IPL 2017 | MI Champions. Win by 1 run

Also feck my luck in this.

My last three captains have been Watson. McCullum and Smith. feck off. Need Watson to pick two wickets.

I think Watson has regressed in everything to do with cricket. Get rid of him.

P.S. On today's match, looking forward to seeing Delhi's two exciting batsmen - Samson and Pant. I believe Pant is the most talented young player coming through in Indian colours.
 
Samson with a century. And Morris with a highly entertaining innings

Not sure RPS can chase this especially with no Smith in the squad

Also how pretty is Isa Guha?
 
As well as not having enough pace bowling you can't help but feel RPS are making stupid decisions in terms of team composition. Every other team seems to have worked out that you get your most destructive batsman coming in either as an opener or at three and yet Stokes languishes away at five for them, Smith should be opening whilst we're at it.

Smith/Rahane/Stokes looks a far more destructive first three than they've put out so far (not that Rahane and destructive belong in the same sentence).
 
Dhoni treating RPS like Mathew mcconaughey treating his son (murph's brother) in interstellar. Couldn't give 2 shits about the team

Dhoni is already dreaming about being in CSK. Probably why he isn't captain and why the RPS owner is critiscizing him on Twitter.
 
He's already finished, shouldn't even be playing any form of cricket at this point.

He's been in fairly obvious decline for a few years.

I just can't help but feel this RPS team is a team stuck in the past in virtually every way whilst others are moving forwards.
 
He's already finished, shouldn't even be playing any form of cricket at this point.

he has 0 involvement in the game. No tactical discussion no advice to bowlers. Nothing. Just keeping.
 
As well as not having enough pace bowling you can't help but feel RPS are making stupid decisions in terms of team composition. Every other team seems to have worked out that you get your most destructive batsman coming in either as an opener or at three and yet Stokes languishes away at five for them, Smith should be opening whilst we're at it.

Smith/Rahane/Stokes looks a far more destructive first three than they've put out so far (not that Rahane and destructive belong in the same sentence).

Not really sure why you would have smith open and stokes at 3. Smith is hardly a destructive force more like a quick scoring merchant with singles and 2s and the odd 4s. Stokes is best at 3 down. Like how Corey Anderson plays for Delhi. Batting should be Rahane Faf Smith Tiwary Stokes Dhoni Bhatia and the bowlers with Tahir.
 
He's been in fairly obvious decline for a few years.

I just can't help but feel this RPS team is a team stuck in the past in virtually every way whilst others are moving forwards.
They aren't getting to the playoffs, that much is clear. Any team that pays Ashoke Dinda to play cricket deserves that, too.

he has 0 involvement in the game. No tactical discussion no advice to bowlers. Nothing. Just keeping.
Yeah, he's not really a part of the group but just think he's only doing harm to his reputation by continuing to play now, let alone next year.
 
The owner of the team tweeted this is why smith is a better captain than Dhoni or something the other day when they won
 
Not really sure why you would have smith open and stokes at 3. Smith is hardly a destructive force more like a quick scoring merchant with singles and 2s and the odd 4s. Stokes is best at 3 down. Like how Corey Anderson plays for Delhi. Batting should be Rahane Faf Smith Tiwary Stokes Dhoni Bhatia and the bowlers with Tahir.

That's old fashioned thinking for me. Ideally I wouldn't have Smith opening, but he's their only decent batsman and you might as well go with the 'get your best batsman facing the most balls' theory. As for Stokes, his best T20 form has always come at the top of the order, add to the fact that he's a much better player of pace than spin, and that the top order have been dire so far then it's a no brainer for me.

He's basically been forced into being a bowling allrounder by England's embarrassment of riches at the top of the order, but he's a far better batsman than he is a bowler in this format. It's silly not to make the most of that.

At the very least thats pro-active rather than reactive. So far their better players have come in essentially having to rebuild.
 
Surprised the pinch hitter isn't used more in T20. The reward outweighs the risk imo.
 
Most T20 openers are as good as pinch hitters in fairness. It's not like guys like Baz Roy Gayle and all play any other way
 
Think the idea as pointed out by others was to also see out the swing in the first couple of overs. The new Eden pitch is greener than usual. The risk of losing an established batsman was reduced. Worked out like a charm in the end.
 
Don't agree at all. It leaves specialist batsmen facing fewer balls than they would otherwise.

Which is only an argument against if you assume that a specialist batsman is always going to strike at a higher SR than a pinch hitter.
 
