India vs England

Utd heap said:
Someone's upset :lol:
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:lol:

I am. I have no problems in losing to a better team. I would usually stand up and applaud but any loss to this lot is painful.

Also, my dislike for the English teams stems from long back when they used to come here and make all sort of excuses for losing. I hated it. I would rather lose to Pakistan than England.

Now I guess I would just have to enjoy English administrators and commentators bitch and moan about the Indian board getting too powerful as they should have been the ones raking the money on an "IPL" like bonanza. I would be conflicted but still enjoy it.
 
Utd heap said:
I said i fancied us to win, but then changed my mind and said India would nick it by one test as we were so out of nick with the bat.

If i'd known Cook was going to bat like a machine, i'd have been very confident, as our bowling was always likely to out-perform yours IMO.

Edit: In saying all that, it's still 1-1 and this test is not won yet.
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You were an exception.

We might still draw or win the series 2-1. Though not dominating them at home still hurts my pride, and I hope it does the teams too.
 
Dhoni again did little to try to force errors from the batsmen. Compton began his innings defiantly but strokelessly, offering nothing to the bowlers and even less to the spectator. When he had scored 10 off 47 balls, he was facing Zaheer – with a deep backward point. Had Dhoni seen something in the Somerset Sedative’s demeanour that suggested he was about to unleash an upper-cut for six, or try to reserve sweep India’s lead pacer over the fence?

Maybe he had. In which case, the strategy worked. Compton did not attempt to upper-cut or reverse sweep Zaheer for six. So, in hindsight, it was clearly tactically sound. Although it did not immediately appear so at the time.


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England aren't taking full advantage. They are giving chance to indian team. I think Indian team can still save it although I expect a loss.
 
I've already put a bet down for an England Series win.

India will not win or draw the final test. The gap between India and England is too big to make up in one test match. A massive difference in quality and application in all areas of the game.
 
TheReligion said:
It will be embarassing to lose to this lot.

Come on England!
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Thats certainly the way I am looking at it. Win-win both ways. England won't get a better chance(actually they might given the way India test team is going for past few years) to win here. Anyways sports are weird, if indian team somehow save this test match then I'll put my money on indian team winning this series. On the other hand, a loss and I will fully expect a 3-1 loss.
 
Lots of bitter Indian supporters in this thread. I thought we'd lose the series because of our batting which is woeful a lot of the time but Cook has gone into machine mode again. I also think Prior gets underrated, he's the best wicket keeper-batsman in the world IMO and was one of our few (only?) batsman in the SA series to come out with his reputation enhanced. I'll be very happy and surprised if we manage to win the series overall.
 
shaggy said:
Lots of bitter Indian supporters in this thread. I thought we'd lose the series because of our batting which is woeful a lot of the time but Cook has gone into machine mode again. I also think Prior gets underrated, he's the best wicket keeper-batsman in the world IMO and was one of our few (only?) batsman in the SA series to come out with his reputation enhanced. I'll be very happy and surprised if we manage to win the series overall.
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I don't watch that much cricket nowadays tbh but if prior really is the best keeper right now then its quite a worrying sign(in terms of quality of keepers).
Anyways, hopefully I am not one of those bitter fans :)
 
TheBest said:
I don't watch that much cricket nowadays tbh but if prior really is the best keeper right now then its quite a worrying sign(in terms of quality of keepers).
Anyways, hopefully I am not one of those bitter fans :)
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Prior is excellent. Out of the top teams I think you could only make a case for De Villiers being better, but he isn't really a wicket keeper-batsman.
 
Prior is the best wicketkeeper/batsman since Gilchrist.
 
zing said:
Prior is the best wicketkeeper/batsman since Gilchrist.
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Agreed, very under-rated by the public in England, not sure how he is viewed overseas?

You can tell by the way the team talk about him that he is extremely appreciated from within the England setup.
 
In India, people are pretty clueless about test cricket.. especially test cricket not featuring India, so you won't find many rating him.

If Prior kept this standard up for a couple more years, he'd easily go down as an all-time great. The sheer number of times he has changed the game from #7 is staggering. When the match looks like England are just 'in control', he destroys the opposition and makes an England victory 100% certain. He plays match saving innings, as well. And he's done it on all pitches and against all opposition.
 
Prior is the kind of player whose talent merits batting higher up the order, but who probably wouldn't be as effective if he did so.

Having said that, he does run out of partners a lot of the time and you'd have to think his average would be better if he didn't always bat with the tail.
 
Forevergiggs, seeing as you were having a go at Trott at the start of this thread, do you wish to criticise Alistair Cook's dismissal and Bairtstow's in the last test seeing as neither of them where in the spirit of the game?

