It doesn’t come down to squads though, it comes down to team organisation and match management as teams like Morocco and Croatia have shown. Southgate is so poor in this regard. A passive and reactive manager who struggles to read the game as it is happening. There was an option of 5 subs in these matches and he brings on Mount and Sterling who have been poor in a Chelsea team and apart from Iran have been poor in the tournament yet leaves Rashford on the bench with 6 mins to go and Grealish with 2 mins to go.
Is Gareth Southgate a shiite England manager?
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It doesn’t come down to squads though, it comes down to team organisation and match management as teams like Morocco and Croatia have shown. Southgate is so poor in this regard. A passive and reactive manager who struggles to read the game as it is happening. There was an option of 5 subs in these matches and he brings on Mount and Sterling who have been poor in a Chelsea team and apart from Iran have been poor in the tournament yet leaves Rashford on the bench with 6 mins to go and Grealish with 2 mins to go.
How he keep relying on Mason Mount baffles me.
I can't quite process that substitution.
I can't quite process that substitution.
I'm leaning towards yes.
Yeah I think that was a good assessment. I’ve been on the Southgate is crap “train” but he’s actually done a decent enough job with England - albeit I still don’t rate him as an elite coach, but not many international managers tend to be, IMO. Not sure if this is just my “club” bias though, as I have very little factual data on to base that opinion on.
About the first French goal, why should it not have stood? Must have missed an earlier foul in the build up or something?
The most important thing for England is who will be his replacement. Someone better than him and you are ready for the big things, someone worst and you are back to point zero.
Tuchel would be perfect. If the ingerlund fans hate the prospect of being lead by a German then they should change his surname to Windsor
You were far better than France.
Mbappe was completely nullified. France just scored 2 sucker punch goals.
Mbappe was completely nullified. France just scored 2 sucker punch goals.
Can’t pin this on Southgate. Can pin it on a really shit penalty.
He might have a few weaknesses but I can’t argue with his starting 11 yesterday. Can’t really argue that we didn’t play as well as we should either. Wasn’t negative. Wasn’t naive.
He has a fantastic rapport with the players. He deals well with the media. He has plenty of energy and communicates positively from the sideline. His tournament record is good (even if some feel it should be even better).
I don’t know where England find someone who offers a better all round package than Southgate and would take the job.
He has a fantastic rapport with the players. He deals well with the media. He has plenty of energy and communicates positively from the sideline. His tournament record is good (even if some feel it should be even better).
I don’t know where England find someone who offers a better all round package than Southgate and would take the job.
One of his major issues is he's fallen into the trap of so many previous England managers of sticking with players through thick and thin and it being to his detriment. He might make some interesting choices for the squad, but when it comes to the big moments he's predictable with his choices and quite often expectedly bafflingly dull.
Like throwing on Grealish with two mins of stoppage time
so he could do what, dance in circles with the ball again? That's if he'd even managed to get on the ball which I don't think he did.
Like throwing on Grealish with two mins of stoppage time
so he could do what, dance in circles with the ball again? That's if he'd even managed to get on the ball which I don't think he did.His love for Sterling pissed me off.
Why do people keep talking about Grealish coming on when he did. He came on because Stones was injured. He wasn’t supposed to come on.
Like throwing on Grealish with two mins of stoppage time
I think he made the Grealish sub only because Stones got injured, not that he planned the thing.
The list of players he's loyal to and will use in the same predictable way is very long.
Even with him still in charge, which he doubt will be, we'll be one of the legitimate favourites for the Euros without a doubt, along with France.
Which....again doesn't paint him in a good light does it? Only threw another attacker on because he was forced to/the opportunity suddenly presented itself.
Tuchel is a very good manager and coach. But whether he would be good at international team manager is not clear to me.
Southgate has done a lot within the England structure behind the scenes so to speak.
But his in game leadership is not good because he is not fast enough to react to fast changing situations.
I believe he needs someone with him who is better at tactics.
I mean, it’s Jack Grealish, if he’s the answer you probably shouldn’t ask the question
Agree on Southgate. Think he's done a really good job of creating a happy camp, a decent mentality and a cohesive unit but his in game management lets him down time and time again. Needs an assistant with more tactical nous.
He's so slow to react and make in game changes. Criminal.
People want him to be less conservative but you could argue all four semi finalists play with a safety first approach. The main thing he is lacking is experienced leaders in the squad, which will only come with time.
It must help that he is picking players coached by Guardiola, Tuchel, Klopp and Ten Hag. How much coaching does he even really need to do.
Yep, this definitely doesn't do any harm either!
I've never been a Southgate fan but I don't think he did much wrong yesterday. England played well in the second half and probably were the better of the two teams, if anything.
