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I don't know I haven't seen it but an octogenarian playing a swashbuckling hero just doesn't track with me.
Film Indiana Jones 5
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I don't know I haven't seen it but an octogenarian playing a swashbuckling hero just doesn't track with me.
Yeah I didn’t mind it, the FX are a bit wonky in places but it zips along and I actually thought Phoebe Waller Bridge was great in it… weirdly the only bit I didn’t like much was the ‘early’ Indy stuff…
the de-aging isn’t too bad when he’s not moving a lot, but his voice, ooooof. Just a very clearly 80 year old man’s creaky voice speaking through the young Indiana mask was really weird and off putting. It worked better in the second flashback when he’s supposed to be 50 odd thorough.
The absolutely bonkers ending was quite amusing. Though I can see it annoying the same kind of people who were annoyed about ‘aliens’ in the last one.
Also killing Mutt off screen was harshbut it played into the whole quite well.
It’s not essential and the none of the sequences really felt close to ‘classic’ Spielberg, but it was a perfectly fine Indiana Jones film.
I thought the de-aging looked incredible, I couldn't believe how good it look and I didn't spot the creaky 80-year-old beneath. We've come a long way since The Irishman! I suspect they probably used a younger actor's body and tweaked his voice with AI. I knew this was how the film started, but couldn't believe it was so long and so well done. Honestly, I watched it on IMAX and was completely sold. I'd like to watch it again without looking for the seams.
I agree, the ending was bonkers, but I don't think time travel is any less ridiculous than seeing God, voodoo possession, a 400-year-old knight guardian the fountain of youth or any number of things that have happened in the past. I thought it was well-earned and really hit me when he was ready to give up and just die in history.
Killing Mutt off-screen brought a smile to my face. It rights a wrong from Crystal Skull and erases the toxic spector of Shia LaBeouf. It also gave us this broken, lonely Indy and his reunion with Karen Allen at the end was genuinely touching and felt like such a better close than the cheesy wedding scene from KOTCS.
Look, it's nowhere near Raiders or Last Crusade, but it's a million miles better than Crystal Skull. I think I'll be sticking this one on the TV on Sunday afternoons for years to come.
I agree, the ending was bonkers, but I don't think time travel is any less ridiculous than seeing God, voodoo possession, a 400-year-old knight guardian the fountain of youth or any number of things that have happened in the past. I thought it was well-earned and really hit me when he was ready to give up and just die in history.
Killing Mutt off-screen brought a smile to my face. It rights a wrong from Crystal Skull and erases the toxic spector of Shia LaBeouf. It also gave us this broken, lonely Indy and his reunion with Karen Allen at the end was genuinely touching and felt like such a better close than the cheesy wedding scene from KOTCS.
Look, it's nowhere near Raiders or Last Crusade, but it's a million miles better than Crystal Skull. I think I'll be sticking this one on the TV on Sunday afternoons for years to come.
It was a lot better than I expected. Though I went in with zero expectation. The de-aging was as good as I’ve seen though it struggled through some of the action scenes. A much better way to end than the last abomination.
It’s worth a cinema visit. I loved it. If you liked the first 2 it’s comparable. I’d advocate for a large screen viewing as it’s actually cinematic.
Lip service to nostalgia and a knowing acknowledgment of how empty nostalgia is.
Phoebe W-B is great in it. There’s another great kid in it and the wonderfulness of progress has instilled the character with agency and depth and he doesn’t go round barking ‘Indy, Indy’ like a cartoon throughout.
It does jeopardy as well as a movie where the hero always wins, can.
It’s a £10 leave the house film, without doubt. Whole cinema laughed lots and left buzzing.
Co-sign all of this.
The de-ageing was flawless and I honestly wondered for the first 5 mins if they were using old scenes to frame the movie.
Using Mutt as a valid plot device really fleshed out this old man having to face his mortality. Him confronting his goddaughter and her pointing out his absence was also great.
The emotional connectivity with his ex wife was expertly handled too.
It was a really enjoyable film. Up there with the originals and will age better for obvious reasons.
Thanks bud.
Enjoy it man. As a cinephile you’ll enjoy how incredible the cgi/de-aging is as well.
It would have benefited from more visual effects in the action scenes. There’s a street chase that gets very silly and feel unnecessary but otherwise it’s all pretty solid.
