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Is Cristiano Ronaldo a Man Utd legend?

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I think he was. His goals helped us win three premier league titles and European cup.

Most other clubs would build statues for him if he did that for them. His form came at the right time as it looked like Chelsea would dominate English football.
 
He's one of United's greatest players. But, in the true sense of the word, he wasn't a legend. A legend leaves a legacy behind. And a legacy takes a number of years of service and dedication. So, no, he doesn't qualify for the term 'Legend'
 
MZX7 said:
He's one of United's greatest players. But, in the true sense of the word, he wasn't a legend. A legend leaves a legacy behind. And a legacy takes a number of years of service and dedication. So, no, he doesn't qualify for the term 'Legend'
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He left behind a legacy bigger than the majority of people. Before him it had been years since we can say we'd had the best player in the world, that'd we had had since he was 18.
 
This legend thing is over done, if you wouldn't happily put a statue of them up next to the Best / Charlton / Law one, then they're not a legend.

I could easily see a bronze Cantona up there, collar up looking imperious.

Ronaldo ? No.
 
SAF said he is legend for the club and if he says he is that is good enough for me.
 
Bwuk said:
He left behind a legacy bigger than the majority of people. Before him it had been years since we can say we'd had the best player in the world, that'd we had had since he was 18.
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I guess, the term Legacy has lost its meaning then...
 
MZX7 said:
I guess, the term Legacy has lost its meaning then...
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? He clearly has a legacy. When people go on about Uniteds great #7s he's always mentioned. Look at Di Maria's interview when he signed.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
I'd consider someone like Solskjaer more of a legend than Ronaldo. It's not just about being a great player.
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Solskjaer and Ronaldo are not even in the same league in terms of being United legends.

Solskjaer >>>>>>>>>> Ronaldo (as United Legend)
Solskjaer <<<<<<<<<< Ronaldo (as a footballing great or legend, if you like)

Edit: It will be interesting to see how many people will consider Ronaldo a legend if he decides to come back and retire here (even though it looks unlikely with his new RM contract). I'd be one of those who jumps ship.
 
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Anirudh said:
Solskjaer and Ronaldo are not even in the same league in terms of being United legends.

Solskjaer >>>>>>>>>> Ronaldo (as United Legend)
Solskjaer <<<<<<<<<< Ronaldo (as a footballing great or legend, if you like)
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yep...perfect example of how to used the definition of 'legend' in relation to football players....
 
Bwuk said:
? He clearly has a legacy. When people go on about Uniteds great #7s he's always mentioned. Look at Di Maria's interview when he signed.
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Yea, agreed, and that is why I say that the word Legacy has been devalued in modern times. Nani, Valencia and Tevez have all have had exceptional seasons for us. Would they all qualify as United Legends? I don't know. I'm not comparing these guys with Ronaldo, he was clearly a world class player but, he wasn't with us for too long to qualify as a legend. That's my opinion only though. I'm sure many would disagree.
 
In FM terms, maybe an Icon or something like that, but not a legend for United, I would say.
 
foolsgold said:
This legend thing is over done, if you wouldn't happily put a statue of them up next to the Best / Charlton / Law one, then they're not a legend.

I could easily see a bronze Cantona up there, collar up looking imperious.

Ronaldo ? No.
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This.
 
It'd be interesting if we could all get on the same page here.

I think we can all agree if the club could have say ten legends he wouldn't make the list.
 
MZX7 said:
Yea, agreed, and that is why I say that the word Legacy has been devalued in modern times. Nani, Valencia and Tevez have all have had exceptional seasons for us. Would they all qualify as United Legends? I don't know. I'm not comparing these guys with Ronaldo, he was clearly a world class player but, he wasn't with us for too long to qualify as a legend. That's my opinion only though. I'm sure many would disagree.
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I don't think many disagree. If this thread had a poll, majority would vote no - not legend, but best/top 3 players to play for United ever. I think Ronaldo could have become a United Legend if he spent a few more years with us before going to RM. Him leaving was a sad day for the club (much more so that any other player - including Cantonna's early retirement)

Sky1981 said:
It's not the tenure but what a player contributes in his tenure that counts.
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Agreed, its not about tenure. But, would you call RVP a United Legend? No. He had 1 great season (out of 3) where he almost single handedly won us the league. Ronaldo had 2 great seasons (out of 6). Remember his first 3 years of inconsistency - the poor decision making, frustrating selfishness, being shoved over easily etc. I'm not questioning Ronaldo's contribution to United (he is still probably my favourite United player ever), but he didn't do enough in his time here to become a legend either.
 
There is a fair amount of rewriting of history in here that i suspect is an emotional response to how many perceive Ronaldo and his exit from the club. The amusing thing is that its easy to know who doesnt think Ronaldo is a Utd legend even before reading their verdicts based on the sorts of comments they have made about Ronaldo in the past.
 
