Ineos and the women
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Yeah but MUW fans shouldn’t be worried, everything will be okay, nothing suggests the new owners don’t value the women’s team etc. No wonder all the best players are looking to leave this club. Fuming.
Parody club.
Ineos getting a lot of blame for rot that was set in long before they took over.
I’m not sure what to make of the training facility thing but if it’s a choice between the men’s team or the women’s in temporary buildings then I’m not sure anyone would prioritise the women’s team. The problem is Carrington has been neglected and major surgery is needed.
Regarding staff appointments I would think the prospect of trying to improve the women’s set-up is far more daunting than the men’s because it is very likely they just don’t understand women’s football. It’s easy to say bring in the best in class, but we’re waiting on the new backroom staff, time is short and the list of activities is long. I think they kept Skinner because he is a known quantity, not perfect but he has qualified for the CL and won a cup. I would expect major moves next year after they’ve had a chance to really take stock.
As for the players; those we lost last year were down to decisions 2-3 years ago, Earps was always going to leave in my opinion before Ineos came in and this again is a consequence of actions 2-3years ago. I’m glad she called the club out but she was gone last summer for me. Same with the others leaving on a free, this is a consequence of decisions made before Ineos came in. It’s easy to say there are quick fixes but if we are going to build something do we want short termism, or do we want it done properly.
Don’t get me wrong there are definitely things they should be doing, the minimum this season is a DOF, proper leadership and a good transfer window. If we start the season without that then it doesn’t look good.
I’m not sure what to make of the training facility thing but if it’s a choice between the men’s team or the women’s in temporary buildings then I’m not sure anyone would prioritise the women’s team. The problem is Carrington has been neglected and major surgery is needed.
Regarding staff appointments I would think the prospect of trying to improve the women’s set-up is far more daunting than the men’s because it is very likely they just don’t understand women’s football. It’s easy to say bring in the best in class, but we’re waiting on the new backroom staff, time is short and the list of activities is long. I think they kept Skinner because he is a known quantity, not perfect but he has qualified for the CL and won a cup. I would expect major moves next year after they’ve had a chance to really take stock.
As for the players; those we lost last year were down to decisions 2-3 years ago, Earps was always going to leave in my opinion before Ineos came in and this again is a consequence of actions 2-3years ago. I’m glad she called the club out but she was gone last summer for me. Same with the others leaving on a free, this is a consequence of decisions made before Ineos came in. It’s easy to say there are quick fixes but if we are going to build something do we want short termism, or do we want it done properly.
Don’t get me wrong there are definitely things they should be doing, the minimum this season is a DOF, proper leadership and a good transfer window. If we start the season without that then it doesn’t look good.
The men’s team should have priority.
It is, the womens team are being treated disgracefully.
Why couldnt the club have spent a few quid cleaning up and updating The Cliff over the summer and let the womens team have that as a training base for next season instead of expecting them to change in portacabins.
Couldn't agree more mate
Doesn’t it say they prefer to be at Carrington because the pitches and the catering are better? Would imagine the other shared facilities are better too. Either way it looks like they would have been going to a temporary facility somewhere, at least this way they are at Carrington rather than being farmed off somewhere else.
Disgraceful from Ineos.
Brexit Jim will hire Joey Barton next.
Brexit Jim will hire Joey Barton next.
Of course but that doesn’t mean the women should have to use portocabins, it’s a big enough club to provide adequate facilities for both. They literally built a space for them last season and they’ve kicked them out already. It’s shoddy.
Yes I agree.
There has to be more context to this decision?
Does it mean all teams including the women eat, gym and have tactical in the womens center, but the mens team is using the changing room/showers alone?
Or does it mean United womens players have no access to their own building at all for any purpose?
What parts of womens complex were shared by the academy last season? Just the gym or the restaurant? Or do they also have their own shower and changing room etc?
Where will the academy be housed next season?
It would make sense to get all the facts on the table before judging!
Does it mean all teams including the women eat, gym and have tactical in the womens center, but the mens team is using the changing room/showers alone?
Or does it mean United womens players have no access to their own building at all for any purpose?
What parts of womens complex were shared by the academy last season? Just the gym or the restaurant? Or do they also have their own shower and changing room etc?
Where will the academy be housed next season?
It would make sense to get all the facts on the table before judging!
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Cannot for the life of me understand why Mary Earps doesn’t want to be a part of this set-up. It’s a real head scratcher….
Just for this season apparently while the work at Carrington is done.
Not ideal for the women I know, but whats the alternative? No point doing up the Cliff when by the time work has done there the women can move back anyway.
Not ideal for the women I know, but whats the alternative? No point doing up the Cliff when by the time work has done there the women can move back anyway.
Spending a few quid on The Cliff so they can use that is better than putting them in portacabins at Carrington
Is it even possible to relay all the pitches there in time and also move all other activity from there on short notice?
How do you know? I work on a mine site and some of our demountable buildings are excellent, a far more efficient and fast alternative.