I read something yesterday that said it was all Harrison Ford, and that his weight, etc was identical to what it was in the earlier movies (which I can't see being true). I'm going to see it with my son on Sunday evening, can't wait. Nostagia overload.
So this is good?
Yes, but warning to sexists, a woman does play a major role. Could be triggering.
Enjoy!
The truth behind these things is usually somewhere between what they say in the press and the crunch at ILM. Easily the best it's been done so far.
At least they'll get to use their quotas of "Mary Sue" for the month, that'll make them happy
Nowhere near as bad as the doom made it out to be. Expected a 2/10, it is about a 5/10 maybe a 6 being generous, reasonable watch.
About 30 mins too long, as seems to be the trend these days.
About 30 mins too long, as seems to be the trend these days.
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Far too long and the villians teleport to scenes when they are needed.
Far too long and the villians teleport to scenes when they are needed.
Think I'm starting to get the banter argument from people in 2000s saying, it's time to pass the baton to Lara Croft.
I enjoyed it, proper Indiana Jones film.
The CGI start was excellent and I couldn’t tell the difference, the only CGI/FX that let it down was the Benny Hill sped up Tuk Tuk car chase where a tiny Tuk Tuk ended up catching, out pacing and out manoeuvring a big feck off Mercedes.
The CGI start was excellent and I couldn’t tell the difference, the only CGI/FX that let it down was the Benny Hill sped up Tuk Tuk car chase where a tiny Tuk Tuk ended up catching, out pacing and out manoeuvring a big feck off Mercedes.
Same sentiment. I really enjoyed the movie because all of those.
“Hello Mr. Jones, we are going to put your balls here in this vault, just like we did with Mr. Bond. Don’t worry, you won’t be needing them.” I hated that they took a transgressive id-personified character [Bond] and turned him into a house cat. Bond was a ruthless killer who spent his money on fancy threads and fast cars and was a total heel to women. He was supposed to be shocking. He’s a very decent bloke in the last one.
I don’t understand the obsession with Phoebe Waller Bridge at all. I would have preferred LaBoeuf take over, but even better would be a new adventurer untethered to Indy.
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1 is slow but a classic. 3 is the most coherent. Skip 2 and 4.
If you loved the recipe of the search for a supernatural artefact with the Nazis as antagonists from 1 and 3 (like I do), this is for you.
I wish they’d go the other direction and make an Indy EU story but have it happen before the first film. No Nazis, no imitating Ford, they could go any direction they wanted to, even do a steampunk version.
My son said it was fun and much better than The Crystal Skull but not up to the original original 3. He said Harrison Ford as Indy was looking very old which was a bit sad.
"Wah wah wah. Indy didn't fingerbang every single women in the room. I can't accept that as folk get older their priorities change and they want to become more than fake hard men, because they've matured above the level of a teenage boy, unlike me."
That's basically all I hear from these weak fecking moaners complaining about how "X" went woke because the women in the movies aren't shitting themselves all the time and needing Jimmy Big Balls to come and save them for the umpteenth fecking time. God forbid the men in these movies actually grow the feck up and develop further than "look how tough I am, grrr."
It's just sad at this point FFS.
Not saying you're a part of it but I just wanted to rant as usual.
Bond was a one dimensional oaf that looked like a sexy lothario to men and a cartoon to women.
I really wish people (men) would accept, understand and recognise, that the male icons they’re clinging onto, were widely giggled at and ridiculed by women. Best case scenario. Beyond that, they just looked and went ‘yuk’.
Bond didn’t change because of some snowflake agenda. He changed as he was a two dimensional character that women hated and men couldn’t identify with.
Phoebe Waller Bridge wrote a tv show that was the leap forward that Sex In The City thought it was. She was great in the movie and I hope she gets a spin off.
If you don’t like Bond, why do you see those movies? If you don’t see Bond movies, what do you care what he’s like?
So they should make him a dinosaur, a retrograde character. Let him be Bond while also showing the modern distaste for those very things that made him popular, if that’s what they decided was needed. Why not have him also go vegan and drive an electric bike everywhere? I think you’re missing the point of Bond. Bond is a cold blooded killer, he is heartless and he is cruel. He has been turned into a marketing platform with quasi wealth porn, but he’s supposed to be a dangerous bastard, not a lovable dad.
