getting into teams at a very early age and football is becoming a younger person's game. This is highlighted by the fact that most clubs want to sign u25 players.

We can look anywhere, its not Yamal. There are many many examples in the PL that players U21 making it in teams.
 
I imagine Collyer will be sold. I think his energy would work well in an Amorim system however, his overall technical ability in terms of close control, taking the ball under pressure etc I'm not really impressed by. Additionally, we are in a situation where we are crying out for midfield bodies. That he hasn't even had a look in under Amorim makes me think he's not really rated by him. He's 21 and should ideally be playing football somewhere.
 
yes, for FA games. Anyone step up should be enlisted into the 1st team for the rest of season.
 
top1whoisman said:
A 0-7 would do wonders for their confidence.
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So you believe ANY U19 would do any worse than Casemiro + Eriksen combo?

And worse, what if Martinez breaks his leg again like 1st season? De Ligt is another serious concern. Rotation is a must.
 
After watching Chido tonight, he should at least join the first team for training like Moorehouse and others.
 
The league is gone. Play Chido and Heaven in the PL and FA Cup.

For EL, we need to start with strong team to win it.
 
Yeah. Do that and if they show any modicum of talent they will be sold before they get back in the dressing room.
 
Watching the 2 kids playing for Arsenal yesterday was refreshing, just give them a go, whats the worst that can happen...?

Chido
Heaven
Kone
Amass
Lacey
Fletcher lads
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Biancheri gets moved up to the first team when he gets the cast off his arm.
 
Marcus said:
There is now no choice. That's also kind of exciting.
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Well he has the choice of not promoting anyone and persisting with what’s already not working, which is like trying to ignite a flame with a toilet brush.
Yakuza_devils said:
The league is gone. Play Chido and Heaven in the PL and FA Cup.

For EL, we need to start with strong team to win it.
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But surely we need something different. Ok the Europa League form is good. But that is our most important competition now and the one where I think we need a bit of extra firepower for, to win it
 
With how much Ineos has fecked Amorim he has little choice because we simply have a horribly thin squad now with Rashford and Antony loaned out and Martinez most likely done for the season based on how it looked

The thought of having to rely on Lindelof, Malacia or Casemiro when they’re nowhere near good enough or on Shaw and Mount remaining fit or Eriksen and Evans rolling back the years despite their age and legs virtually gone is scary

We’re going to have to look at giving minutes to all of Kukonki, Heaven, Amass, Kone, the Fletcher’s, Mantato, Ibragimov, Biancheri, Lacey and Obi Martin and hope that at least some of them make the same transition that Garnacho, Mainoo and Collyer have in the last couple of years
 
Marcus said:
There is now no choice. That's also kind of exciting.
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Agree, hoping it could be a Rashford LVG type of moment (hopefully without the bitter end) where at least one of them just shines.
 
davidmichael said:
With how much Ineos has fecked Amorim he has little choice because we simply have a horribly thin squad now with Rashford and Antony loaned out and Martinez most likely done for the season based on how it looked

The thought of having to rely on Lindelof, Malacia or Casemiro when they’re nowhere near good enough or on Shaw and Mount remaining fit or Eriksen and Evans rolling back the years despite their age and legs virtually gone is scary

We’re going to have to look at giving minutes to all of Kukonki, Heaven, Amass, Kone, the Fletcher’s, Mantato, Ibragimov, Biancheri, Lacey and Obi Martin and hope that at least some of them make the same transition that Garnacho, Mainoo and Collyer have in the last couple of years
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Apparently Malacia is going out on loan, so another one down. Maybe why Amass is being held onto.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Apparently Malacia is going out on loan, so another one down. Maybe why Amass is being held onto.
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Martinez is apparently out until Christmas too according to reports in Argentina so already we’re down to bare bones and it’s deadline day but we have no money so it’s the kids or run what we have into the ground and risk relegation
 
Well we will continue to have a goalscoring problem if we pay to have our forwards - Sancho, Rashford and Antony - play for other clubs. While we would expect to pay a loan fee and pick up the wages of any loan to us - it is incredibly a different story when we need to push players out and incredibly we pick up a portion of their wages.

And worse there is zero sign of replacing ANY of them.

Our transfer policy sucks to heaven and it is all on Ineos and their masters, the Glazers.
 
Youth...? In case it was missed, we had the following starting on Sunday...

Yoro (18)
Mainoo (19)
Garnacho (20)
Amad (22)
Ugarte (23)

The youngest player in the Palace starting XI was Maxence Lacroix, who is 25 in 2-months. They only had one other player u25, Chris Richards, who is 25 next month.

