It makes no sense. Especially since coms spoke of a missile strike.
As someone who remembers the Iraq war I don't trust these types of evidence.
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As someone who remembers the Iraq war I don't trust these types of evidence.
Def watch it if you haven't yet. It explains so many things - it's easy to forget all the crap they pulled during the W administration. In essence an attack on our political system that prepped the playing field for Donnie. By the Cheney camp that is - you almost feel sorry for W after watching it. Almost.
They place them below the water line if they want the ship to sink and above the water line if they don’t want to do anything other than try to find an excuse to start a war. Which rules out the Iranians imo.
A lot of PNAC stuff in it?
Oh yes...that's definitely used to show the organized thought process behind it all.
Definitely gonna watch it tonight then.
Cool. Will be curious to hear your thoughts about it here or in the movie review thread.
I’ll get back to you on it!
The Americans said it took place at 4pm gulf time
Possibly related, some reports of a rocket attack on the US embassy in Baghdad.
I agree. That's what I was saying.
twitter is saying this
katyushas are from ww2. im not sure iran would be using them. and this is from may: https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-casualties-as-katyusha-rocket-crashes-into-baghdad-green-zone/
Iran-backed militias certainly would. Hezbollah and the Gaza factions have all used them.
Sure. I'd be shocked if Iran itself used them, that's all.
Now the Pentagon is saying an Iranian missile was fired at a US drone.
It’s gonna take a helluvalot of convincing to even get me to contemplate believing that Iran has gone from compliance with the nuclear deal to this.
It’s gonna take a helluvalot of convincing to even get me to contemplate believing that Iran has gone from compliance with the nuclear deal to this.
If the Iranians did fired a missile at a US drone(btw they didn't, the US is just lying) you have to image there would be some video feedback from the drone., right ?
There’s gotta be something. I’ve just not seen a news source yet that’s said “we’ve seen the tape”.
Which... hmm
Feck knows then, but the video is definitely a thermal camera. There's something going on here but i struggle to make the leap that it's the Americans themselves trying to justify a war.
He didn't say anything wrong though.
All sounds like another load of fabricated bullshit.
Netanyahu is getting implicated in shit in Israel isn't he?
Combined with the Saudis being well, the Saudis.
Enough of a reason to prod Trump in the direction of war even without Trump desperately needing and wanting a war to distract from all of the investigations and the chance (he might not of course) of losing 2020 in a humiliating fashion.
All three nations want iran off the map. Wouldn't be surprised if they're working to do just that.
Combined with the Saudis being well, the Saudis.
Enough of a reason to prod Trump in the direction of war even without Trump desperately needing and wanting a war to distract from all of the investigations and the chance (he might not of course) of losing 2020 in a humiliating fashion.
All three nations want iran off the map. Wouldn't be surprised if they're working to do just that.
I actually agree with him. Don’t make the same mistake Blair made. Trumps team are trying to pick a fight, don’t be his sidekicks
Trump Faking Tanker Evidence?
Going to war for another decade to own the left
One of the points in the video is something I was going to bring up : the Japanese PM was in Iran while the supposed attack was happening.
America is a continuation of the British Empire ... just kidding, I really hope they stop getting in conflicts or at least stop sending young men to the war.
Or causing the oil prices to go up
It is truly infuriating that the same class of pundits that led the cheerleading for Iraq are still in charge at the biggest newspapers. (see also - David Brooks, yesterday, also in the NYT: "Voters, your foreign policy views stink.")
And of course many of the same politicians too. But pundits are less powerful and you'd hope they would be gone by now.
It's fishy as feck.
It doesn't even have to be the US. People think a man that chops up a person in an embassy wouldn't have any problem, sabotaging some tankers?
People on the vessels have given accounts directly contradicting the US.
Inread a long article some years back about how foreign policy think-tanks work. Theyre all from the same hell hole. And most of them get funding from one country...Saudi Arabia. It's sickening.
Follow the funding and one gets to know the true intentions behind any think-tank really.
He’s right though. It’s sickening how the UK rushes to accept the US’s explanation in a desperate plea for approval.
I don't want the UK to get dragged into this shit again either and the US has no trust us we know card to play.
I don't agree with the US pulling out of its deal with Iran either but that doesn't give anyone the right to start blowing up shit on oil tankers.
Can anyone confirm if this Iranian announcement quoted on the BBC is true.
"After the sanctions were tightened last month, Iran announced that "if it could not export its oil, no other country would be allowed to export theirs", Dr Aniseh Bassiri Tabrizi, from the Royal United Services Institute, said".
If it is its damning.
I don't agree with the US pulling out of its deal with Iran either but that doesn't give anyone the right to start blowing up shit on oil tankers.
Can anyone confirm if this Iranian announcement quoted on the BBC is true.
"After the sanctions were tightened last month, Iran announced that "if it could not export its oil, no other country would be allowed to export theirs", Dr Aniseh Bassiri Tabrizi, from the Royal United Services Institute, said".
If it is its damning.
That statement seems to be from last December:
If Iran can't export oil from Gulf, no other country can, Iran's president says
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ountry-can-irans-president-says-idUSKBN1O30MI
It's not the only statement like that, e.g. this from last week:
They've been promising retaliatory measures for a while. People don't seem to understand that the US effectively declared war on Iran with the current sanctions regime, and they're absolutely killing Iran to the point where Tehran may not feel like it has a lot to lose to striking back in whatever limited way possible.
TLW said:
These from April, there are loads more along the same lines:
Iran may close Hormuz Strait if not able to use it: IRGC navy commander
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/04/22/594063/IRGC-Tangsiri-Al-Alam-Strait-Hormuz
"We will defend our honor and will take reciprocal measures when it comes to protecting Iran's rights."
We will export oil as much as we intend: Ayatollah Khamenei
http://english.khamenei.ir/news/6655/We-will-export-oil-as-much-as-we-intend-Ayatollah-Khamenei
"this hostile measure will not be left without a reaction; they will receive the response to their animosity. The Iranian nation is not a nation that would sit idle in the face of hostilities."
UAE's participation in Trump’s game to jeopardize their oil exports: Iran’s ex-FM
"the Emirati sheikhs should know that taking a role in Trump’s dangerous game against Iran will pull down their oil exports to zero."
No country allowed to export oil if Iran’s oil export from Strait of Hormuz halted
"once Iranian oil is not exported via Strait of Hormuz, no other countries are allowed to export their oil through this strait."
Iran may close Hormuz Strait if not able to use it: IRGC navy commander
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/04/22/594063/IRGC-Tangsiri-Al-Alam-Strait-Hormuz
"We will defend our honor and will take reciprocal measures when it comes to protecting Iran's rights."
We will export oil as much as we intend: Ayatollah Khamenei
http://english.khamenei.ir/news/6655/We-will-export-oil-as-much-as-we-intend-Ayatollah-Khamenei
"this hostile measure will not be left without a reaction; they will receive the response to their animosity. The Iranian nation is not a nation that would sit idle in the face of hostilities."
UAE's participation in Trump’s game to jeopardize their oil exports: Iran’s ex-FM
"the Emirati sheikhs should know that taking a role in Trump’s dangerous game against Iran will pull down their oil exports to zero."
No country allowed to export oil if Iran’s oil export from Strait of Hormuz halted
"once Iranian oil is not exported via Strait of Hormuz, no other countries are allowed to export their oil through this strait."