If Kulkarni bowled the 19th and Archer bowled the 20th RR win by 8+ runs
IPL 2019
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Ok that over was pathetic.
Ben Chokes strikes again.
This for sure.
Bit sad that most of these captains are bigger than the IPL itself and feel like they can do what they like . What msd did was pathetic and he should be getting banned for that
What is up with the current state of umpiring?! He got the No Ball call right and changed his mind 20 seconds later. If both on-field umpires can't make up their minds up, why can't we refer those to the 3rd Ump??
Have to say though.. pathetic from Dhoni. No excuse whatsoever to storm onto the pitch like that to itimidate the umpires (even if they are utter shite). Didn't even bother apologizing post match.
He should be banned for a couple of games.. but I bet it'll be a fine or something.
Have to say though.. pathetic from Dhoni. No excuse whatsoever to storm onto the pitch like that to itimidate the umpires (even if they are utter shite). Didn't even bother apologizing post match.
He should be banned for a couple of games.. but I bet it'll be a fine or something.
at all those asking for a ban. It's probably a arguing against umpire or a against spirit of game offence. Should get a match fine and that's it.Level 3 & 4 penalties run to likes of physical assault and such. Not even close. This is level 1 or 2 and even soft by that.
Level 3 & 4 penalties run to likes of physical assault and such. Not even close. This is level 1 or 2 and even soft by that.
It has to be a ban. It has to be a deterrent to never, or very rarely, repeat for others.
If it's soft by L1, are you okay for every match to have the batting side's captain come out and disrupt the game for 5 minutes?
It was ridiculous what he did.
That's why you have match fee penalties to deter captains from repeating this. Make it 100% or even more than that.
Ban for what? Not following spirit of game?
This is equivalent to yellow card offence.
Ashwin does something within the rules of the game and gets bombarded with criticism as if he murdered a bunch of puppies on a live stream. Dhoni storms on the pitch because he disagrees with an umpiring decision, all is good. Also Rahane is a pathetic captain. Why? Just why keep Ben Stokes for the last over?
Yeah you wonder who's doing the thinking at RR don't you. If you keep losing games from a winning position there's something wrong.
Think we'll see a new captain and coach there next year.
Also, you'd imagine Stokes' IPL days are numbered unless someone's willing to take him at a much lower price next year. Good bowler in Tests but he's fodder with a white ball in Indian conditions.
I'd bat him up the order at 3 and drop Smith personally. Give him the chance to build an innings as he struggles to get going if he's asked to slog from ball one. But even then he seems a luxury given the money he cost.
Level 3 & 4 penalties run to likes of physical assault and such. Not even close. This is level 1 or 2 and even soft by that.
You can't come on the pitch to influence the umpires. Its a joke what he did.
Agree.completely about Rahane.
Death, taxes, Stokes failing to defend 18+ runs in the final over.
Agreed with this. He wasn’t even arguing with the umpires decision per se - but more asking why the umpire called a no ball and only a few seconds later to change his mind. The match was on the line with that decision.
Level 3 & 4 penalties run to likes of physical assault and such. Not even close. This is level 1 or 2 and even soft by that.
Still not cool by Dhoni, but a suspension for that would be a bit extreme.
Can’t emphasize enough how dumb a decision it was to bowl Stokes in that final over.
This.
Anyone saying that it shouldn't be a ban for one or two matches should find some other sport to follow.
It was completely unprecedented.
The strength of the punishment should reflect how comfortable the regulator is with the event occurance rate. Is the IPL governing council saying they're okay with what dhoni did happening as often as someone mouthing off in the middle of an over? Imagine if this happens at the same rate as other L2 offenses.
You'd have this happening every 5 matches and the sport would look comical.
Only reason it is L2 is because people would lose their jobs for criticizing Dhoni. Just the way Murali Karthik completely skipped over this in the match presentation.
OMG, the amount of people in here asking for a ban . It was wrong on Dhoni's part, but some here acting like he just shouted on the umpire's face and verbally assaulted him. It was a close game, and the umpire overturned a correct decision( I don't see anybody questioning that), and emotions probably got the better of him. He was wrong, but does it warrant a one or two game suspension? feels a bit extreme.
For a guy who has masterminded Indian cricket's most remarkable moments of the 21st century, he sure gets hated on a lot. Most people on the internet would make you believe that he is a scrub. Every new kid on the block is better than him, apparently. We are going to see how much of a downgrade the next wk( looking at you, Mr Pant) is going to be when Dhoni retires. I for one, am glad that I witnessed the greatest ever Indian captain at his peak. If he was English or Australian, he would have been valued more.
