Boring and a massive coward. Looking forward to seeing this group of players under a brave manager.
Is Gareth Southgate a shiite England manager?
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Henderson for Bellingham sort of made sense, he wanted to sure up the midfield and the latter looked lethargic for whatever reason. But in a performance desperately lacking for a link between midfield and attack, Foden needed to be brought on.
No. No credit whatsoever. If he got sacked tomorrow, what club would he be managing next year?
I agree with this totally. I would have had him on too. But Pep was dropping him for games and resting him in the league later on, so wondering if there might be an issue?
He should without a doubt be a starter for England though. Agreed.
Fair point but given how ordinary Foden has looked for England I’m not sure he’d have been much better. Southgate should have tried Foden in a midfield 3 instead of thinking he can plug him in on the wings as Citeh do but now we’re here Foden not being on the wing is understandable.
Being dominated by the US won't do much for the confidence. If the players are shackled and set up not to lose the first half decent team they play..
He has not learnt from the previous two feckups, two very very winnable games which he utterly fecked up the subs.
I gurantee it'll happen again.
He has not learnt from the previous two feckups, two very very winnable games which he utterly fecked up the subs.
I gurantee it'll happen again.
I would wager that the team spirit and morale is dissipating a little due to lack of meritocracy and competition for places. There’s so many parallels with Ole here, don’t care what anyone says it’s plain as day.
That was a very strange statement, they kept passing between the back four and yes occasionally they found an outlet, but generally it was so slow and ponderous.
We need to take chances in the knockout stage.
That Italy game sticks out badly for me. If Southgate had ANYTHING about him he'd try to win games. Guarantee you he's fecking ecstatic with a point today, because that's the sort of manager he is.
I think generally it's tough for the attacking players under Southgate.
I don't think you get much freedom. 90% of our goals under Southgate are from Kane and Sterling. It seems like everyone else is under very rigid negative instructions.
I agree though, I don't think Foden has done anything in an England shirt to say he definitely deserves to be playing, but neither has Mount and if you go off club form Foden is miles better.
He has a core of favourites that he seems to play no matter what.
This is the real reason.
Yes, unfortunately Ole rarely changed the team, unlike Ten Hag who has, rightly or wrongly, put players into the team who I wouldn't have thought of, it does keep players on their toes, and gives the opposition a dilemma. Southgate is very similar, can't see many changes for the Wales game.
After persian feast slapped back to reality by the mighty US soccer team 
, jesus christ, such an easy group and you won't get full points at the end of round 3.
, jesus christ, such an easy group and you won't get full points at the end of round 3.Yes
Yes
I'm not British, is this a parody account? It's got "take" in the name so I assume it is
Yep, I agree.
Southgate has fallen prey to the idea of Mason Mount not the actual player, I didn’t pay much attention to the Nations League games so I’m shocked to see Mount starting to be honest.
Southgate has restricted his options with his underutilisation of the attacking players he’s had at his disposal over the past few years.
It is, but the Daily Mail cannot tell the difference and have quoted it approvingly.
That’s how Kane plays, he’s basically a false 9 without the dribbling but makes up for it with his passing ability.
He is very pragmatic which makes him a good tournament manager to secure decent progress for a low or mid-range country. A bit like Queiroz or Santos.
The problem arises when you meet a really good side. How do you infuse confidence that you can beat Spain or Brazil after going all negative and crapping your pants over the low probability of dropping the ball against US and Wales?
Saka had a shite game, out of nowhere? Same kid that scored two the other day, had the balls to take a peno vs Italy and again had them earlier this season for Arsenal v Liverpool with the game on the line.
Emasculating.
The problem arises when you meet a really good side. How do you infuse confidence that you can beat Spain or Brazil after going all negative and crapping your pants over the low probability of dropping the ball against US and Wales?
Saka had a shite game, out of nowhere? Same kid that scored two the other day, had the balls to take a peno vs Italy and again had them earlier this season for Arsenal v Liverpool with the game on the line.
Emasculating.
