That's not what I said, but given the circumstances he was in I think he must have felt the time was right. Everyone to their own, but I feel that Becks is more of a legend than Ronaldo and I guess I am allowed to feel that way..
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I don't know, it's just strange to think a player who dreamed only to play for Madrid is an United legend and for whom United was just a stepping stone to Bernabeu.
One of the greatest players we had, sure, but not a legend.
One of the greatest players we had, sure, but not a legend.
It's not about medals all the time, Robbie Fowler is undoubtedly a Liverpool legend, but as far as I know, he never won anything of note with them.
For me, it's about how much you can see the player and the club as one, and who have performed at a (relative) high level over time or who have inspired greatness in the squad.
The difference between Cantona and Ronaldo, and what makes Cantona a legend for me, is that in his short time at the club, he practically molded Scholes, Giggs and a few others into the on-pitch characters they became. (or at least I've read that his influence on the squad was immense and helped them never to settle with a win).
The same can be said for Keane, even if he in recent years has done his best to sound like a right cnut, he clearly was a leader who you could define as a Manchester United player.
Now, you might say that George Best, as a legend, resembles the same as Ronaldo, but for many of us the difference is how we feel like a stepping stone for Ronaldo, wheras Best was our golden boy for 10-11 years. He built up and spent his career at Manchester United. Ronaldo came, was a brilliant player who won a lot with a good team, and then left because his heart was set on another club.
His individual greatness might make him a legend in some fans eyes, and that's a perfectly fine way to look at it.
But that doesn't mean that those of us who don't find him to be a Manchester United legend because of those reasons are buffoons.
Charlton, Schmeichel, Cantona, Keane Edwards, G. Neville, Best, Robson, Giggs, Scholes, (even) Beckham and more, when i hear those names I picture them (those i saw) in my head with a United shirt on as I identify them with greatness and Manchester United.
Ronaldo I personally see as a great player, one of the greatest in the history of the sport, but I don't think of his greatness at United when I think of him, I think of his raise to greatness at United, and subsequent greatness that from my point of view makes him a Real Madrid legend.
Sure he could be a legend for both clubs, but for me, I feel like there is something lacking.
For me, it's about how much you can see the player and the club as one, and who have performed at a (relative) high level over time or who have inspired greatness in the squad.
The difference between Cantona and Ronaldo, and what makes Cantona a legend for me, is that in his short time at the club, he practically molded Scholes, Giggs and a few others into the on-pitch characters they became. (or at least I've read that his influence on the squad was immense and helped them never to settle with a win).
The same can be said for Keane, even if he in recent years has done his best to sound like a right cnut, he clearly was a leader who you could define as a Manchester United player.
Now, you might say that George Best, as a legend, resembles the same as Ronaldo, but for many of us the difference is how we feel like a stepping stone for Ronaldo, wheras Best was our golden boy for 10-11 years. He built up and spent his career at Manchester United. Ronaldo came, was a brilliant player who won a lot with a good team, and then left because his heart was set on another club.
His individual greatness might make him a legend in some fans eyes, and that's a perfectly fine way to look at it.
But that doesn't mean that those of us who don't find him to be a Manchester United legend because of those reasons are buffoons.
Charlton, Schmeichel, Cantona, Keane Edwards, G. Neville, Best, Robson, Giggs, Scholes, (even) Beckham and more, when i hear those names I picture them (those i saw) in my head with a United shirt on as I identify them with greatness and Manchester United.
Ronaldo I personally see as a great player, one of the greatest in the history of the sport, but I don't think of his greatness at United when I think of him, I think of his raise to greatness at United, and subsequent greatness that from my point of view makes him a Real Madrid legend.
Sure he could be a legend for both clubs, but for me, I feel like there is something lacking.
I loved Becks and was devastated when he left, but you could see what he was up to months in advance.
For me the overriding factor as to whether someone will go on to be considered a legend is what they did on the field - which is why the misdemeanors of the likes of Beckham, Ronaldo and even Keane - don't really matter.
Now if a player signs for City and then goes on to cheer them on over us in a derby or something it's a different story.. oh, no wait, it isn't because Schmikes did that.
These discussions always end up the same because, ultimately, they are subjective.
I do think butt hurt over him leaving comes into it a lot of the time with Ronaldo TBH (not saying thats the case with you, just in general).
We were a stepping stone for Ronaldo. He liked the club, he's grateful for all SAF, etc did for him, but he never quite loved it like he does Real. He's one of their legends, but not ours.
Fantastic player, did wonderful things for us. But we shouldn't be persuaded by his post-United media flirtations with us. Legends "feel" and "breathe" the club. I don't think Ronaldo does. He's just grateful that we provided him the opportunities to become who he is today.
Fantastic player, did wonderful things for us. But we shouldn't be persuaded by his post-United media flirtations with us. Legends "feel" and "breathe" the club. I don't think Ronaldo does. He's just grateful that we provided him the opportunities to become who he is today.
Becks was a United fan and loved the club and apparently still does. He had a fall out with Fergie and as Fergie stated earlier this week his stubborness and disciplinary messures might have been the reason for many of these transfers and loss of titles. But as you stated the writing was on the wall for him way earlier. I just felt that Becks left because of the falling out not because he didn't want to stay. Ronaldo always wanted to leave.