. It was wrong on Dhoni's part, but some here acting like he just shouted on the umpire's face and verbally assaulted him. It was a close game, and the umpire overturned a correct decision( I don't see anybody questioning that), and emotions probably got the better of him. He was wrong, but does it warrant a one or two game suspension? feels a bit extreme.For a guy who has masterminded Indian cricket's most remarkable moments of the 21st century, he sure gets hated on a lot. Most people on the internet would make you believe that he is a scrub. Every new kid on the block is better than him, apparently. We are going to see how much of a downgrade the next wk( looking at you, Mr Pant) is going to be when Dhoni retires. I for one, am glad that I witnessed the greatest ever Indian captain at his peak. If he was English or Australian, he would have been valued more.
OMG, the amount of people in here asking for a ban
For a guy who has masterminded Indian cricket's most remarkable moments of the 21st century, he sure gets hated on a lot. Most people on the internet would make you believe that he is a scrub. Every new kid on the block is better than him, apparently. We are going to see how much of a downgrade the next wk( looking at you, Mr Pant) is going to be when Dhoni retires. I for one, am glad that I witnessed the greatest ever Indian captain at his peak. If he was English or Australian, he would have been valued more.
If he was English or Australian, he'd have been already been thrown out of the T20 and ODI team.
OMG, the amount of people in here asking for a ban
For a guy who has masterminded Indian cricket's most remarkable moments of the 21st century, he sure gets hated on a lot. Most people on the internet would make you believe that he is a scrub. Every new kid on the block is better than him, apparently. We are going to see how much of a downgrade the next wk( looking at you, Mr Pant) is going to be when Dhoni retires. I for one, am glad that I witnessed the greatest ever Indian captain at his peak. If he was English or Australian, he would have been valued more.
Have said it before, we won't be seeing a captain/leader or a keeper of Dhoni's ilk again in our lifetimes, and that will be a lot more apparent when he retires completely, especially in LOI formats where his tactical nous is second to none.OMG, the amount of people in here asking for a ban
For a guy who has masterminded Indian cricket's most remarkable moments of the 21st century, he sure gets hated on a lot. Most people on the internet would make you believe that he is a scrub. Every new kid on the block is better than him, apparently. We are going to see how much of a downgrade the next wk( looking at you, Mr Pant) is going to be when Dhoni retires. I for one, am glad that I witnessed the greatest ever Indian captain at his peak. If he was English or Australian, he would have been valued more.
Pant so far has been a rubbish keeper, cost us the match in the ODI series vs Aus and unless he improves a lot, that would be a problem area in the team. Likewise, in terms of captaincy, Kohli is nowhere near Dhoni's level be it in terms of tactics or motivation/man management. Him and Shastri (who is his loyal yes man) are the main culprits for us not knowing our best 11 and we will be going into the WC still being unsure of who to play at that no. 4 spot.
Same people who can't wait to see Dhoni 'thrown out of the ODI team' were up in arms when people asked the likes of Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid to leave the team and let new faces come in. Not saying what is right or wrong here, but why is it that in case of Tendulkar it should be him 'who should decide when to leave' and no one should have the right of telling him that while in Dhoni's case, he should be dropped as soon as his performance has dropped and has no right to 'a proper farewell', and what not that was thrown around when other legends had overstayed in their teams. Massive double standards there.
If I had to pick a side I'd say legends like Tendulkar in the past, now Dhoni and in future Kohli, should decide themselves when to stop playing, and thats usually how the board has functioned as well, they have earned that much allowance imo. They are good enough to realize when they are hampering the team's performance and call it a day.
No doubt that Dhoni is a liability as a batsman in the modern day game and the pace at which is it is played, and could definitely cost us a big game at the WC, but he seems more of a scapegoat for the ineptness of the selectors and team leadership for not having a stable well set batting unit before the WC. It isn't like Dhoni is finished completely say like Yuvraj, he can still come with good performances and his ability as a keeper and a leader on the field still adds more than enough value for him to have a place in the team.
What we should be talking about is how poor RR are. Butler, Smith, Stokes and Archer might be the best four overseas players in any team and somehow they find themselves near the bottom of the table. Stokes was on the way to the man of the match award till that garbage he served up in the last over.
Erm, what a tangent to go off onOMG, the amount of people in here asking for a ban
For a guy who has masterminded Indian cricket's most remarkable moments of the 21st century, he sure gets hated on a lot. Most people on the internet would make you believe that he is a scrub. Every new kid on the block is better than him, apparently. We are going to see how much of a downgrade the next wk( looking at you, Mr Pant) is going to be when Dhoni retires. I for one, am glad that I witnessed the greatest ever Indian captain at his peak. If he was English or Australian, he would have been valued more.
Regarding the last sentence, imagine Warner or Stokes doing what he did yesterday.
It was a cnut move but as @zing said, anyone who points it out or asks for a harsher punishment would lose their job.
