Irish Politics

Based on the Tally people focussing on second preferences, Gerry Hutch probably odds on to get in
 
golden_blunder said:
I don’t like the fact that I may vote for person A and their votes may transfer to person B even through that person is someone I absolutely would not vote for
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You're in control of that though. If you absolutely don't want your vote going to someone in particular you don't give them a number. You could just give someone number 1 and leave it at that if you felt that strongly about it.

If you do down in order of preference of those you would accept, in the absence of the ones above, I don't see the problem.
 
McGrathsipan said:
As in they voted for a real criminal instead of the white collar criminal?

Modern politics is in the gutter.
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I mean, those two things, whilst both objectionable, aren’t remotely the same thing, even before you get to the much simpler point that those were not the only two options, but to play your game, yes.
 
I know a lot of people will be fed up with another FFG fixup and will be disappointed at these election results but Ireland can be very proud that it has largely rejected the freakshow of right wingers in most constituencies.

Long may the Irish right wingers continue to put up local lunatics with questionable criminal records! Rather than what the UK suffered when Farage (a thug in a blazer) acted as an acceptable face of facism and skewed the whole political agenda into a toxic wasteland.
 
buchansleftleg said:
I know a lot of people will be fed up with another FFG fixup and will be disappointed at these election results but Ireland can be very proud that it has largely rejected the freakshow of right wingers in most constituencies.

Long may the Irish right wingers continue to put up local lunatics with questionable criminal records! Rather than what the UK suffered when Farage (a thug in a blazer) acted as an acceptable face of facism and skewed the whole political agenda into a toxic wasteland.
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#dontmentionthehutch
 
neverdie said:
Stephen Donnollly looks like might lose his seat.
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Not surprising. I know someone who was part of a delegation who had a lengthy meeting with him this year and their assessment of him was “insultingly underprepared”.
 
Brophs said:
I mean, those two things, whilst both objectionable, aren’t remotely the same thing, even before you get to the much simpler point that those were not the only two options, but to play your game, yes.
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I think it's just a feck You to the establishment.
The USA have done it recently too.
Not saying I agree with it

Down where I am we have a daughter of an ex Fianna TD about to get a seat on nothing more than her fathers reputation. She's useless and so far up her own hole it's a bit disgusting.

I am in despair at the whole thing.
 
McGrathsipan said:
I think it's just a feck You to the establishment.
The USA have done it recently too.
Not saying I agree with it

Down where I am we have a daughter of an ex Fianna TD about to get a seat on nothing more than her fathers reputation. She's useless and so far up her own hole it's a bit disgusting.

I am in despair at the whole thing.
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Is that Noel Dempsey's daughter?
 
It’s what happens when the centre doesn’t deliver, forces people to the fringes. We’ve just been fortunate enough that a lunatic with national appeal hasn’t come along.
 
McGrathsipan said:
I think it's just a feck You to the establishment.
The USA have done it recently too.
Not saying I agree with it

Down where I am we have a daughter of an ex Fianna TD about to get a seat on nothing more than her fathers reputation. She's useless and so far up her own hole it's a bit disgusting.

I am in despair at the whole thing.
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I get all of that. And sure, if you really want to let FFG know how you feel, you can make yours a protest vote. Where you vote for the ponytailed 46 year old independent who still lives with his mum and who looks like the sort who offers Kerry Katona a hundred quid for one of her bottled farts on OnlyFans. But Hutch? He’s a violent, self-serving criminal who has no place in public office of any kind. People voting for him is an insult to the countless lives he has ruined.
 
Brophs said:
I get all of that. And sure, if you really want to let FFG know how you feel, you can make yours a protest vote. Where you vote for the ponytailed 46 year old independent who still lives with his mum and who looks like the sort who offers Kerry Katona a hundred quid for one of her bottled farts on OnlyFans. But Hutch? He’s a violent, self-serving criminal who has no place in public office of any kind. People voting for him is an insult to the countless lives he has ruined.
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This cannot be overstated.
 
Brophs said:
I get all of that. And sure, if you really want to let FFG know how you feel, you can make yours a protest vote. Where you vote for the ponytailed 46 year old independent who still lives with his mum and who looks like the sort who offers Kerry Katona a hundred quid for one of her bottled farts on OnlyFans. But Hutch? He’s a violent, self-serving criminal who has no place in public office of any kind. People voting for him is an insult to the countless lives he has ruined.
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100%
 
moses said:
This cannot be overstated.
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Not to re-do the whole thing again but Gannon's ideas on it reflect mine:

“I appreciate what the headlines will be today and tomorrow, but I do encourage everybody to go beyond them and look deeper, because when people are hurting to the extent that they are in some of the communities that I represent, or the length and breadth of Ireland, you’re going to see outcries of that.

“It’ll manifest in different ways and I think we’re seeing one manifestation of that today.

Gannon said he doesn’t believe support for Hutch is a “protest vote” against the government, but rather a “cry for help” – “not help from that individual (Hutch), [but] from the State that has neglected them”.

“Those communities have been torn apart. There are three generations of families living under one roof. There’s an inability to access basic services,” he said.

“Don’t ask them to act in a normalised expectation of behaviour, because that’s not going to happen. We’ve seen the results of that today.”
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Now it is a protest vote because a "cry for help" as he has it under those circumstances, socio-economic intergenerational poverty, is a protest vote.
 
It being a protest vote doesn't mean those who made it shouldn't be ashamed of themevelves. "Protest" doesn't allow you wash your hands of moral accountability for supporting scum.
 
neverdie said:
Not to re-do the whole thing again but Gannon's ideas on it reflect mine:


Now it is a protest vote because a "cry for help" as he has it under those circumstances, socio-economic intergenerational poverty, is a protest vote.
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So a man responsible for misery and death says that? Grand. Gannon is in a position where he cant call his candidates brain-dead morons who make a mockery of democracy, but I'm not. I've been protesting for over 30 years and it never once crossed my mind that an evil cnut like him was the way to go.
 
moses said:
So a man responsible for misery and death says that? Grand. Gannon is in a position where he cant call his candidates brain-dead morons who make a mockery of democracy, but I'm not. I've been protesting for over 30 years and it never once crossed my mind that an evil cnut like him was the way to go.
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That's what Gannon said. Just to be clear. I think he's right. They chose the worst option on the ballot, by a mile, because they knew it would offend the state. These are pretty poor people. Facing even worse prospects. My blame, is with Gannon, on the economic structures that give rise to it.
 
neverdie said:
That's what Gannon said. Just to be clear. I think he's right. They chose the worst option on the ballot, by a mile, because they knew it would offend the state. These are pretty poor people. Facing even worse prospects. My blame, is with Gannon, on the economic structures that give rise to it.
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I know how poor or rich they are. My family are from there. They are the state in this context, he represents them, the fecking morons. They will suffer the most, nobody else. I'd be shocked if Gannon said the same in private.
 
Speaking of scumbags, turns out assaulting people isn't a vote winner:

 
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