I agree and I think it would be best for him to move on as he has probably run his course but I was arguing against the notion that he is bad because he won’t get a big club job. United gave LVG the job and it didn’t end well
Is Gareth Southgate a shiite England manager?
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I agree and I think it would be best for him to move on as he has probably run his course but I was arguing against the notion that he is bad because he won’t get a big club job. United gave LVG the job and it didn’t end well
International managers have power over who makes the squad, so it’s not really a skill as it is at club level to get players playing for them. It’s not like players can put in a transfer request either.
I really don’t understand why he’d need Henderson and Rice and Bellingham in midfield, which is ultra conservative and lacks a real creative midfielder.
Southgate is a man who wears a belt and suspenders.
Southgate is a man who wears a belt and suspenders.
He's done well tbh. Should've kept Saka on and subbed on Rashford at 1-1 imo.
He'll leave, we'll get another manager in, still lose to the big teams... Rinse and repeat...
I think our players are just slightly overrated by the media and majority of the fans.
He'll leave, we'll get another manager in, still lose to the big teams... Rinse and repeat...
I think our players are just slightly overrated by the media and majority of the fans.
He did that and yet still nobody could get hold of griezmann.
I’m far from a Southgate fan but hard to criticise him for the tactics tonight.
On another day (and with another referee) we win fairly comfortably
He wears suspenders? God bless him...
Based on all the chances we created?
This was the game wasn't it? To see if things are different under him. And he failed. Just more of the same old. QF agasint a good team? Out we go.
Based on the first French goal not happening and england getting a penalty in the first half.
So yes.
I'd say he's more of a chastity belt guy
He is the only decent manager you have in my lifetime (in my 40's) made them look like an actual coherent side
Youse have gone out at the quarters. That's your level . Get over it. Probably overachieved in previous 2 tournaments
Youse have gone out at the quarters. That's your level . Get over it. Probably overachieved in previous 2 tournaments
I dunno, I think he got the midfield balance about right. We were pathetic at advancing the ball when we had Henderson out of the team. Maguire and Stones spent 15 minutes of the 90 shuffling the ball side to side. I think it was a necessary evil and I don't see any other great midfield options.
I gave up when he brought Sterling on.
A goal down to France and with some of the best attacking talent at the tournament sat pointlessly on the bench, and he brings on a hopelessly out of form player who hadn't even trained or prepared for the game all week due to literally being half the planet away!
His obsession with sterling over significantly more talented players is infuriating enough but that is the most mind bogglingly stupid piece of personell biased management you will ever see at anything close to this level. It obviously made no tactical sense and had nothing to do with form or ability since Saka/Grealish/Foden/Rashford beat Sterling on both of those. Southgste was basically prepared to sabotage his team in a world cup quarter final just to show favouritism or some delusional form of loyalty to one of his underperforming pals. Utterly pathetic.
Then he brings Grealish on with literally 55 seconds left? Dis he think he was winning and wanted to time waste?
The only thing that annoys me about this crop of England players is that they are managed by an imbecile who keeps getting praised for their good work
A goal down to France and with some of the best attacking talent at the tournament sat pointlessly on the bench, and he brings on a hopelessly out of form player who hadn't even trained or prepared for the game all week due to literally being half the planet away!
His obsession with sterling over significantly more talented players is infuriating enough but that is the most mind bogglingly stupid piece of personell biased management you will ever see at anything close to this level. It obviously made no tactical sense and had nothing to do with form or ability since Saka/Grealish/Foden/Rashford beat Sterling on both of those. Southgste was basically prepared to sabotage his team in a world cup quarter final just to show favouritism or some delusional form of loyalty to one of his underperforming pals. Utterly pathetic.
Then he brings Grealish on with literally 55 seconds left? Dis he think he was winning and wanted to time waste?
