By the way, I'm Rudolph to Edgar's Santa, at least while I have time - not sure about the labels, but this is me notifying all of you of my non-neutralness
International peak draft
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Are you full on Russian or just moved there? If it's the former then your English is incredible.
This is me informing you of my suckupiness
told you before the draft, easiest(still great fun, dont get me wrong annah) possible draft we can play....90% of top players had at least one great tournament where they were at their peak or very close to it. So you pretty much have an all-time draft without any restrains + lesser players that had a great tournament so the pool is even bigger.
Exactly
There's obviously an element of some taking up the chance of rolling it up with the NT All Time XI idea.
I can see some players with no real NT tourno pedigree overlooked... but also those with great pedigree but no great career getting passed on.
Knowledge of tournos is obviously an issue too (e.g. haven't seen Copa greats getting a look-in).
I just wonder to what extent the neutral will really factor in the nuance when the managers are already a bit patchy with it beyond World Cups.
Exactly
There's obviously an element of some taking up the chance of rolling it up with the NT All Time XI idea.
I can see some players with no real NT tourno pedigree overlooked... but also those with great pedigree but no great career getting passed on.
Knowledge of tournos is obviously an issue too (e.g. haven't seen Copa greats getting a look-in).
I just wonder to what extent the neutral will really factor in the nuance when the managers are already a bit patchy with it beyond World Cups.
If you saw the discussion @mazhar13 and I just had you'd have a little more faith
International Peak Draft
EAP 1. J. Cruyff 2. Cafu 3. L. Messi 4. J. Masopust 5. B. Schuster
Sjor/Physio 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. E. Figueroa 3. A. Iniesta 4. L. Figo 5. P. Lahm
Isotope 1. D. Maradona 2. E. Davids 3. R. Baggio 4. S. Kocsis 5. D. Passarella
2Mufc0 1. Pele 2. P. Rossi 3. R. Rivellino 4. R. Koeman 5. Dunga
Tuppet 1. M. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. N. Santos 4. F. Puskas 5. J. Bozsik
Pat Mustard 1. M. Platini 2. F. Cannavaro 3. L. Thuram 4. M. Kempes 5. B. Lizarazu
Skizzo 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Rivaldo 3. Ronaldinho 4. A. Cabrini 5. J. Kohler
Enigma 1. G. Müller 2. B. Moore 3. P. Maldini 4. Didi 5. H. Stoichkov
Onenil 1. M. van Basten 2. F. Rijkaard 3. R. Krol 4. P. Breitner 5. Gullit
Mazhar/Arbitrium 1. Jairzinho 2. J. Neeskens 3. Zico 4. D. Santos
Joga Bonito 1. F. Baresi 2. G. Facchetti 3. P. Falcao 4. B. Charlton
Gio 1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Sammer 3. Z. Zidane 4. R. Carlos
Raees/Invictus 1. Eusebio 2. A. Brehme 3. M. Desailly 4. O. Varela
Annahnomoss 1. K. Hamrin 2. N. Liedholm 3. G. Nordahl 4. G. Gren
Moby 1. Xavi 2. G. Scirea 3. C. Alberto 4. L. Suárez Miramontes
DownCast 1. J. Fontaine 2. R. Kopa 3. T. Henry 4. L. Blanc
Reminder: Please don't hesitate to leave your pick to somebody if you expect to be busy while your turn is coming soon.
@mazhar13
@Arbitrium
EAP 1. J. Cruyff 2. Cafu 3. L. Messi 4. J. Masopust 5. B. Schuster
Sjor/Physio 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. E. Figueroa 3. A. Iniesta 4. L. Figo 5. P. Lahm
Isotope 1. D. Maradona 2. E. Davids 3. R. Baggio 4. S. Kocsis 5. D. Passarella
2Mufc0 1. Pele 2. P. Rossi 3. R. Rivellino 4. R. Koeman 5. Dunga
Tuppet 1. M. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. N. Santos 4. F. Puskas 5. J. Bozsik
Pat Mustard 1. M. Platini 2. F. Cannavaro 3. L. Thuram 4. M. Kempes 5. B. Lizarazu
Skizzo 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Rivaldo 3. Ronaldinho 4. A. Cabrini 5. J. Kohler
Enigma 1. G. Müller 2. B. Moore 3. P. Maldini 4. Didi 5. H. Stoichkov
Onenil 1. M. van Basten 2. F. Rijkaard 3. R. Krol 4. P. Breitner 5. Gullit
Mazhar/Arbitrium 1. Jairzinho 2. J. Neeskens 3. Zico 4. D. Santos
Joga Bonito 1. F. Baresi 2. G. Facchetti 3. P. Falcao 4. B. Charlton
Gio 1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Sammer 3. Z. Zidane 4. R. Carlos
Raees/Invictus 1. Eusebio 2. A. Brehme 3. M. Desailly 4. O. Varela
Annahnomoss 1. K. Hamrin 2. N. Liedholm 3. G. Nordahl 4. G. Gren
Moby 1. Xavi 2. G. Scirea 3. C. Alberto 4. L. Suárez Miramontes
DownCast 1. J. Fontaine 2. R. Kopa 3. T. Henry 4. L. Blanc
Reminder: Please don't hesitate to leave your pick to somebody if you expect to be busy while your turn is coming soon.