VdS was here for 6 yrs, played 186 games. As was Ronaldo, 6 yrs here with 196 games (wiki).

All i see is Ronaldo had contributed to United sucess at least as much as VdS. And no one can say that VdS isn't United legend.
 
Legend status is surely relative for every person. I would personally not be able to consider Charlton, Best, Law etc. United legends as I never watched them play. For me the likes of Giggs, Cantona, Scholes, Beckham etc are United legends of my era.

Ronaldo on the other hand is one of the best players if not the best I have ever seen in a United shirt and well worthy of legend status in my eyes. I believe 07/08/09 were special years at United where he broke into the mould of the player he is today. It can be argued that he peaked at Madrid but I don't see him doing anything other than replicating his form of the last three seasons with us over there. He can be a club legend for Madrid but that doesn't make him any less of legend for his time at Man UTD.
 
foolsgold said:
This legend thing is over done, if you wouldn't happily put a statue of them up next to the Best / Charlton / Law one, then they're not a legend.

I could easily see a bronze Cantona up there, collar up looking imperious.

Ronaldo ? No.
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That is the best litmus test. In 20 or 30 years time after he has broken all the scoring records for Madrid ,maybe won a couple of more CL with them, seated in the plush executive boxes in the Bernabeu as some kind of ambassador or maybe president, wouldn't it look odd that he would have statue pride of place next to Law,Best and Charlton.

He is Madrid legend not a United one.
 
9 pages and no poll?

@Niall maybe you could add this to the homepage. It's actually sparked more debate than the Rooney thread!

EDIT: Never mind, seems I can
 
Brilliant player, one of very best this club has seen, but not a legend, not for me.

His comments about being slave and forcing move to Real can't make him legend, you can hate Rooney for all his antics but at least he stayed with United while C.Ronaldo got what he wanted and no matter how respectful he sounds about United and Fergie, in the end he left United because he always wanted to play for Real more than United.
 
LitterBug said:
Legend status is surely relative for every person. I would personally not be able to consider Charlton, Best, Law etc. United legends as I never watched them play. For me the likes of Giggs, Cantona, Scholes, Beckham etc are United legends of my era.

Ronaldo on the other hand is one of the best players if not the best I have ever seen in a United shirt and well worthy of legend status in my eyes. I believe 07/08/09 were special years at United where he broke into the mould of the player he is today. It can be argued that he peaked at Madrid but I don't see him doing anything other than replicating his form of the last three seasons with us over there. He can be a club legend for Madrid but that doesn't make him any less of legend for his time at Man UTD.
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That is just a cop out.
I've never seen them play, but there is plenty of information out there regarding what they represented to United as well listening to older United fans. That's like saying you don't regard Hendrix as a great guitarist because you were not born while he was alive.
 
Black Adder said:
Brilliant player, one of very best this club has seen, but not a legend, not for me.

His comments about being slave and forcing move to Real can't make him legend, you can hate Rooney for all his antics but at least he stayed with United while C.Ronaldo got what he wanted and no matter how respectful he sounds about United and Fergie, in the end he left United because he always wanted to play for Real more than United.
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Sort of my sentiments on the topic.

At the end, it boils down to personal opinions as well. Especially opinions on what a legend should be.

For me, a prerequisite to be considered a legend is that said player needs to have given his best years to the club. Ronaldo hasn't. Which is a fact. He saw us as a stepping stone. Fair play.
 
Isotope said:
VdS was here for 6 yrs, played 186 games. As was Ronaldo, 6 yrs here with 196 games (wiki).

All i see is Ronaldo had contributed to United sucess at least as much as VdS. And no one can say that VdS isn't United legend.
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But Ronaldo's first three seasons weren't nearly as good as his last three, whereas VdS was consistently great for us.
 
psychdelicblues said:
That is just a cop out.
I've never seen them play, but there is plenty of information out there regarding what they represented to United as well listening to older United fans. That's like saying you don't regard Hendrix as a great guitarist because you were not born while he was alive.
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I don't even know who Hendrix is if I be honest with you but you can't compare music with football. Musicians leave a continuous lasting legacy. I'm able to hear the songs today and think wow that's great music but I cant say the same for footballers because I don't go around watching black and white movies of x person playing. Also historical success in football is generally accorded to a club rather than individuals who make it happen at the time.

Sure people regard them as legends and they have legendary status at the club but if I admit and accept that it's not because I think they are but because that's what others do. It's not an informed decision to regard them as legends. Ronaldo on the other hand I can easily say what I have.
 
LitterBug said:
Legend status is surely relative for every person. I would personally not be able to consider Charlton, Best, Law etc. United legends as I never watched them play. For me the likes of Giggs, Cantona, Scholes, Beckham etc are United legends of my era.