I think him saying quite openly that they haven't even thought about the women's team yet, despite the transfer window opening and lots of players leaving/out of contract, might just suggest that this is what they are doing. Rather too much you might suspect.
People hear portacabin and they think portapotty.
It is not. It is utterly unrealistic. All this sucks, but I can’t think for one minute that INEOS would like to come to the public with this announcement - where they come across like they don’t care about the women’s team - without having done whatever they could have otherwise.
Carrington pitches are top of the line. There’s no other you can use away from it that could be a season long solution. Relaying pitches costs 100s of 1000s of pounds - per pitch. It’s a lot of money in what is effectively a season where we are balancing the books.
Seems like they should have been planning for a while. Are they working on the youth teams, or is that too much also?
I think moving the women would be fine if it was just that, and INEOS had shown interest in our women's team elsewhere.
Unfortunately they haven't, Jim hasn't said any of the right things at all, and it's all just a bit shoddy.
Unfortunately they haven't, Jim hasn't said any of the right things at all, and it's all just a bit shoddy.
Good summary.
The womens team being taken out of their own building is in all biggest newspapers in sweden today:
The womens team being taken out of their own building is in all biggest newspapers in sweden today:
Plenty of current and former (female) players in Finland have also raised and commented on the issue.
The timing of Jims comment and the "leak" of this news was not good.. I guess whether you think its a big deal or not if the club had the womens team on the radar they would have managed to avoid this PR-nightmare!
Firstly, the moving of the ladies out of their facility is quite frankly, ridiculous.
And I might end up being torn apart here for naivity with the following, but I'm going to risk it.
As for the prioritisation of the ladies first team by INEOS, I may have written something similar before, but when SJR was asked about them, he did say they'd just won the FA Cup. I'm wondering if that's him acknowledging that whereas they do require prioritisation at some point, at the moment, they're doing ok and not diabolically. So his perspective might be that his focus has to be on the men's first team immediately, as despite their respective FA Cup win, they really are up Dawson's Creek without a paddle.
This might be a bit of a long-winded paraphrasing of kicking the can down the road which I think a few people such as JoJoJo has mentioned, but I think I'm just trying to find any hint for optimistim at the moment!
And I might end up being torn apart here for naivity with the following, but I'm going to risk it.
As for the prioritisation of the ladies first team by INEOS, I may have written something similar before, but when SJR was asked about them, he did say they'd just won the FA Cup. I'm wondering if that's him acknowledging that whereas they do require prioritisation at some point, at the moment, they're doing ok and not diabolically. So his perspective might be that his focus has to be on the men's first team immediately, as despite their respective FA Cup win, they really are up Dawson's Creek without a paddle.
This might be a bit of a long-winded paraphrasing of kicking the can down the road which I think a few people such as JoJoJo has mentioned, but I think I'm just trying to find any hint for optimistim at the moment!
A petition have been created by a United women season ticket holder to demand fair treatment of the womens team:
Demand Equal Treatment and Facilities for Manchester United Ladies Team by Club Owners
"I am a passionate season ticket holder for Manchester United Ladies, and the recent actions of our club has left me deeply concerned and frustrated. The club's treatment towards the ladies team is extremely unfair, and they are being made to feel as if they're unimportant. The United Ladies won the FA Cup last season, yet they have received minimal acknowledgement or interest from the owners, the Glazers and Sir Jim Radcliffe. There have been distressing reports that whilst building work is being carried out on the men's changing rooms, the Ladies have been displaced, forced to give up their facilities at Carrington and use portocabins instead.
To add insult to injury, a number of the ladies' teams whose contracts are now coming to an end are not being renewed. Prominent players such as Garcia, Mary Earps, Nakita Parris, and Katie Zelem are either considering to leave or have already left the club. Today, it was confirmed that Garcia has moved on, with an announcement about Mary Earps expected on Friday, and others likely to follow. This disregard and treatment of skilled and dedicated players is highly alarming and unacceptable.
Our club must do better. We urgently demand that the Glazers and Sir Jim Radcliffe provide equal treatment and facilities for the United Ladies team. It's high time we honor their triumphs and efforts in the same way as the Men's team and give them the respect, acknowledgement, and proper facilities they rightfully deserve. Please sign this petition to support equal treatment for our United Ladies."
https://www.change.org/p/demand-equ...dies-team-by-club-owners?recruiter=512493122&
Demand Equal Treatment and Facilities for Manchester United Ladies Team by Club Owners
"I am a passionate season ticket holder for Manchester United Ladies, and the recent actions of our club has left me deeply concerned and frustrated. The club's treatment towards the ladies team is extremely unfair, and they are being made to feel as if they're unimportant. The United Ladies won the FA Cup last season, yet they have received minimal acknowledgement or interest from the owners, the Glazers and Sir Jim Radcliffe. There have been distressing reports that whilst building work is being carried out on the men's changing rooms, the Ladies have been displaced, forced to give up their facilities at Carrington and use portocabins instead.
