Is Cristiano Ronaldo a United legend? | Poll added

Is Cristiano Ronaldo a Man Utd legend?


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I define a footballing legend as someone who you remember without much need to probe.

If someone says 'remember when United capped off the double against Chelsea in 08' it's usually follow with 'the season where ronaldo was the best in the world?' Or something to that effect...like that season was just him.

But because it didn't go on for a long period of time, he can't be seen in the iconic way you view a Busby, Charlton, Best, Ferguson, Keane, Scholes or Giggs.
 
the word legend is overused expression. He was great for us but he peaked somewhere else and didn't play for us as long as needed for being legend in my eyes..
 
Well in my view a legend is more than just beeing a (very) good player for a team. Ronaldo was very good, but that alone does't make him a legend imO.

Rooney is a United legend.
 
Wait, so you think it's actually feasible that someone who supports Utd wouldn't think Ronaldo is one of the best players we've had? The 2 yes options seem pretty comprehensive to me, unless you see something beyond those 2 options? I certainly don't in this thread. Maybe a rename to 'one of the best' is fair.

I'll change the no option if you really want to be that pedantic (despite the fact that I haven't seen anyone in here say no and then give a reason other than that one), but the 2nd yes option is fine as is. What's wrong with presenting multiple options so you can get a wider range of opinions? If every poll was a straight out 'yes'or 'no' then they'd be pretty fecking dull.

And anyway, it's a fecking poll, not some vote for presidential election. If you don't think it has an option suited to you then don't vote. Oh wait, you did vote, lolz.

I misunderstood what you were referring to when you said anyone who doesn't think that is a moron. I thought you were referring to the him being a legend bit.

And no, I didn't want lesser options. I wanted the option that most have stated in the early part of the thread, a 4th one which most people mentioned. Not a legend as he didn't stay long enough but one of the best players we had. Looking back, I do agree it's unnecessary as it's a given.

I picked the one closest to what I believe. Lolz indeed.
 
the word legend is overused expression. He was great for us but he peaked somewhere else and didn't play for us as long as needed for being legend in my eyes..
He played 1 year longer than Cantona, with no ban.
 
Who made this rule up?

Me...and I'm sure plenty of others feel the same. I don't understand have you can perceive someone to be a legend when they wanted to leave, in their prime. To me, they don't love the club enough to be a legend. They don't deserve that status, regardless of their on pitch performance. It's about more than stats, or even being the best player in the world.

If he was still here now, then undoubtedly he'd be a legend. Probably our greatest. But he's not. Using our club as a stepping stone to achieve his dreams does not convey legendary status.
 
Beckham got moved, Ronaldo asked to be moved. There is a difference, Beckham would have wanted to play for United his whole career. He stated some years back that he would have loved to do things like Giggs or Scholes.
 
ive said this before, he wasn't the goal machine he is now for us but he was a more exciting player to watch
He was very exciting to watch in his first season at Madrid. The 09/10 season contained lots of goals that came from dribbles. It was when Mourinho came to the club (the 10/11 season) that he reduced the amount he took on players, perhaps in a bid to lessen the strain on his body so that he was able to play more matches throughout the season (when Mourinho came to the club the number of matches Madrid played in a season increased greatly due to Madrid going much further in both the CL and the Copa) as well as Madrid playing very fast, counter-attacking football under Mourinho and he probably wanted players to release the ball quickly rather than attempt to take on other players so as to not slow down the counter-attacks.

He still dribbles occasionally, I should add. Last season from what I can remember, his goal vs Levante, his assist for Benzema vs Malaga and his goal vs Rayo (yeah the keeper made a mess of it and it is not the most aesthetically pleasing goal but Ronaldo still had to cut in across the defender to get his shot off) and his assist for Marcelo against Schalke came from beating people. There were other occasions where he went on a good run but nothing came from it in the end.

Here is a video of his goals from his first season at Madrid. It is not too long (it is only 4 and a half minutes) and it is well worth a watch IMO. There are a lot of great goals in there that have come from dribbling as well as some nice ones from long range.

 
the word legend is overused expression. He was great for us but he peaked somewhere else and didn't play for us as long as needed for being legend in my eyes..

He was also arguably the most exciting and entertaining player on the planet when he played for us. The entertainment today factor certainly isn't what it was circa 2005-09.
 
I agree he left way too soon, 2010 could have been the season where he left for Madrid, what also makes him less of a legend, he wanted to leave in 2008 made summer 2008 such a hellish summer, taking the focus away from our success, and focuses of his need to jump ship has soon as he hit his potential.

I don't think he single handedly won is the league, we had one hell of a back 5, and we were such a well oiled unit, but he was one of the main reasons behind our dominance

Even Ronaldo's top 2 seasons in that sense were where when Vidic and Rio were at their peak. So the comparison still works for me.
 
Beckham got moved, Ronaldo asked to be moved. There is a difference, Beckham would have wanted to play for United his whole career. He stated some years back that he would have loved to do things like Giggs or Scholes.

You think Beckham had no vested interest in moving to Real?

OK mate.
 