The only thing that annoys me about this crop of England players is that they are managed by an imbecile who keeps getting praised for their good work
Yeah. I've been a defender of his for some time, and he didn't do a lot wrong in the tournament, but I'm interested to see someone new with fresh ideas now.
There arent many contenders. Tuchel or Pochettino. After that I'm not sure, but I'm willing to see a change. I have a United bias, but even so I find it difficult to accept Rashford being not much more than a bit part player after his performance against Wales.
Considering we were probably slightly the better side this evening, and were rated as slight underdogs by most fans and the media, I’m not sure that’s true.
The difference between this and past England teams is we actually have a good set of players who aren't ego obsessed. That and we've had quite lucky draws and circumstances for 3 tournaments in a row.
I don't think we're the best team in the world, but I don't think us over achieving or performing better has much to do with a manager who doesn't understand the most basic of things, like the idea that leaving your top scorer on the bench until the 85th minute of a wc quarter final, in favour of someone who literally fecked off home for the week, is perhaps a stupid idea.
The credit for our improvement is on the players. They all perform to the same level for their clubs. It isn't Southgate getting more out of them and given his managerial record there's an awfully valid argument that they are carrying him.
He had this team outplay France what more can you want? I would have made the changes earlier but really, the chances were there.
I disagree, I don't think we were the better side. A better side wouldn't be relying on penalties to score goals, we had more of the ball because France let us and barring a 20 min period at the start of the second half we weren't a major threat with it, the reason we had more of the ball is because France scored early and let us have it so they could use their flanks to hit us on the break. We equalised and then they came back in the game, had possession for a bit and scored then dropped off again, they had less possession but were far more effective with it, even the second penalty we got was quite lucky, Hernandez had no need to brainlessly foul Mount there....
Our players being overrated is just my opinion, I could be wrong of course, it's just that the majority of our team aren't even the best players at their clubs...
Declan Rice and Harry Kane are probably the only 2 that are the undoubted best players at their club. Arsenals best player this season is sitting on France's bench for example.
not usually a fan of southgate but to be fair to him he didn’t play defensively, we took it to france but the players didn’t take their chances. not much you can do about that as a manager.
subs could have been better/maybe change the game at 1-1 when we needed it instead of waiting to react.
should have gone for it more in extra time. why not hail mary like netherlands?
subs could have been better/maybe change the game at 1-1 when we needed it instead of waiting to react.
should have gone for it more in extra time. why not hail mary like netherlands?
Totally with you. It just feels like it’s the right time to go doesn’t it.
Can’t really knock the job Southgate has done but it’s the end of the line in terms of progress in my opinion.
England have some good young players and will have the opportunity to win the Euros and be in the conversation at the next WC. Especially with the right appointment.
I'm surprised to see so much support to be honest.
Thought you had France on the ropes early in the second half.
It reminded me of the Euros final where he froze and let Italy back in to the game.
A better manager would have made the subs to land the killer blow, instead his subs tied one hand behind your back.
We can sing England's praises all day but IMO France didn't play well today and they still knocked England out.
What's the glory in that?
Thought you had France on the ropes early in the second half.
It reminded me of the Euros final where he froze and let Italy back in to the game.
A better manager would have made the subs to land the killer blow, instead his subs tied one hand behind your back.
We can sing England's praises all day but IMO France didn't play well today and they still knocked England out.
What's the glory in that?
I think so. He can go out with his reputation intact, certainly when weighed against how he was perceived when he took the job, but I could also see myself in Gareths shoes thinking 'why would I need to go now?'. I don't see him resigning, and I don't see us sacking him.
It's sheer curiosity now that leads me to want to see what someone else can do with this squad. Do I think we'd have a better shot at the next Euros with a new manager? I'm not sure, but I'm ready to find out.
In which regard did he detoxify and redefine national pride and even more so masculinity?
He's a nice guy but had his chances. Just wasn't good enough in the end.
I mean you have to be careful what you wish for, as the old saying goes, but I’d be willing to role that dice for the right coach.