To add insult to injury, a number of the ladies' teams whose contracts are now coming to an end are not being renewed. Prominent players such as Garcia, Mary Earps, Nakita Parris, and Katie Zelem are either considering to leave or have already left the club. Today, it was confirmed that Garcia has moved on, with an announcement about Mary Earps expected on Friday, and others likely to follow. This disregard and treatment of skilled and dedicated players is highly alarming and unacceptable.
Our club must do better. We urgently demand that the Glazers and Sir Jim Radcliffe provide equal treatment and facilities for the United Ladies team. It's high time we honor their triumphs and efforts in the same way as the Men's team and give them the respect, acknowledgement, and proper facilities they rightfully deserve. Please sign this petition to support equal treatment for our United Ladies."
https://www.change.org/p/demand-equ...dies-team-by-club-owners?recruiter=512493122&
Signed it
This is a storm in a teacup.
The women’s team is staying at Carrington because they have better training facilities, nutrition, medical and shared spaces. All of which they will have the same access to as the men. Last year the club built a brand new 10m facility to house the women and academy teams. A long term investment, they are now redoing the main Carrington building. The men’s team has to prepare and change somewhere, and is anyone seriously suggesting that the men’s team shouldn’t be the priority? Forget about the gender, and think about the size, scale and importance of the two teams. The men’s team is the entire foundation for the club, its activities is what subsidises the women’s team. These aren’t discriminatory perspectives, they are realities.
In a years time the club will have a state of the art training facility for the men, women and academy. Which each having their own dedicated building. In the interim everyone has to make adjustments and muck in together. People are getting outraged but what was the actual alternative? I’ll eat my words if someone presents a proposal that actually makes sense. And before anyone says The Cliff. The women’s team wants to stay at Carrington for the better pitches, shared facilities, medical, gym, and nutrition.
The women’s team is staying at Carrington because they have better training facilities, nutrition, medical and shared spaces. All of which they will have the same access to as the men. Last year the club built a brand new 10m facility to house the women and academy teams. A long term investment, they are now redoing the main Carrington building. The men’s team has to prepare and change somewhere, and is anyone seriously suggesting that the men’s team shouldn’t be the priority? Forget about the gender, and think about the size, scale and importance of the two teams. The men’s team is the entire foundation for the club, its activities is what subsidises the women’s team. These aren’t discriminatory perspectives, they are realities.
In a years time the club will have a state of the art training facility for the men, women and academy. Which each having their own dedicated building. In the interim everyone has to make adjustments and muck in together. People are getting outraged but what was the actual alternative? I’ll eat my words if someone presents a proposal that actually makes sense. And before anyone says The Cliff. The women’s team wants to stay at Carrington for the better pitches, shared facilities, medical, gym, and nutrition.
Family members of players are making their feelings known about it.
We had to wait more than 5 years for actual facilities for the womens team. We only got out of the tent in October. Now they've been kicked out after less than a year. None of the new facilities being built are for the women. They're only for the men.
Thats directly after the new owner has already said they're not a priority. Not bothered to come to their cup final. Our Keeper, Captain, Top goalscorer and POTM for the Cup final are all leaving.
Ineos don't invest in womens sport in any of their ventures. Nice's team is amateur and in L2. He doesn't even know the teams name.
This team is now a tick box. Not a football team.
Well laid out.
It's a good job really that we have a women's team for the men to de-home, otherwise it would've apparently been impossible to make any upgrades to Carrington given there's absolutely nowhere else the men could possibly go.
I think this may show how little money Utd have got that they cant even renew contracts for the women. It might get a lot worse in the short term before it get better.
Hate to say it, but the petition somewhat undermines itself by calling our team United Ladies. That's not the name of the team, it's United Women. The professional game has collectively agreed that 'ladies' is not the correct term and that 'women' is.
We really need to fight for equal treatment and facilities, but in doing so we must call the team by their proper name.
Do you have a link to that statement made about ladies not being a good name to call the team? I am not doubting its true at all, just want to read up on it and inform myself as I was not aware of that, Thank you!
Nor was I aware of this and I've been following women's football for over 20 years! Also, not doubting it either.
Anyway, I signed the petition.
It's Business 101 that if you takeover an organisation and one part (the Women's team) is doing relatively well whilst the larger bit (in terms of global revenue - the Men's team) is struggling you don't just abandon the part that's doing well. Your supposed to celebrate that bit and support it!
The fact that a tiny amount of investment in the Women's team would have far more impact, shows how short sighted the club are being here. I suspect we will end up blowing a huge amount of money on "compensation" for getting another board level employee and we seem to be cramming the men's team with more and more trainers, coaches etc at more expense.
Losing proven winners at the club is the ultimate in false economies as their replacements will either be under par or cost more. It's also really dispiriting that countless young female fans are being given the message their team is not a priority, their team's needs are secondary...the men's team needs more money spending on it. When the weekly wages of one player equate to the total running costs of the women's team it's a bit "rich" of INEOS to be claiming a lack of resources. We already had a lost generation of female fans...I fear we are doing the same thing again!
Pretty disgraceful so far