Called it.
India's tour of England
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Called it.
Very good win. We played good cricket and came up trumps in some difficult situations.
England seem to have really regressed over the last few years though.
Also, I hope we don't go friggin nuts and overhype this win to death. This English side is very very beatable right now and it's just 1-0 with 3 tests to go. I can see harsh and co wetting their pants constantly on Epsnstar.
England seem to have really regressed over the last few years though.
Also, I hope we don't go friggin nuts and overhype this win to death. This English side is very very beatable right now and it's just 1-0 with 3 tests to go. I can see harsh and co wetting their pants constantly on Epsnstar.
he's pretty much the last person on earth who would do something like that.That's actually pathetic.
Your commentators and pundits already have.
It can be nauseating. It's one win ffs. Against what seems to be a pretty poor England. A job well done but you'd think we'd just won our second World Cup on the bounce going by the tone of the broadcast from that lot.
tell me about it, was just watching wasim, sanjay and two others whose name I cant recall.Dhoni has been vindicated for standing by ishant who has finally got his act together and is one of the best bowlers in the world now
Kept thinking, one of them must say its just one game but no.
Edit- And wasim has gotten FAT.
Here's hoping that they make a montage of this game with Chak De India behind this. Cracking stuff.
I'd replace Binny with Ashwin in the next match. Will strengthen our batting and bowling.
England on paper should replace Prior, Stokes and Cook. I don't think apart from prior, anyone will be dropped.
I'd replace Binny with Ashwin in the next match. Will strengthen our batting and bowling.
England on paper should replace Prior, Stokes and Cook. I don't think apart from prior, anyone will be dropped.
No Cook is a decent player going through some very poor form. Prior and Stokes should be dropped. Stokes has potential but he has been rushed back from injury on the back of one test in Australia.
I'm surprised Dhoni hasn't been held to account for the away form earlier. 1 win in 15 tests is an appalling record.
Also think Anderson will be banned for the rest of the series. What will be your Eleven for the next match, mate?
Oh he gets criticised by the newspapers and fans a lot. It's only the pundits who don't criticise him cos they're all partly employed by BCCI.
We've done well overall and our batting is yet to fire fully. I'd definitely bring in Ashwin for Binny.
Baffled why Dhoni picked Binny despite not trusting him with the ball.
Baffled why Dhoni picked Binny despite not trusting him with the ball.
I think it's time for "WRONG ONE - COOK OUT" to fly above the Ageas Bowl for the 3rd Test
With Anderson probably banned the next few games, we have a chance to actually win this series comfortably. It will probably still be close though.
Still can't believe we bounced out England at Lord's.
Just come back from work? Expected the loss but surely they've got Sharma mixed up with someone else?
We will the series 3-0 if Anderson gets a 3 match ban.
With him in it, it will either be 1-1 or 2-1 to either side depending on the pitches. Won't be surprised if English go with another flat wicket next game.
Given that the England top order score runs at a snail's pace, England rely on their bowlers to limit scoring. That seemed to be their strength during their strong run ending last summer.
Broad and Anderson are not scaring anyone; Plunkett or Jordan are not reliable, and there's no front-line spinner. So, England are increasingly dependent on relatively inexperienced batsman to offset the poor form for the veterans.
I don't see a quick turnaround.
Broad and Anderson are not scaring anyone; Plunkett or Jordan are not reliable, and there's no front-line spinner. So, England are increasingly dependent on relatively inexperienced batsman to offset the poor form for the veterans.
I don't see a quick turnaround.
Somebody put Alastair out of his misery. His captaincy was always going to depend on him scoring runs. Its not like he has proven himself an innovative captain either. Get him to do what he is frankly great at,scoring runs(only Tendulkar has scored more runs before the age of 30). There is no point in affecting his powers as a run getter with the burden of doing something he is at best ok to goodish at.
Did Ishant bowl better than teh highlights suggest? All his wickets looked like genuinely awful batting.
Both his wickets yesterday came off excellent balls.
Wicket of Ali came off a great ball as well.. wicket of Broad too came off some good consistent bowling. Stokes, Prior and especially Root.. gifted their wickets though. All fell to a trap though so you have commend him for following it through.
I thought it was ridiculous and Bhuvi did not get the MOTM award though. Ishand may have won the game on final day but it would not have even lasted that long if not for Bhuvi's efforts in all 3 innings.
To be fair, not in talent, but in performances, this is the worst England team for a long, long time as shown by the series defeat to Sri Lanka, in all forms of the game too. It was interesting every time England got a glimmer of becoming the favourite they quickly lost that edge, think Ali getting out last ball before lunch, having India putting on 250+ runs across both innings for the last 3 wickets. Likewise the first batting innings as the team looked to be settling nicely at 210-4 with not long left of the second day, they suddenly found themselves at 214-6, by close. Pretty much every session of the game ended in India's favour, despite England finding themselves in numerous strong positions. It's all telling of a team that simply does not know how to win and repeatedly keeps finding ways to self destruct.
I'm not even sure where England can change things to much for the next test. The two worst culprits batting wise have been Cook and Bell, neither of whom will be dropped. Robson I'm not overly convinced about but we can't keep changing openers, the younger players, Ballance, Root, and Ali have at least shown something. It's the bowling that's perhaps most concerning however. There's no real obvious changes there. Stokes batting form is as bad as anyone in the world at the moment whilst he's clearly not trusted to bowl that many overs, so he'll presumably be gone. Plunkett has moments, but they're fleeting and rare . Broad and Anderson are safe but neither look potent wicket threats. Ali's economy (3.7) is fairly high, but India are going to go after any of England's spinners till they earn respect so I think he's OK for this series, though serious thought has to be put into England's spinners for the future, he's a reasonable option for now however, but England either need to trust him with more overs or get someone in they do trust.