The Sterling sub was a bit curious, especially as the French couldn't handle Saka at all, but it probably wouldn't have much a huge amount of difference had he stayed on in the grand scheme.
The Sterling sub was a bit curious, especially as the French couldn't handle Saka at all, but it probably wouldn't have much a huge amount of difference had he stayed on in the grand scheme.
That's my issue with getting rid of Southgate too quickly and hoping the timing works out for getting someone better. He may not be perfect, but he's progressed the team in his time and we'd be in danger of moving back to where we were. Over the last 40 or so years some other managers have done worse with better players.
England still couldn't muster a goal from open play despite playing better than France. Can't put the penalty miss on him but shocking subs lost England a lot of momentum. His inability to change things when it matters and go to a plan B or C just isn't there. Under Southgate in tournaments we've played tow decent team Belgium and now France and Southgate couldn't find a way to get his team over the line.
Time for change.
Time for change.
Thought Saka was the biggest threat yesterday, so I did not get the substitution. All in all though he's done alright. England still doesn't create enough, and doesn't boss games. I don't know if that comes with more time and experience but it is a little predictable out there. The French had a very so-so game at best and were in the end not pressured enough into making more mistakes.
He is no different than Roberto Martinez. England wasting this talented generation on him. Long may it continue.
He made mistakes with his subs last night no doubt. We were crying out for some genuine creativity in the middle of the park you saw it when Foden and Saka both drifted into the no 10 spot.
He decided to go with mount and sterling two players who really aren't naturally creative. There good runners and they get into good posistions but neither of them are unlocking a well drilled defence.
He had move Foden into the middle and bring on either rashford or grealish to play of the left for Henderson. Or bring on Maddison. He went with mount because he is a safe option, it cost him.
He decided to go with mount and sterling two players who really aren't naturally creative. There good runners and they get into good posistions but neither of them are unlocking a well drilled defence.
He had move Foden into the middle and bring on either rashford or grealish to play of the left for Henderson. Or bring on Maddison. He went with mount because he is a safe option, it cost him.
I think England need a new manager to have fresh idea to bring them to up next level. They need someone more tactical astute. England under Southgate have been playing "safe football". They need to take more risks, more adventurous, more attacking and unpredictable. England have the players to do it but they need a coach who can play modern football.
England's strength is they are blessed with attacking talents but most of them was put on the bench by Southgate because he prefers "safe football".
England's strength is they are blessed with attacking talents but most of them was put on the bench by Southgate because he prefers "safe football".
People massively underestimate the work he’s done. People have thrown names like Conte or Mourinho in the ring and they’d almost certainly break the spirit that’s been cultivated, leading to massive underperformance again and to the general ambivalence the majority of the nation had with the team before 2018.
There isn’t a legitimate candidate that I can see out there right now.
I'd rather Southgate over a dinosaur like Jose, or someone as ghastly as Conte.
He’s crap and proved again last night. He has no idea how to change the game, there is no plan B. He took off our best front player in Saka. Brings on his favourites in Mount and Sterling. Sterling hasn’t trained for over a week and both players are having a poor season yet he chooses them over Rashford and Grealish. His subs remind me of Ole, always 20 minutes too late.
He didn’t give minutes to Maddison or Coady even when we were winning by 3 goals in 3 separate games.
The perception is Southgate has done well for England but his records shows, like most England managers, we get knocked out by the first decent team we face. And even then we should have beaten Croatia and Italy, going 1-0 up early and then went defensive. Had he been braver with his tactics, particular against Italy, we may have won a trophy.
He didn’t give minutes to Maddison or Coady even when we were winning by 3 goals in 3 separate games.
The perception is Southgate has done well for England but his records shows, like most England managers, we get knocked out by the first decent team we face. And even then we should have beaten Croatia and Italy, going 1-0 up early and then went defensive. Had he been braver with his tactics, particular against Italy, we may have won a trophy.
Yea because those are all the managers that exist. I mean they are both in bloody jobs.
Poch is available and 5x the manager Southgate is.
What? They're not the only managers that exist?! Well that not only changes everything but has stumped me.
I don’t get why rashford didn’t get many starts despite scoring 2 in one game and scoring in his first touch when he came on. Rashfords one player who would have ran at the French defence and caused them trouble. He should have had foden in CAM with rashford and saka out wide. And gone with a 4-2-3-1.
Why would Poch take the job when the Madrid one is potentially available in 6 months?
A reminder, the defensive pairing of Bellingham and Rice couldn’t handle the USA midfield.
Done better at the big tournaments than most before him, higher win %. Better overall record than great mamagers like Capello, Robson, Big Sam and Sven.
He's been a great England manager, one of the very best and long may he continue.
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To be fair, nobody has a better win % than Big Sam. It’s literally impossible to do so.