Which is only an argument against if you assume that a specialist batsman is always going to strike at a higher SR than a pinch hitter.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Team averages would be involved as well -- it disrupts the batting order and the amount of time every batsman gets to get in. I have no data of course and can't really argue further, but just disagree with the view.
 
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Team averages would be involved as well -- it disrupts the batting order and the amount of time every batsman gets to get in. I have no data of course and can't really argue further, but just disagree with the view.

That's a valid concern I suppose, but I think the T20 era of players being allowed to play themselves in to an extent is largely already gone, and most 'modern' T20 batsman are accustomed to going from ball one and are flexible with where they bat. I can't really think of a 'new player' in the ilk of someone like Gayle who would start slowly and then explode and therefore should be comfortable with the changing dynamic as and when the game situation changes.
 
I don't think you can categorically say whether it's a good or bad idea. Would depend a lot on the team and the circumstances. Personally, I'm not in favour of it but you could argue for it in certain cases. You only have 120 balls and last thing you want is your pinch hitter coming in and eating up valuable balls trying to slog it especially at the top. Your front line batters are more likely to do the job for you.
 
I really don't know what advantage you get in a t20 game by using pinch hitters. You expect your batsmen to go at around 120 ish SR at least. it used to make sense in ODIs earlier as SR of 70 was quite common. These days most batsmen are pinch hitters themselves
 
I really don't know what advantage you get in a t20 game by using pinch hitters. You expect your batsmen to go at around 120 ish SR at least. it used to make sense in ODIs earlier as SR of 70 was quite common. These days most batsmen are pinch hitters themselves

I don't understand the distinction you're making. All thats changed is the equation.

If 120 is now 'at least' a good SR (I'd argue that its actually a pretty shit SR and why I don't rate Rahane or Dhawan in this formant but thats another argument) than a pinch hitter that will score at considerably more than that – lets call it 180 – at the start of the innings makes exactly as much sense as a guy who would score faster than 70 in your other example.

I think this is the way T20 cricket will go though. Less emphasis on personal milestones, and teams batting down to 11 featuring several instances of quick scoring cameos throughout the innings.
 
I don't understand the distinction you're making. All thats changed is the equation.

If 120 is now 'at least' a good SR (I'd argue that its actually a pretty shit SR and why I don't rate Rahane or Dhawan in this formant but thats another argument) than a pinch hitter that will score at considerably more than that – lets call it 180 – at the start of the innings makes exactly as much sense as a guy who would score faster than 70 in your other example.

I think this is the way T20 cricket will go though. Less emphasis on personal milestones, and teams batting down to 11 featuring several instances of quick scoring cameos throughout the innings.

Imo finishers are more important in a t20 game than people who give starts. A pinch hitter is better suited to come like how Morris did the other day. Someone who is capable of coming in the end and taking a probable 170 to a 185.
 
RCB will never win anything with Gayle, but he sells tickets.

Ideally, you want Kohli opening, AB at 3 and a gun finisher at 5/6 with Gayle being shipped off.
 
Gayle for Head is such an obvious change really.

Anyway, this pitch is a bit shit.
 
Badree with a hattrick in his first game.

:drool: Considering the bowlers RCB have been using for a while now, with the exception of when Starc was there, I never understood why they never played Badree. He was on contract and didn't get a game all of the last Ipl. As I type this he takes his 4th wicket :drool:
 
:drool: Considering the bowlers RCB have been using for a while now, with the exception of when Starc was there, I never understood why they never played Badree. He was on contract and didn't get a game all of the last Ipl. As I type this he takes his 4th wicket :drool:

Didn't he get injured himself last IPL?
 
Didn't he get injured himself last IPL?

He was injured at the beginning following the world t20, can't exactly remember when he became fit again. I was under the impression he was available further down in the IPL, which is where these thoughts came from, though I could be wrong.
 
He was injured at the beginning following the world t20, can't exactly remember when he became fit again. I was under the impression he was available further down in the IPL, which is where these thoughts came from, though I could be wrong.

Who did Shamsi replace? It was him or Starc I thought, and then Jordan came in as well? I think they replaced him, but maybe he got fit after that but obviously they couldn't re-pick him then.
 
143 is a very low score in the IPL. 155-160 at least gives your bowlers something to work with. A few bad overs defending 160 doesn't mean you're out of the game. Always have a good chance of winning defending a score like 160.
 
Mills has to have the best slow ball in cricket. It's absurdly good.

143 is a very low score in the IPL. 155-160 at least gives your bowlers something to work with. A few bad overs defending 160 doesn't mean you're out of the game. Always have a good chance of winning defending a score like 160.

On this pitch 145 is about par I'd say.