Christ. Some of you need to get out more. He’s without doubt a united legend.
Is Cristiano Ronaldo a United Legend?
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Never.Only ever been out for number one,which is part of his greatness.Single minded and driven but never been about UTD for him.
Cantona is a bigger catalyst by far. The final piece in SAFs puzzle that set us on the road for near domination (at least domestically) for nearly 2 decades. If it wasn't for Cantona, Ronaldo might well not of had a United career. I'm not saying he wouldn't of had a great career but having the tutoridge of SAF helped shape him into the player he finally became.
Yes, the likes of law and Schmeichel are deemed legends despite joining our rivals
As a football fan ronaldo is highly regarded, as a utd fan I regard bruce more.
Yes ronaldo is superior to bruce in everyway but bruce is closer to utd fans for his service to the club.
Yes ronaldo is superior to bruce in everyway but bruce is closer to utd fans for his service to the club.
Some might say that "legend" status has very little to do with pure ability, though.
Jaap Stam was a better player than Steve Bruce - that is as objectively true as it gets in this context.
Ive seen a lot of player fanboism in the past decade which wasn't as evident before.
Now we have fans who jump from club to club along with the player.
Agreed. I’m sure there’s some sentiment for United, similar to sporting but Ronaldo is only interested in himself, which is why he’s a winner. He ain’t going to win anything here unless he’s found the fountain of youth.
I say we sell him for 30 million, save on his wage bill, and hopefully use the money to build the next generation.
I’d love him to stay for another year, but if he doesn’t want to stay the last thing the club, and ETH needs, is a stroppy Ronaldo.
He was our talisman for our most successful period in history of the club. Whatever label you put on that is up to you.
So why are you telling me about “grand scheme of things”? I stated a fact and accomplishment for Ronaldo. I never said “this is the best way to judge bla bla bla”. I simply went through some of the things that Ronaldo has done at United, which is legendary, and mentioned how it compares to other players who are largely considered legends.
Why are people arguing these things at me? I never said Ronaldo was/is a bigger catalyst than Cantona.
I said Ronaldo is a United legend. He was the catalyst for one of our most successful periods. He has won more at United than a celebrated legend like Cantona. And he is also in our top 15 or too 20 all time top scorers. All facts.
And if I’m not mistaken, he’s also part of a exclusive group of two or three players than have been crowned best in the world whilst at United.
I don’t know why people read that and get super defensive and start telling me why Cantona is a bigger legend. Weird.
Yes I still believe he is.
If that story is true about him wanting to quit the club in January then it's hilarious. He was going through some brutal form then and just wanted out.
If that story is true about him wanting to quit the club in January then it's hilarious. He was going through some brutal form then and just wanted out.
Imagine if they had been around when Best was playing.
He only ever cared about himself. Take a leaf out of Real Madrid’s book and don’t give a feck.
Um they joined at the end of their career to earn that final contract/money, while Ronaldo left us and gave Real his best years. BIG difference in my opinion.
I regularly refer to this treatise on legends when trying to answer OP
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/do-legends-walk-alone-now-available-in-audiobook.465305/
Audiobook @Vidyoyo https://vocaroo.com/1feHdtP9ZtTU
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/do-legends-walk-alone-now-available-in-audiobook.465305/
Audiobook @Vidyoyo https://vocaroo.com/1feHdtP9ZtTU
End or no end fact is they joined our rivals.
I think for those of us who don’t really consider Ronaldo a United legend, it’s “the grand scheme of things” that really counts, more than stats such as trophies won or goals scored. It encompasses more than hard “facts”, and includes stuff that is hard to measure, such as the player’s connection with the fans, his place within the broader context of the particular condition of the club as he found it, and the general atmosphere and buzz surrounding him. It’s in this sense that I feel Ronaldo falls a bit short of those such as Cantona who he matches up with quite well statistically, or Robson who he obviously outshines in terms of raw success.
Personally, while I was often in awe of Ronaldo the player (who couldn’t be?), he irritated me a bit too much over his seven seasons with us to put him on the pedestal with Cantona, Keane, etc. Especially his attitude for a good chunk of the 08/09 season left a bad taste in the mouth. But I understand the stuff I’m talking about is rather subjective.
They gave United their best years, United wanted to move them on. If they would put in a transfer request and go to a rival abd hurt us in the league then sure it would be betraying the club.
So you believe Ronaldo going to Madrid is worse?
I'm on 2 minds about him being a legend. Thought he isn't before he came back, if he leaves after 1 year it probably settles it not being a legend.
