This man was a Euro final win away from being knighted, comical for a shit manager.
Is Gareth Southgate a shiite England manager?
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The best physical comparison to his intelligence is that he’s like someone who will never be able to bench press more than his body weight. Not his fault, that’s just his limit.
England managers are why I never ever will get sucked into the hype. Leaving your best player(Foden) on the bench in a major tournament because you have to play the guys “ who got you here” is just a losing mentality. I’d rather be embarrassed playing exciting football than being frustrated and indifferent playing not to lose.
We've got a lot of forward talent, agreed, but still think we lack players to get the ball to them, similar to how United have struggled with Maguire and McFred in defence and midfield over the past few years. Bellingham is better at progressing the ball but can't rely solely on a 19 year old to do it every game.
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He’s a numpty.
At club management level he’d get mauled in the PL, and he knows it.
A poser, a salesman, a yes-man, and above all a charlatan.
I’ll never forgive him for that Euros final in match tactics and line up, LET ALONE the penalty decisions.
Should’ve been sacked the next day.
At club management level he’d get mauled in the PL, and he knows it.
A poser, a salesman, a yes-man, and above all a charlatan.
I’ll never forgive him for that Euros final in match tactics and line up, LET ALONE the penalty decisions.
Should’ve been sacked the next day.
Looking at results over process is a great way to get smacked when luck isn’t on your side as a team.
Bellingham and Rice both have the passing range to progress the ball, as do Stones and Shaw. But Sterling and Kane offer 0 threat in running behind a backline, and Mount isn’t the type of player to make up for that with runs in behind from midfield.
I think you either start Rashford on the left and have him play the role he does with United in stretching the pitch, and probably start Henderson alongside Rice to allow Bellingham the freedom further up the pitch. Would add some control in the middle of the pitch. Or you could start Foden as the most advanced midfielder but I don’t know how that helps the midfield as much.
I’d also probably start Ben White over Trippier, gives a better passing option and more familiarity on that flank with Saka
Out of Sterling and Saka, it's Saka who doesn't have the pace to cause any problems in behind.
With the wealth of talent at his disposal (quite literally, considering he’s disposed the likes of Foden, Sancho, Toney and Wilson), England should be beating the USA comfortably rather than failing to create a single chance. Embarrassing performance.
As a non England fan I was in shock not seeing Foden start nevermind not come on so I only imagine how English fans would think of that decision
He already has been. Failed at Middlesbrough and then went and hung around St George's Park long enough until someone let him manage the under-21s.
Theres so much talent in the England squad and you lot see fit to ruin it by having a risk averse manager like him in charge.
I said the same a while ago. You've got an OAP driving what could potentially be an F1 car. England's defence isn't amazing but can be solid, everything ahead has stacks of talent. The right manager could have took England all the way in one of the last couple of tournaments I think.
I don’t think it’s Gareth. He is an average manager but most certainly not detrimental to their hopes for success. Fitness levels aren’t the greatest with this squad. Perhaps it’s because of the ludicrous number of games everyone is expected to play in the league season.
Yeah. Great analogy.
The CBs are probably their weakest position all other positions they have top quality in.
Aye he 100% shite.
It's smashing they keep him there because I think they will do a lot better without him.
Foden on the bench
mount playing has to be a will up.
So daft surprised that no one is going mad about it. Shades of scholes with Eriksen, theyve the talent there but seem to be doing the classic English thing of poor management and media is even worse but have influence.
It's smashing they keep him there because I think they will do a lot better without him.
Foden on the bench
mount playing has to be a will up.So daft surprised that no one is going mad about it. Shades of scholes with Eriksen, theyve the talent there but seem to be doing the classic English thing of poor management and media is even worse but have influence.
The same league season every other nation's players participate in? Lame excuse.
An average manager certainly will be detrimental to your team's hopes of success when you come across teams whose managers are above average, that just logically follows from use of the word average tbf.
What got you here won't get you there. He was the right man to stabilise the squad when he was first hired. The Euro loss was when it became obvious a change was needed. It's a bit like Ole after the loss in the Europa final.
who's the most shit of all ?
Southgate, Fernando Santos and Rob Page ?
Southgate, Fernando Santos and Rob Page ?
Santos atleast knows how to change the game using subs
That’s a terrible excuse, everyone else is facing the exact same issue.
Southgate has coasted on his luck with easy draws throughout his stint and he doesn’t have any clue on how to turn things around when England needs it against better opponents.
fecking hypocrite who claims he picks players based on their form when you watch him play his favourites no matter their form for club or country.