He played 1 year longer than Cantona, with no ban.
good remark but I also agree that his dream club was Madrid and it's the apex of his career there. Do you think one player can be a legend for two clubs by the way? I also think Cantona was a bigger character, one of the biggest ever in the club which makes him a real legend, and he finished his career here and very soon not long after his 30th birthday.

I don't think it's black and white anyway, you'd need to define the word LEGEND. I'd give points for number of games played for club, goals/assists/clean sheets, finishing his career here, starting his career here, peaking in the red jersey, trophies won, performance levels, fighting spirit, playing for the badge thing, overall fans thinking of the player and character he brought to the team and how he represented the club.... some of it is obviously immeasurable and subjective which makes it hard to decide
 
Not a legend for me. Great player, one of the best we have had, but I can't see someone as a legend when they whinged to move to another club for half the time he was here.
 
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Didn't play here at his peak for long enough. And the fact he used us a stepping stone loses him points. Would say he's one level below legendary status.
 
Because he won us titles? Because he was the main catalyst for those titles? WTF

Without him...well I can't imagine us having a good time
What so every player that's been amazing for us deserves legendary status here, regardless of whether they didn't even want to be here for one or two years before they fecked off to Madrid? He speaks kindly of United still, and I'm sure this subject will be a lot clearer in 5 or so years time when he's retired, but right now you can't really say whether Ronaldo is a club legend here or not. The fact he was our best player during a massively successful period doesn't really cut it for me.
 
I would define ability legends as world class players who didn't stay long enough: Ronaldo, Cantona, van Nistelrooy

Whereas true club legends are those who were both world class and stayed with us most of their careers, winning trophies and being pivotal members of our team: Scholes, Giggs, Neville, Best, Robson - and possibly Edwards as he played his whole career with us prior to his death (and who knows how long we'd have kept him).
 
What so every player that's been amazing for us deserves legendary status here, regardless of whether they didn't even want to be here for one or two years before they fecked off to Madrid? He speaks kindly of United still, and I'm sure this subject will be a lot clearer in 5 or so years time when he's retired, but right now you can't really say whether Ronaldo is a club legend here or not. The fact he was our best player during a massively successful period doesn't really cut it for me.

He was easily our best player during our most successful run, as well as the best player in the world for a year, which easily qualifies him since no other United player spare perhaps Best, has achieved all three.
 
Might be just me, but for me, what a player achieved on the pitch is sort of more important than what they were supposedly 'thinking', 'feeling' or 'dreaming of' while they were doing it.
 
He was easily our best player during our most successful run, as well as the best player in the world for a year, which easily qualifies him since no other United player spare perhaps Best, has achieved all three.
I know I acknowledged that, and that's the main reason I can understand where you're coming from. However, after being established as the best player in the world, he left us and went to Madrid. You can't truly consider him to be a club legend because of that? A club legend to me is someone who's main club is/was United, as in when you say this players name you think of United over anyone else. It also has to be someone who was successful here and gave everything to this club, which obviously Ronnie ticks.

Perhaps I'll change my mind in a few years when he's sat on a punditry panel discussing his career experiences and constantly expressing his love for United, ala Becks.
 
Perhaps I'll change my mind in a few years when he's sat on a punditry panel discussing his career experiences and constantly expressing his love for United, ala Becks.

Meh, talk is cheap. Beckhams behaviour in his final days at Utd was far worse than anything Ronaldo ever did here.

.. and I was far fonder of Beckham than I was of Ronaldo.
 
Meh, talk is cheap. Beckhams behaviour in his final days at Utd was far worse than anything Ronaldo ever did here.

.. and I was far fonder of Beckham than I was of Ronaldo.
Perhaps, but Beckham was a huge, lifelong United fan who simply fell out with the manager as fame got to his head. I'd imagine he massively regrets his behaviour back then!
 
I know I acknowledged that, and that's the main reason I can understand where you're coming from. However, after being established as the best player in the world, he left us and went to Madrid. You can't truly consider him to be a club legend because of that? A club legend to me is someone who's main club is/was United, as in when you say this players name you think of United over anyone else. It also has to be someone who was successful here and gave everything to this club, which obviously Ronnie ticks.

Perhaps I'll change my mind in a few years when he's sat on a punditry panel discussing his career experiences and constantly expressing his love for United, ala Becks.

It was disappointing that he left but I don't hold that against him since I don't consider it a relevant factor. For me, legend status just represents a sort of emotional connection with how I remember him as a United player relative to what he achieved as a United player.
 
Meh, talk is cheap. Beckhams behaviour in his final days at Utd was far worse than anything Ronaldo ever did here.

.. and I was far fonder of Beckham than I was of Ronaldo.


Yeah, he was awful. Beckham that is. But fantastic PR has changed fans' perception of him.
 
It was disappointing that he left but I don't hold that against him since I don't consider it a relevant factor. For me, legend status just represents a sort of emotional connection with how I remember him as a United player relative to what he achieved as a United player.
Perhaps, as @17 Van der Gouw said, there are two types of legends a club can have. The sort of legend you're describing, that gave his all to the club whilst he was here and made us very successful, and the true club legend that is United through and through as well as that.
 
good remark but I also agree that his dream club was Madrid and it's the apex of his career there. Do you think one player can be a legend for two clubs by the way? I also think Cantona was a bigger character, one of the biggest ever in the club which makes him a real legend, and he finished his career here and very soon not long after his 30th birthday.