Alan Hansen would have had something to say about this.
 
Has no option but to now. Bunch of outgoings, which a lot of people have asked for, no one coming in to replace them. We've seen the squad isn't good enough as it is so some players are going to have to step up massively and some kids are going to have to come in and develop fast but this season just officially became a write off.
 
As @Lentwood pointed out, we're already starting plenty of youth in the likes of Yoro, Mainoo, Garnacho, Amad, Collyer. And we've just signed a likely first choice WB who's 20. And even a comparatively experienced player like Ugarte is still only 23 and pretty new to the club / country.

So I really don't think we have a shortage of young players featuring in the first team right now. And as a regular watcher of the U18s and U21s (whenever they're shown!) there's really not many other players there that feel close to first team ready.

There's a good amount of promising prospects, but most are 18 or under. And none stand out as being really close to first team ready. With a good amount being out on loan, I presume people are thinking of the likes of Obi, Biancheri, Scanlon, Ibragimov, Kone, Amass, Kukonki and the new signing Heaven? All of those are teenagers, some as young as 16 and 17. Out of those, I think Obi and Heaven are the most likely to get any game time, but I don't think we should be rushing it and they should only really be cameo sub appearances rather than (m)any starts.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
As @Lentwood pointed out, we're already starting plenty of youth in the likes of Yoro, Mainoo, Garnacho, Amad, Collyer. And we've just signed a likely first choice WB who's 20. And even a comparatively experienced player like Ugarte is still only 23 and pretty new to the club / country.

So I really don't think we have a shortage of young players featuring in the first team right now. And as a regular watcher of the U18s and U21s (whenever they're shown!) there's really not many other players there that feel close to first team ready.

There's a good amount of promising prospects, but most are 18 or under. And none stand out as being really close to first team ready. With a good amount being out on loan, I presume people are thinking of the likes of Obi, Biancheri, Scanlon, Ibragimov, Kone, Amass, Kukonki and the new signing Heaven? All of those are teenagers, some as young as 16 and 17. Out of those, I think Obi and Heaven are the most likely to get any game time, but I don't think we should be rushing it and they should only really be cameo sub appearances rather than (m)any starts.
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People underestimate the value of experience and organisation.

Mentioned it a few times now but me and a mate used to use the term "old-manned",
which is basically when you would see a team of talented but disorganised teenagers get beaten by a bunch of incredibly mediocre, (often unfit) middle-aged men in amateur football.

Same has been applying to us this season. We have four/five/six u23s on the pitch t any given time and it really shows. Last thing we need now is more teenagers to be thrown to the seasoned professionals to devour.
 
cyril C said:
So you believe ANY U19 would do any worse than Casemiro + Eriksen combo?

And worse, what if Martinez breaks his leg again like 1st season? De Ligt is another serious concern. Rotation is a must.
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You had to jinx the poor fellow with this hypothetical.
 
friendlytramp said:
You bring youth into a winning team
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Ideally yes, but there is no fixed rule. Fergie brought lots of young players into a fairly average team and won the league, to many people's surprise. LG brought in loads of young players, even though several were clearly not good enough. You can start giving them minutes and take it from there. I dont see we have much choice or much to lose.
 
Lentwood said:
Youth...? In case it was missed, we had the following starting on Sunday...

Yoro (18)
Mainoo (19)
Garnacho (20)
Amad (22)
Ugarte (23)

The youngest player in the Palace starting XI was Maxence Lacroix, who is 25 in 2-months. They only had one other player u25, Chris Richards, who is 25 next month.

Alan Hansen would have had something to say about this.
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Didn't Wharton play who is 18?
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Didn't Wharton play who is 18?
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He came off the bench for them. The post was listing our young starters and saying the youngest players in the Palace starting XI were 24.

And Wharton's not 18, he's just turned 21. Still young, but older than 3 of our starters (Yoro, Mainoo, Garnacho).
 
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Bertie Wooster said:
He came off the bench for them. The post was listing our young starters and saying the youngest players in the Palace starting XI were 24.

And Wharton's 21, not 18. Still young, but older than 3 of our starters (Yoro, Mainoo, Garnacho).
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He's older than I thought! Haven't seen much of him this season, wasn't (Wharton) being spoken about as £60/ £70m last year?
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
He's older than I thought! Haven't seen much of him this season, wasn't (Wharton) being spoken about as £60/ £70m last year?
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Yeah, he was. And maybe even higher figures.

He was a regular with Blackburn from the age of 18 - that's been said a lot when talking about his youth and talent in the last couple of seasons, so maybe that's why you're still thinking of him as being that age?
 
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