What made you think 26 Bond films equals men not relating to him? The franchise is the longest running in history.
Your fandom of PWB is beside the point. I don’t care about SATC or what PWB wanted to do with Fleabag. It’s not coincidental that she was brought in to punch up the Bond script.
Anyway this isn’t the hill I want to die on. I don’t like PWB, I hated the last Indy film, and also disliked the last Bond film.
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I am part of it. I hated the most recent Bond because it was boring. It was boring because Bond was unrecognizable, and I say this as someone who also read the novels. There are ostensibly 8 other double-oh agents, why not make a movie about 008 and make a completely opposite character? They had an actress playing the new 007, why not just have her take a different number and make a whole new lore for her?
They hired writers and a director who literally didn’t want to do a Bond film. I think some product can remain narrow targeted and doesn’t need to hit all 4 quadrants, which is what I think they were attempting.
Getting back to Indy - he was not a womanizer, at least that I remember. I don’t know why they’d think PWB would be a good person to expand the franchise with, but if they do it and it’s successful, then that’s what the market wanted. I personally don’t want that, and it’s not because PWB is woke or whatever, it’s because I don’t like her.
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Not at if the original film had an strong independent women who could look after themselves (but lets not mention Kate Capshaw in ToD - fun but far too damsel in distress).
I like her but I'm not seen this film yet. My son, who has never seen her in anything before thought she was the best thing about this film.
The older bond movies are very cringeworthy now. Sort of sad as I loved them as a kid but probably a good thing.
I mean, apart from the last 4 Bond films featuring the most callous and dangerous version that’s ever featured in screen… sure.
You can’t possibly believe that Connery and Moore were ‘harder’ versions of the character?
I don’t for Moore. He was a dandy. Connery slapped women and more or less raped “for king and country”. Craig never crossed that rubicon (thankfully). https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/sep/23/james-bond-no-time-to-die-cary-fukunaga-thunderball
I loved Casino Royale and getting back to basics. The second Craig one was a hot mess. Skyfall was okay, liked Spectre more, and was hugely disappointed with the last one. The older films are totally dated now, but I did love Live And Let Die. Casino Royale was the best of all of them, in my opinion. They are escapist fare that aren’t very escapist anymore.
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I wonder if that qualifies as a rave or a diss. I think I’m going to end up seeing this against my will because my dad wants to see it, so I will find out.
He thought that the film was decent but not a patch on the first three and that FWB was good but also too much a prop for a badly aging Harrison Ford/Indy. He thinks she was underwritten and could have done far more of the heavy lifting if allowed.
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Is this the same son who was a college athlete? Somehow I was picturing like a 10 year old.
He graduated and is now a professional athlete - 24 years old. Briefly back home before heading off to Athens (via LA, OC and SB) for the next season starting in Aug/Sept.
5 or 6/10. Fun for kids but as an adult the novelty wears off pretty quickly.
Okay I’m in.
Don't know about others but I would say the ranking from top to bottom is probably:
Last Crusade
Raiders of The Lost Ark
Dial of Destiny
Temple of Doom
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
I think the middle is a good fit for the last film, I enjoyed it.
It doesn't deviate from the formula of the previous films which have made it such a successful franchise.
Just a good couple of hours in the cinema.
Last Crusade
Raiders of The Lost Ark
Dial of Destiny
Temple of Doom
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
I think the middle is a good fit for the last film, I enjoyed it.
It doesn't deviate from the formula of the previous films which have made it such a successful franchise.
Just a good couple of hours in the cinema.
I agree with that I think. Doesn't have the peril and adventure of Raiders nor the humour of Last Crusade. I went to see it again and it was only better. It doesn't shy away from the character's age, it embraces it and in a couple of places, it brought me to tears on both viewings. Characters grow old and change, they're not trapped in time like action figures gathering dust on a shelf. While I understand how some people think the climax is bonkers, it's really not much more of a stretch than the endings of Raiders or Last Crusade. I think it's a beautiful way to end the series and just so nice it didn't end with a whimper. I'm so happy this film exists, well done James Mangold and Harrison Ford.
I'm surprised so many people thought the de-ageing stuff was good, it looked really bad whenever he was moving in the opening scenes.