I don't think it's black and white anyway, you'd need to define the word LEGEND. I'd give points for number of games played for club, goals/assists/clean sheets, finishing his career here, starting his career here, peaking in the red jersey, trophies won, performance levels, fighting spirit, playing for the badge thing, overall fans thinking of the player and character he brought to the team and how he represented the club.... some of it is obviously immeasurable and subjective which makes it hard to decide

Real Madrid might have been Ronaldo's dream club given his nationality, and the whole Iberian connection, but overall he treated United and the supporters with a great deal of respect. A lot of the circumstances surrounding the departure are being rewritten, when apart from moaning the odd time, he never had a bad word to say about the club. This is why someone like Sir Alex still speaks of him in glowing terms, this is why his name is still sung in the stands, this is why he got a hero's reception on his return to Old Trafford, and seemed visibly moved after the game. We can't just hold his goal of playing for Madrid against him forever, there needs to be some closure regarding his departure.

And a player can certainly be a legend for two clubs simultaneously. Even aside from his time as the manager, Johan Cruyff for one is a legendary player at both Barcelona and Ajax, even though one could argue his best days as a player came at the latter club. Van Basten left Ajax at age 22, he won 3 Ballon D'Or titles at Milan and 2 European Cups; but he's still a legend at Ajax. Kevin Keegan won 2 Ballon D'Or titles at Hamburg and is considered to be a legend at the club, even though he played there for only 3 years. And that also doesn't take away from the fact that he is also a legend for Liverpool, despite him leaving at a young age, and playing 'only' 6 seasons with the club, some might even argue his absolute individual peak was at Hamburg :

http://forums.liverpoolfc.com/threads/334658-Kevin-Keegan-an-LFC-Legend-or-not

Ronaldo might have played longer at Madrid, but United fans still adore him, a lot more that even the fans of his current club. He might've played more matches for Madrid, and won 2 Ballon D'Or titles there vs 1 with United, but from a collective standpoint, he still won more at United. Why is there such a massive over-riding importance with longevity or retiring at the club? He played 6 seasons with the club, almost 300 matches, won everything there was to win, went from an 18 year old kid to out best player under Fergie, probably our best since Best. And then moved on to the next chapter of his career, something that's being held against him here for some reason, instead of taking a minute to appreciate what he did for the club. Just because he is a Madrid legend doesn't mean he can't be a United legend too. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive, despite argumentation to the contrary. There's way too much focus on arbitrary criteria, instead of his tangible effect on the club.
 
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Perhaps, as @17 Van der Gouw said, there are two types of legends a club can have. The sort of legend you're describing, that gave his all to the club whilst he was here and made us very successful, and the true club legend that is United through and through as well as that.

Yes there seem to be several varieties of legends depending on who is defining what a legend is.
 
He's more a Madrid legend than a United legend.
 
good remark but I also agree that his dream club was Madrid and it's the apex of his career there. Do you think one player can be a legend for two clubs by the way? I also think Cantona was a bigger character, one of the biggest ever in the club which makes him a real legend, and he finished his career here and very soon not long after his 30th birthday.
I think a player can be a legend at two clubs, and to me that's pretty obvious. I can *almost* see why people might think otherwise, but only in a very childish way.

Whats funny is that, I imagine that there a few Madrid fans who have a very similar debate about Ronaldo. For all the records he has broken, how much has he won during his time there? Slightly more than zidane which helps his cause, but they must look at his haul with United with a little envy, at least before last years Champions League.

Is Ronaldo a united legend. He took the club from being pretty mediocre (at times) in 2003 to being another level in 2008 + 2009. He won us the Champions League, nearly twice... He basically, for me, made us the biggest and best club in the world again, and I wonder how many would disagree?

He made us the biggest and best club in the world.
 
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Which is also a bit odd to grasp given that he's won more trophies at United.
More plus we absoultely dominated the period he was here, whereas Ronaldo couldn't prevent Madrid looking second fiddle to their biggest rivals.
 
More plus we absoultely dominated the period he was
to be honest Ronaldo has been very unlucky that he's had to compete with the greatest club team and player of all time, if he was in a different era Madrid would have won a hell of a lot more with Ronaldo.
 
to be honest Ronaldo has been very unlucky that he's had to compete with the greatest club team and player of all time, if he was in a different era Madrid would have won a hell of a lot more with Ronaldo.

He would've also probably won another CL at United if not for his shorter rival.
 
to be honest Ronaldo has been very unlucky that he's had to compete with the greatest club team and player of all time, if he was in a different era Madrid would have won a hell of a lot more with Ronaldo.
Indeed, and I imagine it will grate at every Madrid fan forever...
 
He would've also probably won another CL at United if not for his shorter rival.
Not sure about that he was pretty anonymous in that second final against Barca and that's when our slow decline started aswell imo.
 
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