Problem is we haven't had that quality player on the ball since Scholesy. We just cannot seem to develop that player anymore unfortunately.
God I wish that was possible
Dread to think which yes man FA have in mind with Potter & Howe now off the table. Actually they will crawl into shell and keep Southgate on.
He's honestly useless. England have done well as they have up to this point over the last few years IN SPITE of Southgate. Not due to Southgate. This is the most talented group of English players in decades AND other countries aren't as stacked. If there's any time to win a big competition it's within this current 4 year block.
He wanted to draw against USA. For political reasons or tactical reasons, I am not sure but there's no way around it.
England just sat back and didn't press in opposition third, they only did so with 10 minutes left. USA didn't look like they had goals in them, no reason for such cowardly approach. Or maybe he's really that clueless...
Anyway it's such a horseshit match for audiences.
England just sat back and didn't press in opposition third, they only did so with 10 minutes left. USA didn't look like they had goals in them, no reason for such cowardly approach. Or maybe he's really that clueless...
Anyway it's such a horseshit match for audiences.
He is shite because he failed to utilise the most talented group of English player to play to their strength, and set up the team to play in pussy way in final match vs Italy.
But he also send England to Euro final last summer. He was also right about Saka (insist of playing him last Euro) and Sancho (see nothing special in him and drop him instead), which is correct decision in hindsight.
But he also send England to Euro final last summer. He was also right about Saka (insist of playing him last Euro) and Sancho (see nothing special in him and drop him instead), which is correct decision in hindsight.
I’ve just reminded myself of the routes England had in the last WC and Euros- my word we got lucky!! There is literally only one match that England won in both tournaments where they maybe weren’t strong favourites (Germany).
Amongst them though, there are a multitude of shocking performances and results- losing to Belgium twice and Croatia, struggling against Tunisia, drawing against Scotland etc etc.
Southgate has had competition draws that are so easy it almost looks rigged yet still has made extremely hard work of it. He seemed genuinely delighted by picking up a draw against the mens football powerhouse USA yesterday! Can’t stand the bloke!
Amongst them though, there are a multitude of shocking performances and results- losing to Belgium twice and Croatia, struggling against Tunisia, drawing against Scotland etc etc.
Southgate has had competition draws that are so easy it almost looks rigged yet still has made extremely hard work of it. He seemed genuinely delighted by picking up a draw against the mens football powerhouse USA yesterday! Can’t stand the bloke!
But you can say this about every team that meets opponents of big quality. Take France or Spain and you can go some years back and say they lost to x and y.
You scored a lot of goals against Iran and you’re through already after 2 games. Some part of the traditional english fan base is just soooo moany and have never been satisfied with anything. Considering you’ve rarely been a great team combined, and havent won since 66 (The year Eric was born
) your standard is somehow that you should reach the World cup or Euro finals and with many goals / great wins or else you’re shit.Last night is why his pragmatism will be his undoing.
This England team has no business playing as poorly as that.
This England team has no business playing as poorly as that.
Just charting our possible route to the final. We’d likely meet Ecuador in the last 16, who looked tougher opponents than the US last night in their game against Holland. If we got through to the quarters we’d then probably be playing France, and if Southgate try’s to play deep against the French we’ll be hammered.
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Have England ever beaten a genuinely decent side with Southgate as manager?
I'm struggling to think of one.
He may be a good 'man manager' but we need a far more tactically astute coach to stand a chance against anyone half decent.
It depends a lot on what you mean by decent team but they beat Spain, Croatia, Belgium and Germany.
Southgate's in game management is genuinely horrific. He's happy to watch and wait while we cede possession and territory to an inferior team for large parts of the game.
His post match comments were completely bizarre. Almost like playing for a 0-0 was the gameplan.
His post match comments were completely bizarre. Almost like playing for a 0-0 was the gameplan.
Tactically miles off it
This is pretty much sums up Southgate’s limitations. Neither he or Steve Holland seem capable or have demonstrated any ability to change tactics, when we’re under pressure.
Yesterday anyone could see we we're getting out paced out run, so he puts on players that slow the game or are slow (I'm not including Rashford who got a few minutes). There was no proactivity to change the game, tactically, man-management he's not up to it.
I guarantee you he was absolutely delighted with the 0-0. Players looked under instructions to me. Just keep ball at best.
Southgate is flat for sure but the US have almost the same players England have, and mostly playing in the same competitions? I mean, it is not surprising to see a cagey game, pretty evenly matched.