I don’t think he’s done much wrong this tournament, aside from the strange decisions involving Sterling and Mount who he seems to really like. I just wish he’d be that bit more adventurous, especially in terms of the forward/midfield balance.
So LVG as next Manager for England...surely?
It's his subs that kill. He just can't change a game for the better from the bench.
One thing that does surprise me with england is how good stones and maguire are at tourneys. I suppose i've got to give credit to southgate for that.
Have never rated him before but credit to him and England, I thought they outplayed France today. Albiet, Deschamps isn't a great manager as well but England certainly played with more conviction than I thought they would.
Would be interesting how England go on from here. The lingering question is, despite positive positions in the last 3 tournaments, is Southgate maximizing the talents of this English team?
Would be interesting how England go on from here. The lingering question is, despite positive positions in the last 3 tournaments, is Southgate maximizing the talents of this English team?
He just never takes the initiative. At least that’s how it feels.
Only for the fact he signed for Chelsea, I'd be interested in what Graham Potter could do with the team.
Maguire literally ushered in the ball for the France winner ffs. This is bordering on gaslighting.
I would like him to stay which I didn’t expect to be saying before the tournament started.
I think the football has been better in this tournament and the move to 4-3-3 suits us. I was left frustrated again by the substitution decisions. I suppose he felt that we were on top in the game and having got the equaliser didn’t want to disrupt that momentum. For me, France were on the ropes and had to come forward again after we had levelled. I thought that would have been the perfect time to introduce Rashford. Henderson was tiring and Foden could have moved into midfield to really open things up. Alas the changes came after we went behind.
We do not have one of the best players in the world like France, Brazil, Argentina. Our strength is the depth of our wide forward options. We didn’t fully utilise our strength again.
The reason I want Southgate to stay is I feel he almost guarantees us getting to the latter stages. It’s easy to think that a coach with more pedigree takes us all the way but it’s never that simple in reality. Look at Luis Enrique and Hansi Flick.
England will not want to change course too dramatically from this formula created under Southgate. It needs to evolve again, as it has done since the Euros last year. I think this team is better than the one that lost to Italy, which was a better team than the one that lost to Croatia in 2018.
I think the football has been better in this tournament and the move to 4-3-3 suits us. I was left frustrated again by the substitution decisions. I suppose he felt that we were on top in the game and having got the equaliser didn’t want to disrupt that momentum. For me, France were on the ropes and had to come forward again after we had levelled. I thought that would have been the perfect time to introduce Rashford. Henderson was tiring and Foden could have moved into midfield to really open things up. Alas the changes came after we went behind.
We do not have one of the best players in the world like France, Brazil, Argentina. Our strength is the depth of our wide forward options. We didn’t fully utilise our strength again.
The reason I want Southgate to stay is I feel he almost guarantees us getting to the latter stages. It’s easy to think that a coach with more pedigree takes us all the way but it’s never that simple in reality. Look at Luis Enrique and Hansi Flick.
England will not want to change course too dramatically from this formula created under Southgate. It needs to evolve again, as it has done since the Euros last year. I think this team is better than the one that lost to Italy, which was a better team than the one that lost to Croatia in 2018.
Thought he had a solid tourney, tbf. He's played well at the last three.
And I say this as someone who said he would flop at Utd the minute they paid that fee.
You don’t think Maguire had a good tournament?
He did have a good tournament.
There’s some here unwilling to give him any credit due to his recent United form and just want to terrorise him at every opportunity.
Your posts would be exactly how I look at it.
Baffled why everyone trying to big him up. He keeps doing the bare minimum, nothing more than what you would hope.
Not one to big up Simon Jordan but he been spot on, beat who they are supposed too, and come massively short the other way.
Sterling sub was bonkers and sums him up.
Love to see it to be fair
Like so many things in football, luck plays a big part. Did he set us up to beat the reigning world champions? I think he did in all honestly. Credit where its due.