Iran v US confrontation

Finance is a ticking bomb for america.

Another war, and the pension of babyboomer coming in, extreme deficit, it could go ugly in the long run.

The dessert storm in iraq has taken the world by surprises, but as the americans are tied there nations have developed counter weapon for their airforce. Russia anti aircraft missile is designed specifically to counter american airforce. The americans arsenal while still the biggest in the world is getting less impressive. Technology allows the gap to be closer. Unless they're developing some next gen alienshit i doubt they have anything that russia dont have
The airforce which will be used in next wars is very different from that of Gulf War and Iraq/Afghanistan wars. F35/F22 are far superior compared to F15/F16 so even if the Russia anti aircraft systems are designed for the US aircrafts, the aircrafts have changed.

The United States has a far superior military than any other country. Heck, even in a hypothetical (no nukes) war between the US and the rest of the world, the US should be able to reach a stalemate and totally destroy the world economy (though damagin their own economy too).

Agree about their financial problems and the 22 trillion deficit.
 
The airforce which will be used in next wars is very different from that of Gulf War and Iraq/Afghanistan wars. F35/F22 are far superior compared to F15/F16 so even if the Russia anti aircraft systems are designed for the US aircrafts, the aircrafts have changed.

The United States has a far superior military than any other country. Heck, even in a hypothetical (no nukes) war between the US and the rest of the world, the US should be able to reach a stalemate and totally destroy the world economy (though damagin their own economy too).

Agree about their financial problems and the 22 trillion deficit.
How long before their finance situation actually prevents them from going to war or improving as a nation, though? Are they like a ticking time bomb?
 
So trump killed their famous general that they are all mourning over, and their response that all feared for, was to shoot , and then ask for de escalation?


Edit : I definitely think this isn't the end I think this is just a public response and they will much more likely have some sort of deadlier response where they can deny accountability
The response was for the people of Iran. Say to them that we dare to attack US, are claiming 80 US soldiers dead etc, while also not killing the US so it makes possible for the situation to de-escalate.

The real military response will come later and it will be business as usual. Proxy attacks for which they won't take responsibility.
 
The airforce which will be used in next wars is very different from that of Gulf War and Iraq/Afghanistan wars. F35/F22 are far superior compared to F15/F16 so even if the Russia anti aircraft systems are designed for the US aircrafts, the aircrafts have changed.

The United States has a far superior military than any other country. Heck, even in a hypothetical (no nukes) war between the US and the rest of the world, the US should be able to reach a stalemate and totally destroy the world economy (though damagin their own economy too).

Agree about their financial problems and the 22 trillion deficit.

F22... yes. F35 hasn't been tested in full combat yet. Theoretically it should provide network centric capabilities and all that.

Keep in mind the US and NATO lost their shit when Turkey opted for S400 systems over the Patriot, over fears it would compromise F35 capabilities.
 
How long before their finance situation actually prevents them from going to war or improving as a nation, though? Are they like a ticking time bomb?
Hardly the biggest expert in finance, but their debt to GDP ratio is the highest (at least from developed countries) after Japan, and it has been increasing rapidly (under every administration). I think that next to healthcare, it is one of the biggest issues they have (not counting global warming which is a global issue). They have very good credibility on their debt/bonds though, cause they have never defaulted in any payment. So what I expect to happen is that they will issue new bonds (which every country does), though on what scale I don't know.

They've been spending more money in military than the next 10 or so other biggest spenders together, so they should be able to finance wars (which will affect their economy negatively, but likely war with Iran will result in a global recession).
 
The response was for the people of Iran. Say to them that we dare to attack US, are claiming 80 US soldiers dead etc, while also not killing the US so it makes possible for the situation to de-escalate.

The real military response will come later and it will be business as usual. Proxy attacks for which they won't take responsibility.
Yeh that's my thinking.
 
So trump killed their famous general that they are all mourning over, and their response that all feared for, was to shoot , and then ask for de escalation?


Edit : I definitely think this isn't the end I think this is just a public response and they will much more likely have some sort of deadlier response where they can deny accountability

They will never win an open war against the US and they know it. This looks like a PR stunt, as it was the Iranian general shoot-down by Trump, as also it was Bin Laden ambush by Obama (but on this case they conveniently got rid of the body)
 
No casualties... minimal damage. No American or Iraqi lives lost.
 
Ffs can’t he talk like a normal person for once.
 
No casualties... minimal damage. No American or Iraqi lives lost.
That's a relief. Means a measured response from Trump. If American soldiers had been killed then escalation would've been inevitable.
 
How does the American public/Republicans take the lack of a military response? Can Trump get away with it or is he facing pressure to retaliate and live up to his caps lock twitter diplomacy?
 
Calling on UK, France, Germany ect to break from the Iran deal. How is that going to fix things?
 
Their actions will not be tollerised anymore
 
A lot of focus on the Iran deal. Talk about more sanctions. Thankfully doesn’t seem like it will be more military action for now.

And now he’s praising himself.
 
F22... yes. F35 hasn't been tested in full combat yet. Theoretically it should provide network centric capabilities and all that.

Keep in mind the US and NATO lost their shit when Turkey opted for S400 systems over the Patriot, over fears it would compromise F35 capabilities.

That has nothing to do with the F35's capabilities in combat but more to do with rogue IT personnel/technicians (i.e. Russians) understanding how to calibrate the S400 to detect the various stealth profiles of the F35.
 
How does the American public/Republicans take the lack of a military response? Can Trump get away with it or is he facing pressure to retaliate and live up to his caps lock twitter diplomacy?

Not sure how this will play out, that's the fun part...
 
How does the American public/Republicans take the lack of a military response? Can Trump get away with it or is he facing pressure to retaliate and live up to his caps lock twitter diplomacy?
What I was wondering last night...
Anybody else seeing Trump supporters suddenly walking it back from “oh well the president tweeted he’d strike back so this is it!”...to... “well there’s no American casualties so technically we don’t have to strike back” ?
For real though... is he about to manufacture another crisis just so he can back down from it and call himself a peacemaker?
Can't wait to see how literally 99% of the people I live around respond to this.
 
As long as he doesn’t say anything stupid on Twitter & Iran doesn’t directly launch further attacks, hopefully this doesn’t escalate any further.