The US doesn’t want this conflict and Trump knows that.
Iran v US confrontation
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His sec def and NSA do; his NSA has spent his life building up for this war. So does his party, who senators have been tweeting publicly about the need for immediate escalation. So do conservative columnists, who have been writing articles about the need to sink Iran's navy.
They are not the US. And neither are the GOP and warmongers of the party.
I edited my post to reflect how anomalous Trump is on his side on the political spectrum.
I edited my post and now I’m off to bed. G’night all.
Then I don't know what the "US" is. The GOP, the party in the White House and the Senate, is one of the major power centres of the US. So is the cabinet of the president. So are arms manufacturers, etc, and while Saudi and Israel aren't "the US", they are certainly influential for US policy.
So he is opposing significant concentrations of state and business power, including those allied with him, in making this statement.
So he is opposing significant concentrations of state and business power, including those allied with him, in making this statement.
True.
We have still to recover from Iraq.
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Someone who cares about human beings would not cage innocent children.
I will never understand the concept of having to cross a red line once it's been drawn, even if crossing the red line is a stupid decision. Sounds like something Slim Charles said on the Wire. "We fight on that lie" or some other bullshit.
https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...-us-navy-plane-with-35-crew-as-message-to-us/
An Iranian general said Iran decided not to shoot down a U.S. Navy plane with a crew of 35, opting instead to shoot down a nearby U.S. Navy drone, as a warning to the United States.
An Iranian general said Iran decided not to shoot down a U.S. Navy plane with a crew of 35, opting instead to shoot down a nearby U.S. Navy drone, as a warning to the United States.
A decision that saved countless lives. Or them bullshitting. Either way, glad that didn’t happen.
Well. Of course US people are happy with their democracy. As your tiranny is suffered international. Lets say that USA is a democracy and decided to kill the rest of the world: " but is a democracy!" "Oh, is alright then". External policy from US had beenterrible for many countries. Coups, manipulating elections (laughable that now you acuse rusia of something that you had been doing forever like funding Boris Yeltsin) in several countries, warmongering. But hey, you are fecking democratic! Lovely
And yes, demicracy in US as in many other westerb countries is a fecking charade. They make you believe taht you have a choice
To not speak the inposition of your economic system, capitalism that put in shackles 80% of the world (an EU as responsible) and fecked the ecosystem of the planet.
And yes is not an exageration
Democracy! Yas!
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No one believes a word they say. Can the rest of the world come together and bring sanctions to USA, like ban them from using their weapons outside their borders or something along those lines? They just terrorize the whole world and the world is fed up.
Cheers mate, it’s just depressing reading comments (mainly elsewhere, e.g. on the Times) like “Iran is a terrorist state” etc, when they are actually a country filled with people more aligned to western values than to those of their closest neighbours, but happen to be ruled by a backward theocracy who crave being the pariah state because it gives them total control. Sanctions and war have only served to punish a society already suffering enough at the hands of their government.
The day Iran liberalises and dusts off shackles of authoritarianism will be amazing. But it’ll immediately put Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar to an extent and potentially Israel - although I think they’ll actually be alright with having their old ally back - immediately on the back foot. Competing with a much more industrialised and educated nation open to business is far less appealing than the current situation.
This is classic Iran. They have to even every single score and when Trump shouts about everything as a victory, it just means Iran will look at responding every time. Israel at least never confirms or denies anything, so Iran could just quietly retreat when they got wiped out in Syria a few months ago.
You’d need a world government for that, which of course doesn’t exist, so back to square one.
Could happen. But in a longer run. And probably in terms of just not bowing anymore to usa. But i dont think any sort of real sanction is possible. Most countries has started to flirt with china despite knowing it'll anger the usa.
I used to think the way to tell the difference between him and Red Dreams was that he was the more stable, level headed one.
Now they've both lost it and are indistinguishable.
So, Fox think Trump’s lying about his decision to not kill 150 folk last night.
Going to come as a shock to some is that.
Pence wouldn't have hesitated unlike Trump to pull the trigger on Iran. He is an end of the world kind of christian.
Neither would do anything without consulting advisers.
They are both spineless.
Well Bolton is the National Security Advisor and he would have been chomping at the bit to strike Iran.
Do we really want a war that kills hundreds of thousands. Trump should be applauded for showing restraint amongst such hawkish advisors but he is criticised whatever he does by some.
No. Trump should be bitch slapped for breaking a valid agreement that Iran was honouring.
What he said about holding back was a blatant lie. Even Fox is questioning it.
Don't worry there will soon be the bestest and most bigly deal with Iran.
"We're not going to have Iran have a nuclear weapon," Trump said. "When they agree to that, they're going to have a wealthy country. They're going to be so happy, and I'm going to be their best friend. I hope that happens."
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-iran-military-strike-nuclear-comments-2019-6?r=US&IR=T
lets not forget the money we are going to make from their oil.
MIGA
Trump Tower Tehran coming up
We have great phones there! As if Camp David is the island from Lost or something...
Tucker rips Bolton.
You know he had a 2nd ass kissing script written in case we had bombed Iran.
Clear subtext here is that Tucker is trying to get Bolton fired, or at a minimum warn Trump that Bolton is bad news for his political future.
Bolton ahould be toast after this.
He’s just arrived in Israel for talks.
i didnt even notice him until the last few months but hes wild. youve got donald trump, a guy who has been saying racist stuff in public his entire life, has committed dozens of sexual assaults, built his entire career on fraud and yet hes never faced even the slightest bit of negative consequences. but now, as the most powerful person on the planet, hes going to get taken down because some campaign staffers met with foreign operatives? even those his position has protected and rehabilitated war criminals with far more monstrous crimes in recent memory?
its q anon levels of delusion.
Hey... capone was jailed for tax evasion
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/06/1...fk-toronto-pearson-airports-ali-kourani-iran/
Let’s hope Trump and the rest don’t do anything too foolish. Hezbollah scoping out places in the US to attack.
The article sounds a bit provocative.
No way Bolton lasts until campaign season.
Just now:
Trump announces hard hitting sanctions on Iran. Announcement given by Mnuchin.
Trump announces hard hitting sanctions on Iran. Announcement given by Mnuchin.
Sounds like the more politically viable alternative to hitting them kinetically, and probably far more painful to them in the end.