@mazhar13
@Arbitrium
Didn't know Chris Kamara was dutch.
International Peak Draft
EAP 1. J. Cruyff 2. Cafu 3. L. Messi 4. J. Masopust 5. B. Schuster
Sjor/Physio 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. E. Figueroa 3. A. Iniesta 4. L. Figo 5. P. Lahm
Isotope 1. D. Maradona 2. E. Davids 3. R. Baggio 4. S. Kocsis 5. D. Passarella
2Mufc0 1. Pele 2. P. Rossi 3. R. Rivellino 4. R. Koeman 5. Dunga
Tuppet 1. M. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. N. Santos 4. F. Puskas 5. J. Bozsik
Pat Mustard 1. M. Platini 2. F. Cannavaro 3. L. Thuram 4. M. Kempes 5. B. Lizarazu
Skizzo 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Rivaldo 3. Ronaldinho 4. A. Cabrini 5. J. Kohler
Enigma 1. G. Müller 2. B. Moore 3. P. Maldini 4. Didi 5. H. Stoichkov
Onenil 1. M. van Basten 2. F. Rijkaard 3. R. Krol 4. P. Breitner 5. Gullit
Mazhar/Arbitrium 1. Jairzinho 2. J. Neeskens 3. Zico 4. D. Santos 5. Gérson
Joga Bonito 1. F. Baresi 2. G. Facchetti 3. P. Falcao 4. B. Charlton
Gio 1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Sammer 3. Z. Zidane 4. R. Carlos
Raees/Invictus 1. Eusebio 2. A. Brehme 3. M. Desailly 4. O. Varela
Annahnomoss 1. K. Hamrin 2. N. Liedholm 3. G. Nordahl 4. G. Gren
Moby 1. Xavi 2. G. Scirea 3. C. Alberto 4. L. Suárez Miramontes
DownCast 1. J. Fontaine 2. R. Kopa 3. T. Henry 4. L. Blanc
Reminder: Please don't hesitate to leave your pick to somebody if you expect to be busy while your turn is coming soon.
@Joga Bonito
Full on Russian. Not sure that your praise is justified though, the overcomplicated nature of my sentences comes from inability to form shorter and simpler phrases, but thanks!
Or Scottish
He's got some balls winging it for Gullit until R5.
Ridiculous.
Tourno draft? More a "rebuild your favourite team" draft. Which must be lovely, but seems to me runs against some of the real standouts. E.g. nobody would want to rebuild Mexico 86 Argentina, although they were far better and tactically nuanced/interesting than they get credit for.
I'm not min-maxing this draft or making any ranking lists this go around.
They tagged me for my first pick literally when I was still in my final match with Downcast so I decided to spend no research or thought and just draft for fun this time. I couldn't even think who to draft first pick as my brain was still in full Final intensity mode so I just went for first non-South American team that popped into my head
Also, just another thought, the specific rule about single tournament being the basis to judge performance skews it more towards the GOATs IMO as someone like the all-time leading WC goal scorer never had a single dominating tournament so its no surprise he is still unpicked.
International Peak Draft
EAP 1. J. Cruyff 2. Cafu 3. L. Messi 4. J. Masopust 5. B. Schuster
Sjor/Physio 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. E. Figueroa 3. A. Iniesta 4. L. Figo 5. P. Lahm
Isotope 1. D. Maradona 2. E. Davids 3. R. Baggio 4. S. Kocsis 5. D. Passarella
2Mufc0 1. Pele 2. P. Rossi 3. R. Rivellino 4. R. Koeman 5. Dunga
Tuppet 1. M. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. N. Santos 4. F. Puskas 5. J. Bozsik
Pat Mustard 1. M. Platini 2. F. Cannavaro 3. L. Thuram 4. M. Kempes 5. B. Lizarazu
Skizzo 1. L. Ronaldo 2. Rivaldo 3. Ronaldinho 4. A. Cabrini 5. J. Kohler
Enigma 1. G. Müller 2. B. Moore 3. P. Maldini 4. Didi 5. H. Stoichkov
Onenil 1. M. van Basten 2. F. Rijkaard 3. R. Krol 4. P. Breitner 5. Gullit
Mazhar/Arbitrium 1. Jairzinho 2. J. Neeskens 3. Zico 4. D. Santos 5. Gérson
Joga Bonito 1. F. Baresi 2. G. Facchetti 3. P. Falcao 4. B. Charlton 5. K. Rummenigge
Gio 1. L. Matthäus 2. M. Sammer 3. Z. Zidane 4. R. Carlos
Raees/Invictus 1. Eusebio 2. A. Brehme 3. M. Desailly 4. O. Varela
Annahnomoss 1. K. Hamrin 2. N. Liedholm 3. G. Nordahl 4. G. Gren
Moby 1. Xavi 2. G. Scirea 3. C. Alberto 4. L. Suárez Miramontes
DownCast 1. J. Fontaine 2. R. Kopa 3. T. Henry 4. L. Blanc
Reminder: Please don't hesitate to leave your pick to somebody if you expect to be busy while your turn is coming soon.
