Is that a serious question? Why should a country that has repeatedly threatened to exterminate another not have weapons that would make it easy for them to do so?
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Is that a serious question? Why should a country that has repeatedly threatened to exterminate another not have weapons that would make it easy for them to do so?
US exceptionalism in a nutshell for you. Do as we say, not as we do.
I am convinced that any other Republican (they all supported ending the deal) would have gone with at least airstrikes if not an invasion by now, and if Trump himself wasn't involved in decision-making in this admin., everyone else in his cabinet would have agreed to an invasion.
You're holding countries to moral standards, as in "don't interfere with elections just cause the CIA did it too" (from the Russia thread).
You also think that what the CIA did is wrong, because by saying "two wrongs don't make a right" the second wrong you refer to is the CIA interfering with elections.
So why did you involve a "right and wrong" argument in the past when you said here that it's not about right or wrong:
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I agree with @VorZakone
In the end it all comes down to Right and Wrong.
If the United States dealt fairly with all countries, we would not have innocent people being killed around the world.
the real Terrorists are American politicians who serve business interests and not the interests of the American people.
In the end it all comes down to Right and Wrong.
If the United States dealt fairly with all countries, we would not have innocent people being killed around the world.
the real Terrorists are American politicians who serve business interests and not the interests of the American people.
True that
Because the us and all its parrots try to paint themselves as some kind of moral police of the world and only they are allowed to meddle with other countries to promote democracy, freedom, etc.
Why so many of you hate US? Russia and China committed unbelievable atrocities all over the world and against they own people but no hate against them and the reason you guys are able to be in this forum was because of this country. Even when Obama was the president was still hate and now I think with Trump you guys feel right to hate the country.
whatThank you for your service. *salutes*
If it weren't for the US, the Soviets would have won and this forum would be called redcafe.
you are lost.
And while Russia and China have certainly committed atrocities in their own countries (and sometimes in neighbouring countries), committing atrocities "all over the world" more closely describes US foreign policy for the last... oh, six or seven decades, maybe? And considering this is the thread where we discuss the possibility of the US invading another country in the Middle East, it sort of makes sense to focus on the US. What do Russia and China have to do with this in the first place?
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hell yeah spain
Flipping latinos
Seems high for the U.K. Are they FOX News figures? Haven’t met one single person in the last two and a half years that can even bear to talk about him, never mind trust him. 
Seems high for the U.K. Are they FOX News figures? Haven’t met one single person in the last two and a half years that can even bear to talk about him, never mind trust him.
They are Pew figures. And considering Brexit and the fact that the Prime Minister of the UK is shortly going to be Boris Johnson, I'd say there's a very good chance the figures are real.
There is a difference between hating a country and disapproving of it's foreign policy and use of force.
US War on Terror Kills Nearly 500,000 in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan
https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/us-war-terror-kills-nearly-500000-afghanistan-iraq-pakistan
Impeachment talk/rumours escalate...
Trump administration: 'Oh look over here guys! I'm gonna start a war with Iran, forget what's happening back home, feck Iran, feck themmmmmmm'
Yawn, so effing predictable. The sooner this shite administration feck off/get held accountable for crimes/jailed or whatever...the better. Bunch of dicks.
Trump administration: 'Oh look over here guys! I'm gonna start a war with Iran, forget what's happening back home, feck Iran, feck themmmmmmm'
Yawn, so effing predictable. The sooner this shite administration feck off/get held accountable for crimes/jailed or whatever...the better. Bunch of dicks.
Our PM choice has zilch to do with our views on the Dumpster.
Precisely...it’s purely for distraction. Ignore him and he’ll try something else to distract. Feed him and he’ll carry on with this because it’s working for him.
..except Trump and the criminal Republicans will not be held accountable if Biden becomes president.
He is one of them policy wise.
He is one of them policy wise.
Not everything is about Trump.
Neocons have been championing war with Iran for decades. Long before Trump was even in politics. Hell, Shapiro is going mad on Twitter for Trump not dropping the bomb, Meghan McCain (whose father was a FAR more evil human being and politician than Trump has been so far) talking about how JPCOA agreement genuinely made her fear and shake
. Even now, I have no doubt that Bush/Cheney would have dropped the bombs last night. Credit for the last minute restraint when it's due.
But Trump can't cry about bad advise, and his administration being hawkish, when it was him who hired likes of Pompeo and Bolton who sabotaged North Korea talks, had an embarrassment of a failed coup in Venezuela and now getting upstaged by bunch of Mullahs in Iran.
Starting a hot war in middle east is a death sentence for Trump's original base....not the boomer republican(tm) type who supported Jeb/Rubio until summer 2016 and only went to Trump after the RNC convention. That type sure don't mind any wars, they're always ready to go "USA GO feck THAT PLACE UP YEA LET'S GO BABY".
Ultimately, Trump's decision may depend on which Fox host he's watching at night. Fingers crossed he watches more of Tucker and less of Hannity and the rest.
I don't see it as such. Ultimately, it comes down to the basic reality that the world is one big dominance hierarchy where powerful states set the agenda. The moral aspects of it are obviously going to be subjective based on an observer's political and cultural leanings. The power dynamics are fairly objective since few would disagree that the vast majority of the power in the world exists between 2 or 3 countries.
Pure speculation and smells of bullshit to me. I reckon he was talked out of it by someone and has twisted it into his tweets to make him seem like the righteous and merciful demi-god sparing those 150 lives. Just doesn't seem right. He's been stubborn and petulant his entire presidency...why change now?Not everything is about Trump.
Neocons have been championing war with Iran for decades. Long before Trump was even in politics. Hell, Shapiro is going mad on Twitter for Trump not dropping the bomb, Meghan McCain (whose father was a FAR more evil human being and politician than Trump has been so far) talking about how JPCOA agreement genuinely made her fear and shake
Even now, I have no doubt that Bush/Cheney would have dropped the bombs last night. Credit for the last minute restraint when it's due.
I seriously doubt that given that he seems to violate the rules whenever it pleases him - ranging from obstruction, emoluments, more obstruction, lying etc. Trump has always been a big talking bully who has had little appetite for actual conflict. This case only reinforces that.
Last I heard Bush, Blair and Cheney were still free.
If anyone deserves being tried for war crimes it is these 3 monsters.
Trump is a wankstain but to throw the old ‘war crimes’ chestnut at him is absurd.
When’s the last time a Western statesmen had been charged with a war crime? Nuremberg?
Nonsense. Along with Brexit, it shows a severe lack in character judgment on a part of the population. YouGov has more recent data (collected 2018-2019), which shows a 21% approval rating for Trump. Which isn't exactly the same question as in the Pew poll, but close enough to show that clearly there are Brits out there who like Donald Trump.
Yes and countries like Iran, Russia, China, North Korea etc will do anything they can to maximize their power, just like the US would. So I find your tendency to throw the "two wrongs don't make a right" argument around slightly odd since you also know it's not really about right or wrong anyway.
Whether the strategies adopted by these countries are effective...now that seems a much more interesting discussion to me than the right or wrong stuff.
Correct, but those countries are below the US in the global pecking order and would pay a price. Those at the top can get away with it, those below the top incrementally less so.
David Moyes being removed from every United team photo is the future we missed out on.
Trump’s going to go down for a lot in the future and so are some associated with him. They’re probably anticipating that if they’re honest with themselves and are trying to achieve their objectives, or want to be seen to achieve their objectives, without any undue risk to themselves. Trump couldn’t care less, he thinks he’s invincible. They now realise he is not.