What Dhoni did yesterday was bizarre and pure intimidation . The act should probably earn him atleast one match ban . This needs to be stopped right now otherwise every other captain will start running to the field in middle of the match and questioning the umpires . They will be ready to let go of some part of their match fees if that means a advantage for the team . I am a fan of Dhoni and he has achieved a lot for Indian cricket but what he did was wrong and he needs to be called out for that .
Smith in T20s is hardly top tier and Stokes has never fulfilled his potential in IPL. If you talk about Tier 1 foreigners, it would be the likes of Warner, Russell etc. Buttler can fit into that tier, but not the others.
Smith is still a great batsmen and pretty decent leader. As for Stokes, well he has the X-factor (as cringey as it may sound) - yesterday he scored runs, took wickets, an incredible catch and threw it all away in 8 balls.
1. In wider context, this is not a frequently recurring event and I don't think this incident or size of penalty will change that.
2. To be taken into context is that Dhoni was seeking clarification and not trying to bully the umpires. It was a bizarre decision which confused both the playing batsmen and pretty much everyone in the audience. Explanations definitely need to be asked...but that was just not the right/place time...but then again...it was final few balls of a nail biting match and getting clarity at that moment was critical.
3. Just like Yellow/Red card in football, ICC Code of Conduct also gives out penalty points for every violation. Reach 12 (I think) and it's suspension. L3 incidents like physical violence get 12 automatically and immediate suspension. For minor offences, accumulation will get you suspended like a second yellow. We don't know how much points Dhoni got for this.
They are led by one of the most uninspiring person in Rahane. Kohli may not be the best tactician as a captain but give him this squad he will do much better than rahane. Heck he even makes shreyas Iyer look a decent captain. This season is a gonee for RR but they need to have smith leading them next season.
Clarity on what? The umpires clearly said it was not a no ball. Dhoni went there just to bully them into giving it.
Funny enough because first it was the umpire who called it a noball and then the replays did confirm it was a no ball. What dhoni did was not correct and he is righlt fined but to completely absolve umpire's stupidity is also wrong. Never have we seen a situation when an umpire calls for a noball only to reverse it without any confirmation. Had the umpire not called for a noball then this situation wouldn't even have arised. Any captain would have wanted a clarification especially in such a crunch situation.
I’m not absolving the umpire of anything. It was an incorrect decision. I’m asking what was left to clarify? The umpire made it very clear to both batsmen that he’d ruled it a legal delivery. Multiple times. Jadeja then decided to stop play anyway and walk to the square leg umpire and then Dhoni walked in to try and make them change the decision. Clarity is needed when there’s confusion, there was none at that point when the umpire repeatedly said he’d deemed it a legal delivery. Whether the umpire was right or wrong does not matter.
Clarification was needed the moment umpire changed his decision without consulting with the third umpire. Furthermore, the replays did confirm it was a clear waist high no ball. The wholse situation was a mess created by the umpire, had he not given the no ball in the first place then there wouldn't have been any confusion. Again what dhoni did was not correct and he should not be coming to the ground like that but to expect a captain to just stay normal and act as if nothing happened at such a crunch situation is bs. It is just like a referee giving a player red card only to change it and expecting other team to just stay quite and carry on. Umpires should have discussed with each other and gone on to third umpire to check whether it was actually a no ball or not instead they did nothing and just carried on.
I've asked before, what is this clarification that needed Dhoni himself to come onto the pitch?
Clarification of calling no ball and then suddenly changing it without consulting with the thrid umpire.
You're just running in circles. Everyone accepts Dhoni walking was wrong. We we're just disputing your point that no clarification was needed. It was a unique case both the umpiring decision, the way the decision was made and reaction to that decision was all wrong. One led to other. I don't believe such unique set of circumstances would frequently occur or is severe enough to warrant an outright ban.
That was already asked by Jadeja, multiple times, hand gestures and all included and answered by the umpire. Dhoni disagreeing with it doesn't give him the license to walk onto the pitch and bully the umpires.
The only clarification that was warranted there was whether the ball had been signalled a no ball or not. Nonetheless, Jadeja made a right fist out of going further and those questions was already sought and provided to him.
Its not the first instance of a wrong decision so justifying what happened post that based on it is a joke but meh. Its become a tedious conversation, I agree.
Jeez but how do we know umpire actually gave a clarification and even if he gave it still doesn't make sense considering it was a no ball. When have we seen this ever happen when the umpire has given a no ball and then changing it without even going to the thrid umpire. People saying this is not a gully cricket for dhoni to come on to the ground but the same should apply for umpire, this is not a gully cricket for the umpires to just change the decision without consulting with the third umpire. You cannot have one rule for the player and one for the umpire.