I love Ronaldo. His time here was inconsistent to begin with, but when he straightened himself out, he was like watching a firecracker every game. Every single game. He's the type to get you out of your seat, the type that you call your friends and say 'I can't believe what I just saw', his work ethic, his dedication to the sport, his fitness and mental maintenance, the way he took care of himself off the pitch, and his love for our club (even though he left) means to me he is a legend.
He's not up there with the likes of Giggs, Charlton, Cantona etc, who are a tier higher, but he's definitely one of the greatest we had, and was the significant factor for our successes 06-09.
I hope he reads this and he sheds a single tear.
He's not up there with the likes of Giggs, Charlton, Cantona etc, who are a tier higher, but he's definitely one of the greatest we had, and was the significant factor for our successes 06-09.
I hope he reads this and he sheds a single tear.
Anyone think DDG is a club legend?
Not a legend imo. Neither is Rooney or de Gea.
Nope. Not even close.
In comparison to Ronaldo:
Not won (or played in) a champions league final
Not won European/world awards for being the best (goalkeeper or player).
Not broken club records
Not played for more than 5 years
Not carried on playing brilliantly after being denied his dream move (yet)
Not got us 80 million squids for his trouble
Both similar levels for me. Quality players who I have no connection to.
Playing well for Madrid afterwards means nothing for being a club legend.
What do people mean when they talk about players "loving" the club? Most of the players that played for United under Sir Alex did so because we paid them exceptionally well, not because they loved the club. If we didn't pay mega wages then the number of players that would've stayed here regardless is extremely small.
No question for me:
Our key player in 3 consecutive PL titles against Abramovich-Chelsea, 1 CL and only our fourth player to have won the Ballon d'Or.
Our key player in 3 consecutive PL titles against Abramovich-Chelsea, 1 CL and only our fourth player to have won the Ballon d'Or.
I can't understand this.
Ronaldo certainly felt something strong for United and Sir Alex. Tonaldo Ronaldo loved us and we loved him.
Get him on a plane, bring him back from Spain
If we didn't pay them mega wages, wed be undervaluing what they are really worth and in a way exploiting them (people are going to get up in arms about that word)
What was the next cost of Ronaldos time here..?
Just looking at transfer fees and wages, nothing? Or did he earn us 40 million?
Ronaldo loved us.
That's sweet.
That's sweet.
No. He was a fantastic player for us, but he's not a legend in my eyes. A legend is not just someone who was amazing when playing, but someone who had/has a legendary status at the club. Beckham might qualify considering he came up through the youth, but even he left during his peak. Keane, Giggs, Scholes, Rio , Best, Law etc are legends in my eyes, but not Ronaldo.
Don't think I can ever refer a player that saw us as a stepping stone a legend. Didn't even think twice about dicking us around to get a new deal at Madrid.
Is Zidane a Juve legend or Real Madrid? Which team do people assiciate him with...
Yes he's a club legend. It's just that he will never be loved to the degree of Giggs, Scholes, Best etc.
For me, Real definitely.
I really don't understand this. Rooney has given United his best years and stayed here for 10 years +, and is in the verge of becoming United's top scorer of all time.
While I understand that fans may be pissed about him flirting with City and Chelsea, fact is, he's still stayed (Yes I'm aware he got much more money, but that's a topic for a different discussion) and given his all every game. 100% legend for me.
Probably both, but its a hard call. If I had to call it I'd associate him more with Juve personally.
Well, it's just opinion. My list goes something like this, in no particular order: Cantona, Robson, Bruce, Pallister, Keane, Irwin, Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Vidic, Rio, Evra, VDS.
You have low standards in literally every aspect of football.
I hope it doesn't transpire to your private life.
How can VDS be a legend and Schmeichel not, exactly?
I meant to prove that Ronaldo isn't cina! My horrendously horrible private life has nothing to do with this so leave it out yeah!
Schmeichel went to City. feck him.
You proved nothing because, as pointed out above, DDG has achieved nothing close to what Ronaldo did.
I mean feck, at least Ronaldo had the decency to sign a new contract so we could get a proper fee!
Definitely Real legend.
That's silly. He went there 3 years after he left us, at the end of his career, when City were minnows that we didn't even really give a toss about as a team. Schmeichel gave us the best years of his career.
Silly to you, not to me. I remember thinking he was an absolute turncoat at the time, and still do.
Do you consider Law a legend?
Never saw him play, I'll leave that to older people to debate.
One of our best ever players, but sheer ability doesn't make you a legend on its own.
Well that doesn't matter really, as going off your logic, he won't be a legend, so whether or not you have seen him play or not shouldn't matter.
Da Gea is gonna be our most talented player three years in a row....
Him and Ronaldo are just great players not legends.
Just because someone is the best doesn't make them a legend IMO.
I judge players I've seen in my lifetime. Law retired before I was born, I can't consider historical facts and measure them with what I thought at the time, as I didn't exist at the time. At the time Schmeichel went to City, I recall thinking he was a turncoat. If I had been alive when Law did the same thing, perhaps I would have thought similarly.
I like how you say talented as opposed to best when mentioning three years
Ronaldo was THE best player in the world when he was here, and look how much we won in those 3 years with him. Sure, De Gea has put in great performances for us but Ronaldo was on another level in terms of what he contributed to our success. I do not see the comparison as a valid one at all.
Righto. So Best isn't a legend in your eyes then, as you weren't around to see him play? very short sighted mate IMO. Legends get remembered through time, we pass our knowledge onto the next generation to allow what they've achieved at the club live long into the future and be remembered. History.
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