@Gio
about time....but funny thing is, usually he is the first name on my shortlist and he gets picked in first 2, max 3 rounds yet now when he doesnt fit into my team he lasts until the end of the fifth round
Joga is still around, he's part of the German lobby since he believes me how incredible that 72 team was.
about time....but funny thing is, usually he is the first name on my shortlist and he gets picked in first 2, max 3 rounds yet now when he doesnt fit into my team he lasts until the end of the fifth round
Was rather lucky that both Charlton and Rummenigge (esp with quality right-sided players/forwards not exactly being easy to find) made it back to me, but the same could be said about several 4th and 5th round picks given the pool here - Gullit, Breitner, Didi, Passarella etc.
Heh, was just about to go down that route in this draft but had already done that theme before and wanted to try something more spontaneous and less meticulous. Also the 1972 side is probably the side that I've watched the most - probably more than 10 times, absolutely amazing stuff and I've still yet to see 2 players dove-tail and take the piss as well as 'those 2' did.
It's amazing he lasted this long but then alot of us had picked up second striker/AMs earlier. I was seriously considering picking Euro '92 Gullit and playing him on the right wing but he'd have been unpopular in that position despite having at least one excellent game in that tourno in that role.
I'm quite impressed with the drafting so far TBH, with alot of big tournament notables getting snapped up earlier than usual. There's still some huge performers available, but I'd imagine they won't be around for long.
How long can you resist though if he remains unpicked. He'd fit perfectly into your team right now
.Should I put him out of his misery?How long can you resist though if he remains unpicked. He'd fit perfectly into your team right now
Always a possible issue, I suppose.
I foresee (probably tedious) discussions about how underwhelming the otherwise stellar X actually was.
I also foresee nobody picking a couple of players who weren't stellar on the whole but who shone very brightly for a spell at the highest level (well, what used to be the highest level, anyway).
And people will obviously favour Euro over Copa.
So far it's just been a GOAT fest with simpletons posting drooling smileys at obvious picks, nothing to get hard over for a hipster.
Perhaps these two got counted as one..
Good shout, but it's more about the dynamics of the partership that I'm talking about - unique in every sense of the word and absolutely breath-taking to watch. In terms of chemistry - Xavi, Iniesta are right up there but they are a relatively more conventional partnership (playmaking CM and a facilitating AM - doing them disservice with that description but you get the point). Whereas that duo was revolutionary and simply sumptuous, esp given the romantic factor involved (both being rivals and polar opposites etc) and of course in theory it should have never worked, but somehow those two made it click - nah more than that.
Won't fit your side though
.Btw which genius decided to tag @Balu
. Was hoping they'd go under the radar for some more time, and of course I'm not doing myself any favours here Not sure I'd like him as much in your side, but there's another big favourite of Joga's who'd be absolutely amazing for your team.
Well, yeah. You brought the individuals into the discussion, not my fault at all.Btw which genius decided to tag @Balu
I definitely think my team will attract lots of discussion on the distinction between below peak vs underwhelming and brilliance vs sample size.
Still find it unbelievable just how good they were at knowing each other every single second on the pitch, never seen anything quite like that level of chemistry and understanding. The fact that the duo happened to be the pillars behind one of the most dominant club sides as well as one of the greatest national team runs is a mere afterthought. One of the most unreal things I've ever witnessed in the sport.
I just don't really enjoy playing out the games. If it was just drafts I'd still be in the thick of it.
Klose is great though, very underrated player. His reputation suffers from the general crap-ness of the mid-noughties Bundesliga and from his Bayern move not working out. He was a top striker at his peak around 2006, WC top scorer too, so I don't know why he'd only be appreciated for his longevity. With his goals, his work rate, and his eye for a teammate in the box, he'd be a credit to any side in this draft; all that's really preventing him from being the complete package is his lack of elite technical ability.
Still find it unbelievable just how good they were at knowing each other every single second on the pitch, never seen anything quite like that level of chemistry and understanding. The fact that the duo happened to be the pillars behind one of the most dominant club sides as well as one of the greatest national team runs is a mere afterthought. One of the most unreal things I've ever witnessed in the sport.
Grenoli were incredible as well, but Busquets, Iniesta and Xavi was something else. No wonder when their entire game was built around chemistry and understanding in that pass-and-move style.
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I'm the first to admit the games can reach ridiculous proportions.
I just hope the games are at least - for some - entertaining and/or informative.
In terms of style, the French Klose is also under-appreciated
Amateur. We will show him how it's really done.
Giroud?