England's bowling averages show it all:
Anderson - 9 wkts at an average of 34.11
Stokes - 7 wkts at an average of 33.14
Ali - 7 wkts at an average of 38.28
Broad - 7 wkts at an average of 39.28
Plunkett - 7 wikts at average of 41.28
The only real difference between here and England's other performances over the past few years is previously at least one of England's bowlers has been in form and England have scraped games on the back of that. The problem is there's no one obvious to come in, Jordan wasn't a big wicket threat against Sri Lanka but is presumably most likely the only change to our bowling for next match, coming in for Stokes who will surely drop out. Woakes is of course the other likely option, having an excellent county season but highly questionable whether those talents will translate. Oh how we could do with Finn getting his head together and fulfilling his potential.
I'm not even sure where England can change things to much for the next test. The two worst culprits batting wise have been Cook and Bell, neither of whom will be dropped. Robson I'm not overly convinced about but we can't keep changing openers, the younger players, Ballance, Root, and Ali have at least shown something. It's the bowling that's perhaps most concerning however. There's no real obvious changes there. Stokes batting form is as bad as anyone in the world at the moment whilst he's clearly not trusted to bowl that many overs, so he'll presumably be gone. Plunkett has moments, but they're fleeting and rare . Broad and Anderson are safe but neither look potent wicket threats. Ali's economy (3.7) is fairly high, but India are going to go after any of England's spinners till they earn respect so I think he's OK for this series, though serious thought has to be put into England's spinners for the future, he's a reasonable option for now however, but England either need to trust him with more overs or get someone in they do trust.
England's bowling averages show it all:
Anderson - 9 wkts at an average of 34.11
Stokes - 7 wkts at an average of 33.14
Ali - 7 wkts at an average of 38.28
Broad - 7 wkts at an average of 39.28
Plunkett - 7 wikts at average of 41.28
The only real difference between here and England's other performances over the past few years is previously at least one of England's bowlers has been in form and England have scraped games on the back of that. The problem is there's no one obvious to come in, Jordan wasn't a big wicket threat against Sri Lanka but is presumably most likely the only change to our bowling for next match, coming in for Stokes who will surely drop out. Woakes is of course the other likely option, having an excellent county season but highly questionable whether those talents will translate. Oh how we could do with Finn getting his head together and fulfilling his potential.
It's our first win away in 3 years. Three years. Nothing wrong in getting excited by it.
Great post. It's tough to see how things can realistically change.
Taking the captaincy from Cook seems the obvious choice, but there don't seem to be any genuine leaders in the side at all. He needs to nail down his batting and he's too good to drop, at 29 he still has years ahead of him and I don't think anyone is pulling up trees to replace him as an opener either. Bell is also in rotten form but likewise he's probably our best batsman so needs to find some form urgently.
Prior had reached the end sadly and Buttler could offer us a bit more. I like Stokes but he's been so poor that he'll surely be replaced, though I'm not really convinced with Plunkett either. Ali offers enough to keep his place but long term we definitely need a proper spinner. Haven't seen enough of Kerrigan since his nightmare to know if it's him or not.
There are rays of optimism in the form of Root and Ballance, who are two of very few (Moeen too) that can come away pleased with their contributions from that test.
It's incredible though how much this team has declined. It's gone from the best to the worst side I can remember in a couple of years. I used to look at the side and know that at least one of Cook, Trott, Bell, or Pieterson would get a century, backed up by three of the top bowlers in the world in Anderson, Broad and Swann. Half of those have left now and the other half are dead on the ground. We're relying on players who've played only a handful of tests to get us out of trouble, which is ludicrous.
It's significantly worse than that IMO. That was a poor performance throughout the series but it was against an excellent Australia side. At this moment in time England are losing comfortably to ordinary sides who themselves are in poor form. It's dreadful and it's probably the worst side since the 90s.
And congrats on the win, it's been a long time coming. Great support in the ground too. You'd think it being at Lords would mean it's something quite special but in reality it isn't. This is such a poor England side that you have to expect a comfortable series win. I was at Lords for day 4 and 5 and it was painful to watch.
Jordan offers real threat as an attack bowler, he should be given a chance.
Rohit Sharma. 
Great victory, watched quite a bit of the match. Very impressed with Rahane and Bhuvi. Standout performers.
Gautam Gambhir. It would have been great to see him cement his spot in the team about two years back. Such a good player to watch when on form.
Fair play to Prior, he's done what Cook seemingly doesn't have the backbone to do.
I think i know what the ghost that haunted the English cricket team was judging by their performance.
If I were Cook I would give up the captaincy and concentrate on recovering my form with the bat if there was a remotely credible alternative. There isn't - so he's right to tough it out.
Flintoff, peak was far too brief. Trescothick had another few years in him as well.
Except he doesn't
Well let's see shall we? Stokes has to be put out of his misery and Woakes is just a county trundler.
Agreed, but I don't think Jordan's the answer. Looks very, very innocuous with a red ball. Although it will never happen its hard to see why Onions isn't getting another chance.
Only in England would this situation be allowed to continue.
Just because there's seemingly "no credible alternative" it's no reason to keep on a captain who can't captain or bat to save himself. If he dropped dead today would there be no one capable of taking over? Would we just give up playing Test cricket?