Ronaldo on the other hand is one of the best players if not the best I have ever seen in a United shirt and well worthy of legend status in my eyes. I believe 07/08/09 were special years at United where he broke into the mould of the player he is today. It can be argued that he peaked at Madrid but I don't see him doing anything other than replicating his form of the last three seasons with us over there. He can be a club legend for Madrid but that doesn't make him any less of legend for his time at Man UTD.
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psychdelicblues said:
That is just a cop out.
I've never seen them play, but there is plenty of information out there regarding what they represented to United as well listening to older United fans. That's like saying you don't regard Hendrix as a great guitarist because you were not born while he was alive.
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LitterBug said:
I don't even know who Hendrix is if I be honest with you but you can't compare music with football. Musicians leave a continuous lasting legacy. I'm able to hear the songs today and think wow that's great music but I cant say the same for footballers because I don't go around watching black and white movies of x person playing. Also historical success in football is generally accorded to a club rather than individuals who make it happen at the time.

Sure people regard them as legends and they have legendary status at the club but if I admit and accept that it's not because I think they are but because that's what others do. It's not an informed decision to regard them as legends. Ronaldo on the other hand I can easily say what I have.
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So in your opinion Ronaldo is a United Legend, Sir Bobby is not. Fair enough.
 
There should be a "No, not a legend but one of the best players we had" option in the poll.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
He's one of only 4 United players to win the Balon D'or in a United shirt of course he's a legend FFS.
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Being one of the best players the club has seen and being a legend are 2 very different things especially as he gave us 2yrs max of that top drawer Ronaldo.
 
psychdelicblues said:
So in your opinion Ronaldo is a United Legend, Sir Bobby is not. Fair enough.
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That's not what I said. I said I cannot consider him as one, in the sense that I haven't seen enough to formulate an opinion on the matter.
 
Anirudh said:
I don't think many disagree. If this thread had a poll, majority would vote no - not legend, but best/top 3 players to play for United ever. I think Ronaldo could have become a United Legend if he spent a few more years with us before going to RM. Him leaving was a sad day for the club (much more so that any other player - including Cantonna's early retirement)



Agreed, its not about tenure. But, would you call RVP a United Legend? No. He had 1 great season (out of 3) where he almost single handedly won us the league. Ronaldo had 2 great seasons (out of 6). Remember his first 3 years of inconsistency - the poor decision making, frustrating selfishness, being shoved over easily etc. I'm not questioning Ronaldo's contribution to United (he is still probably my favourite United player ever), but he didn't do enough in his time here to become a legend either.
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I agree he left way too soon, 2010 could have been the season where he left for Madrid, what also makes him less of a legend, he wanted to leave in 2008 made summer 2008 such a hellish summer, taking the focus away from our success, and focuses of his need to jump ship has soon as he hit his potential.

I don't think he single handedly won is the league, we had one hell of a back 5, and we were such a well oiled unit, but he was one of the main reasons behind our dominance
 
Varun said:
There should be a "No, not a legend but one of the best players we had" option in the poll.
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Anyone who doesn't think that is a moron though, it's basically a given. From looking at the thread the recurring theme amongst those who say no is that he left too early.

I'll take out the bellend part, though.
 
Cina said:
Anyone who doesn't think that is a moron though, it's basically a given. From looking at the thread the recurring theme amongst those who say no is that he left too early.

I'll take out the bellend part, though.
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Just because you believe it's so obvious, the ones who don't become morons? It isn't even aa given at all. Being a legend isn't simply about being the best player in the world for a year while at the club and then pushing for a move to another club where you end up giving your best years.

A lot more would have voted no had they not been given the easy cop out with the 2nd option or had there been a reasonable option to go with the "no". Just check the early part of the thread to see how many thought of him as a legend.
 
Varun said:
Just because you believe it's so obvious, the ones who don't become morons? It isn't even aa given at all. Being a legend isn't simply about being the best player in the world for a year while at the club and then pushing for a move to another club where you end up giving your best years.

A lot more would have voted no had they not been given the easy cop out with the 2nd option or had there been a reasonable option to go with the "no". Just check the early part of the thread to see how many thought of him as a legend.
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Wait, so you think it's actually feasible that someone who supports Utd wouldn't think Ronaldo is one of the best players we've had? The 2 yes options seem pretty comprehensive to me, unless you see something beyond those 2 options? I certainly don't in this thread. Maybe a rename to 'one of the best' is fair.

I'll change the no option if you really want to be that pedantic (despite the fact that I haven't seen anyone in here say no and then give a reason other than that one), but the 2nd yes option is fine as is. What's wrong with presenting multiple options so you can get a wider range of opinions? If every poll was a straight out 'yes'or 'no' then they'd be pretty fecking dull.

And anyway, it's a fecking poll, not some vote for presidential election. If you don't think it has an option suited to you then don't vote. Oh wait, you did vote, lolz.
 
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