They didn't do as well as they did because of Southgate, but rather in spite of him. And I disagree about struggling to win with another manager. I know nobody likes to rate England, but this England team is deeper than any team in the world. Everyone talks about Brazil but their front 3 wouldn't even start for England apart for Vin Jr
There's a reason why he got sacked by Middlesbrough and no Premier League team would hire him
Kane was Englands best defender today, Pickford had most forward passes he was your best attacker.
One good game against Iran and there were posters claiming England to be 'very good'. Back to being shit against a half decent opponent.
Also I smell heartbreak coming vs Wales
We're not losing 4-0 to Wales.
ok if goal difference is the decider then not but I am not sure if that is the case
It's goal difference.
We'd have to lose 4-0 to Wales to suffer heartbreak and it's not happening.
I'm not even saying we won't lose to them, but it won't be 4-0.
You guys are all moaners. With a draw you're through. Even a big loss can do it. It's classic Southgate - last time you went far, you were boring as hell in the first couple of games too.
The boring conservative style works well for cup competition. And you haven't won a cup for ages. I'd give Southgate more credit if I was you. He's taken you way further than any other manager in decades.
The boring conservative style works well for cup competition. And you haven't won a cup for ages. I'd give Southgate more credit if I was you. He's taken you way further than any other manager in decades.
They named it soccer and they came up with 3peat. You should have beaten them. You failed the world.
soccer 1 football 0
I really hate this narrative. It is nonsense.
Southgate’s tournament record is an absolute sham…
He has only beaten a very fecking average Germany side in Knockout football.
And lost to France, Croatia, and Belgium (x2)
Had we of been dumped out by a Denmark or a Colombia, he would have rightly been dragged through the streets.
and when he inevitably loses his job, he won’t get a job in the prem for love nor money
Normal service has resumed. That's much more like the England we all know and love.
I would agree with you, if it weren’t for the fact this is a load of bollocks.
Still, Argentina, Germany and Holland have all had disappointing performances as well. Belgium and Portugal were not entirely convincing.
I get that it’s dull and there should be potential for more, but it’s not a bad result.
I get that it’s dull and there should be potential for more, but it’s not a bad result.
But we weren’t, a very important distinction.
The best manager in the world thinks Foden is good enough for him but this guy knows better?
The performance tonight struck me that the team were more worried about losing the game then winning it. And that attitude comes from the manager, we have seen it before there is a tendency to go backwards when they should be going forwards.
I suppose you could argue it's a means to an end we didn't lose the game and it would take a real freak result to not qualify but we have seen when the going gets tough there is a tendency to lose ambition and fall backwards and it's very difficult to come back out of your shell when you hand good teams the iniative.
I suppose you could argue it's a means to an end we didn't lose the game and it would take a real freak result to not qualify but we have seen when the going gets tough there is a tendency to lose ambition and fall backwards and it's very difficult to come back out of your shell when you hand good teams the iniative.
so scrapping passed mediocre teams to get beat by half decent opposition is ok then.
the only difference between Southgate’s record and a Hoddle, Eriksen, or Capello is he had the good fortune to meet decent opposition later in tournaments.
A performance that would be familiar to any Newcastle fan during Steve Bruce’s stewardship. Weak and passive, devoid of any discernible style of plan, no sense of how to put together an attack and just hoping on a bit of individual brilliance. Combined with a refusal to make any changes or try and influence the game until it’s far too late.
Poor performances across the park except maybe Stones and Maguire. Grealish did more than when he came on than Mount in 90 minutes. Bellingham dealt with the post Algeria hype by going into hiding. Kane trying to plug the subsequent gap in midfield.
England will go through, and the goal difference vs Iran should probably mean they top the group. Don’t hold out much hope against better sides than the US.
Poor performances across the park except maybe Stones and Maguire. Grealish did more than when he came on than Mount in 90 minutes. Bellingham dealt with the post Algeria hype by going into hiding. Kane trying to plug the subsequent gap in midfield.
England will go through, and the goal difference vs Iran should probably mean they top the group. Don’t hold out much hope against better sides than the US.