Desperate people have desperate thoughts. But yes, it absolutely is a failure in their brains.
Irish Politics
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
It's not funny or relevant. Vote them out but don't vote worse in.
How is it not relevant? You think material conditions have nothing to do with people's voting patterns?
I'd imagine a lot of the people who voted for Hutch want to see the whole system burn. Most will have been shat on their entire lives by the state.
I grew up in West Tallaght and went to school in Drimnagh in the 80s, I know these people. I know how the state has treated them. None of this points logically to them voting for this cnut, that's all on them. It's their choice to not engage to the point where they vote like morons. The same areas bred socialist TDs.
Edit - the idiot I know who voted for him grew up in the same estate as a member of the European Parliament Lynn Boylan, which was basically the same as the housing estate I grew up in 5 miles away. Personal choices my friend.
Poverty is structural, being up your own hole and not paying attention is not.
Calling someone a socialist is like dropping the N bomb these days. A gift from an even worse political establishment.
Yeah, I'm a proud socialist, and again other people's ignorance won't change that. But not the point I was making. Let's not patronise the working classes here either. They need to be better at this.
And dressing hutch up as a small gangster is even worse
Part of their proposal was to build homes to sell to a specific earning bracket that they would control the sale price of. So these homes would be owned by an individual after being built at a very low construction cost by the government(or most probably at a realistic cost and sold at a loss, fronted by the taxpayer). This affordable cost would obviously still require a mortgage, of a completely different type as the asset underneath is not allowed to appreciate with the market. Nobody currently offers them in Ireland. The buyer would pay said mortgage, the rates of which would probably be way higher than a normal rate because of the things mentioned previously, and have a home that's value isn't behaving in line with the market.
I know this sort of stuff is done in different countries, but to try and introduce it in Ireland in 2024 given our existing problems seems like a bit of a pie in the sky plan. Why not put all of that money into low cost rentals which would allow people that want to buy homes to accumulate deposit savings, and those that don't to just rent forever?
I’m sure you know there’s a shit load of people (I say people but men, basically) out there who would have voted for Conor McGregor if he ran for election. Would you blame that on FFG too?
Educate us, inform us, and govern us nicely while we make no effort except elect a scumabg to protest because you didn't educate us inform us or govern us well. Give me a break. We are not going to be handed equality, nobody ever is. And we won't get by electing that twat. Read a book you ignorant fecks. This is not 1913 when nobody had a clue and information was on illegally distributed pamphlets. I'm going to the pub to shout at farmers.
You called him a small gangster, I said he is in comparison to the government. But if you want to broadcast your dishonesty, you go right ahead.
I'm a proud socialist myself and I still live in a working class area, I've watched most of my friends having their minds twisted into believing all sorts of demented shit, some of them are very clever as well. Shitty material conditions and propaganda has led us to this point and 4 more years of FFG continuing to rob is is only going to lead us further down this cursed path.
That's very different. He was literally the messiah in Ireland until about 3 years ago. I always hated him, saw right through his bollocks from the start.
Well it's your job to stop it where you see it. Nobody else will. And like with my idiot cousin, it's on me more than FFG. He will be dreading our next meeting.
But the with the Hutch you were on the fence? I jest. I'm off to the pub.
How about a FF FG and SF government?
I've been pretty despondent about this whole election but the idea of them being forced to work together has cheered me up a bit. I haven't really thought it through though
I've been pretty despondent about this whole election but the idea of them being forced to work together has cheered me up a bit. I haven't really thought it through though
Amazing the flexibility in pronunciation of ough in the English language
Give ‘em hell!I do my best, genuinely. There's only so much blame you can assign yourself when the problems are systematic. Unfortunately I can do nothing to counteract the fact that they're a bunch of 30 year olds who live at home with their parents with no prospects of ever leaving.
Enjoy the pub, I'm sure we could all do with a few.
Actually I originally called him a gangster, it was another poster who tried to downplay his ‘job’, and you continued that line by saying the government has been worse.
And on that note I won’t be replying to you any longer because if you think a drug dealer is the lesser evil then I don’t know what to say to you
If FFG had a science and health led approach to drugs, people like him would be far fewer. I didn't, at any stage, say the government are worse than Hutch, I said they've been responsible for far more misery, something that is objectively true. You reducing the misery they've caused to "bad choices" is just so ridiculous. Then again, I guess you are the guy who describes Simon Harris as a nice man...
Anyway, g'luck, have a nice evening.
The gubmint are trying to kill everyone.
Their housing and healthcare policies kill hundreds every year. Not intended murder, mind you, but I'm not getting back into the Hutch debate.
Gerry Hutch increases his lead in 4th place with each count, with Malachy’s distribution still to come
Not intended, but they definitely have access to all the data to tell them the consequences of their actions. I'm not looking for anymore chat about Hutch either by the way. I would just like to see politicians face more accountability for the things they do. We, the public, don't seem to be able to hold them to account even though majority of us voted for change.
You sucked me back in with that comment.
I said by all accounts he’s a nice man based on my wife and her colleagues opinion from his time in the Dept Education
Anyway that really is enough now from me
Seeing Fianna fail being the biggest party again is sickening along with the independents who literally done the Homer into a bush meme around 2008 went in a a fianna faller and out as an independent. The country is still built on a house of cards has turned a profit in 17 years minus the multinational companies
It's a lot longer than 3 years since most people realised that he was a scumbag.
I kind of working under the assumption that when one of FF or Labour gets eliminated they push the other ahead of him. Clare Daly is probably going to be one of the more transfer friendly candidates for him and he didn't pick up much from her.
SD's picking up a lot of votes and should give a decent surplus to Labour.
A lot of lads around my age were hanging on his every word right up until the rape verdict, a lot probably still do, just a bit more quietly. Maybe it's a bit longer than 3 years that he's lost his universal popularity but not by much.
Fair enough if that's your experience but he was going off the rails as far back as 2017 after the Mayweather fight. That's when he jumped into the Bellator ring before the fight was officially over and tried to fight the ref. That was also the year he turned up late, after missing two court dates for speeding, and left his car parked illegally outside the court with the doors up.
The bus incident and the reports of the sexual assault in the hotel were 2018. Smashing that blokes phone and punching the aul lad in the pub were in 2019.
Other incidents and allegations followed but most people I know had realised he was a scumbag well before 2020.
Which one would murder you if you reported a crime, and were called as a witness to a crime committed outside your house? The ones who make greedy decisions over a period of time to enrich themselves through dodgy taxation and zoning kickbacks to their pals or the bonafide drug trafficking criminal with a four decade history of violent crime? There really has to be a distinction of what we expect in an elected official. A fully functional adult should know that a well known violent gangster should not be treated as an equal alternative when their name is on a voting ballot.
You are right about the corruption in government causing misery but this guy is totally different.
I personally want elected officials not intentionally ruin the lives of tens of thousands of citizens, especially not in a "modern democracy" like ours. I won't be getting back into the hutch debate, it's already pissed too many people off.
One of these men will be lucky to see it past Christmas if he has much more Sherry!
Its not me, its you.
FF and FG bods are still calling Sinn Fein a protest vote up these parts on the media.
Who is he?
Tinfoil hat wearing, tech bro adjacent dickhead.
Sounds delightful.