I hear you, but this is Ronaldo we're talking about. The same guy who Ferguson reportedly went with over RVN (one of the Prem's best ever strikers) when it was time to build the next dynasty, and Ronaldo delivered. Personally, Ronaldo has given me more happy moments than any other United player. This is the same guy who's name was still being sung loudly and regularly by United faithful 10 years after his departure. You're within your rights to think he falls short when compared to others in terms of his place within the broader context of the condition of the club as he found it, and general atmosphere and buzz surrounding him. To me, I think even there he ranks favourably against many that are generally considered to be United legends. In any case, as I've already clarified, saying Ronaldo has won more at United than Cantona is not a slight on Cantona. It simply is what it is.
I share your irritation with him. But I think his legend tag was sealed by coming back to the club. No matter the motivation or outcome it was such a mad buzz to hear he was coming home. That was special and not something we got to experience with any other legends who left too soon.
I still think he’s a douche though. And always has been.
Context counts. You're saying Ronaldo must be a legend when he won more than Cantona without taking into account that it was Cantona who basically set us on the road to glory whereas Ronaldo fecked off and gave his prime years to another club. Call me bitter if you want but for me that loses any sort of legend status he definitely would of had if he had of stayed with us. Madrid legend most definitely. A United one? Not for me.
I think he’s a self-centred eejit who we should never have brought back - but yes. He is a United legend.
Well since he’s about to feck off after one season clearly feeling we’re now beneath him I’m not sure how the buzz surrounding his return is going to be looked at in retrospect. I’m already cringing a bit looking back at Rio’s grinning video for example.
Brother, it's right here:
Why am I "taking into account Cantona did XYZ"? I'm not saying Cantona is not a legend. I'm not saying Ronaldo is a "bigger legend" - whatever that even means. I'm saying that Ronaldo is a legend. Then I just simply said that he has won more here than Cantona. Which he has, capisce?
There's no need to wrestle with me. I do not want to call you bitter. Your opinion is your opinion.
You people need to stop equating "great player" with "legend". Tevez was a great player, he's certainly no United legend in my eyes. Someone like Forlan, who didn't quite work out here, for me is a United legend. For a number of reasons, but most of all - because he gave it all for this club and didn't make a fuss about it when it didn't work out, and he still loves the club despite that. Ronaldo has always been out for himself. I'll never understand United "fans" who consider a guy that accused the club of holding him as a slave and now this as a "legend".
For me it was, United was only a stepping stone for him to go to his dream club and leaving after beeing a "modern slave" in United when we were winning. Now he comes back and now we are not winning he wants out again but he "loves the club" feck off.
Schmeichel and Law loved the club and gave their best years to the club and beeing important players for us so in my opinion they are legends in my eyes and Ronaldo gave his best years to Real and is a Real legend.
With our great history as a club, our standards should be higher than worshiping a Real legend.
I tend to agree although Schmeichel at City still leaves a bad taste.
I feel the same way my friend, it hurts to see players you care play for $hitty.
Atleast he did not leave in his prime to play for them, but after we did not need him anymore so the blues did not get the good version of Peter like we did.
You should go and do some research on George Best and how he left the club and his comments at the time. Using your logic he wouldnt be a legend. Somehow however he is there on a statue outside Old Trafford and universally thought of as one of our greatest legends.
While I'm not aware on Best's comments, that was way before my time, Best has also spent almost his entire footballing career here and gave us everything. Ronaldo fecked off in his prime and now is looking to feck off again when things are not as easy as he expected them to be. For me he is not deserving of any respect. He plays for himself, not the club. And while that is all well and good in general, you still need to appreciate the club you're playing for instead of solely caring about your own personal glory and achievements.
Go do some research on George Best.
You snowflakes are so fragile.
The fact people are questioning the Legend status of Ronaldo is pitiful.
Best was and still is my favourite ever Untied player. I got to watch him when i was a kid. How he left us was disgraceful and also his behaviour in his last 2 seasons also disgraceful. He was gone at 27. However the bigger picture and his exploits with us mean he will always be one of our greatest legends.
Ronaldo's exploits for us in time will see the bullshit "not a legend" argument consigned to the bin.
Best acted in a completely self centered manner, he insulted the club and the fans with his actions and comments during that time. He is an absolute Legend. So is Ronaldo.
Using snowflakes as an argument never ends well. You have your opinion others have theirs, that's what forum is for.
Thats all you got?
Cant refute that Best was appalling with how he left us but still a legend. In fact Bests exploits in leaving us make Ronaldo look like a saint.
You can be as aggressive and insulting as you want, but its still only your opinion. Those who hold the opinion that he isn't deserving of legend status are just as valid
Bullshit.
Its fecking pitiful.
Yeah that's all I got. Am I a snowflake?