Or do you only do that when it's a chance to have a go at England?
 
zing said:
In India, people are pretty clueless about test cricket.. especially test cricket not featuring India, so you won't find many rating him.

If Prior kept this standard up for a couple more years, he'd easily go down as an all-time great. The sheer number of times he has changed the game from #7 is staggering. When the match looks like England are just 'in control', he destroys the opposition and makes an England victory 100% certain. He plays match saving innings, as well. And he's done it on all pitches and against all opposition.
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I can't see Prior ever being highly rated because he never cracked playing in the ODI and T20 formats. If he had there would be no issues to how he is rated in my view.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
I can't see Prior ever being highly rated because he never cracked playing in the ODI and T20 formats. If he had there would be no issues to how he is rated in my view.
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What relevance does that have on his test career?
I couldn't give a feck if Alistair Cook averaged 7 in one day Cricket, he's still the best player we've produced in around twenty years.

It's irrelevant, but it's bizarre that we don't pick him in the ODI and T20 side, as his game should easily translate across. (Regarding Prior.)
 
NinjaFletch said:
Forevergiggs, seeing as you were having a go at Trott at the start of this thread, do you wish to criticise Alistair Cook's dismissal and Bairtstow's in the last test seeing as neither of them where in the spirit of the game?

Or do you only do that when it's a chance to have a go at England?
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There's nothing wrong with Cook's dismissal. It's his fecking fault, nothing to do with the spirit of cricket.

Bairstow's dismissal probably should've been rescinded.
 
KM said:
There's nothing wrong with Cook's dismissal. It's his fecking fault, nothing to do with the spirit of cricket.

Bairstow's dismissal probably should've been rescinded.
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Yeah, not got a problem with the Cook dismissal either, neither did Cook himself which tells you all you need to know.
 
KM said:
There's nothing wrong with Cook's dismissal. It's his fecking fault, nothing to do with the spirit of cricket.

Bairstow's dismissal probably should've been rescinded.
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I thought it was just very, very cheap.

It was out, obviously, and Dhoni didn't have to withdraw the appeal. But seeing as Forevergiggs was going on about how England think themselves to be the moral saviours of cricket as if India are superior on that, you think he would be criticising Dhoni.
 
zing said:
In India, people are pretty clueless about test cricket.. especially test cricket not featuring India, so you won't find many rating him.

If Prior kept this standard up for a couple more years, he'd easily go down as an all-time great. The sheer number of times he has changed the game from #7 is staggering. When the match looks like England are just 'in control', he destroys the opposition and makes an England victory 100% certain. He plays match saving innings, as well. And he's done it on all pitches and against all opposition.
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If you are referring to me then I'm actually clueless about odi's and t20's. Although to be fair I don't watch much cricket anyway. I like tests though. Anyways I will rate him behind kumar sangakkara and De Villiers. Although you could be right about wicket keeper batsman as then there aren't any decent keepers left.
 
Utd heap said:
What relevance does that have on his test career?
I couldn't give a feck if Alistair Cook averaged 7 in one day Cricket, he's still the best player we've produced in around twenty years.

It's irrelevant, but it's bizarre that we don't pick him in the ODI and T20 side, as his game should easily translate across. (Regarding Prior.)
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Hey I rate Prior really highly and as the best wicket-keeper/batsman since Gilchrist without a shadow of a doubt. When they were having the Fantasy Test cricket draft, I couldn't believe no one picked Prior till he was like 6th or 7th choice.

I was just trying to explain why he may not be rated that highly across the world. And Test cricket isn't as popular in the rest of the world as the ODI format is. I personally think England mismanaged him, he was never an opener in my eyes and probably would have been best place batting at 6 as Kieswetter does for us now.
 
Utd heap said:
What relevance does that have on his test career?
I couldn't give a feck if Alistair Cook averaged 7 in one day Cricket, he's still the best player we've produced in around twenty years.

It's irrelevant, but it's bizarre that we don't pick him in the ODI and T20 side, as his game should easily translate across. (Regarding Prior.)
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It really hasn't though.

64 matches and an average of 24 is rank average, strike rate's not great either.

I'd prefer Davies to get a chance again before Prior does.
 
Many stating on here that Indians having their heads turned by the riches of Twenty20 and suffering the consequences, even in India may not be that far off the mark.

The most interesting thing about England's innings currently in play has been their ability and contentment to score at less than 3 an over for the majority of the innings. To reach a score of 500+ with a relatively low scoring rate takes real concentration, application and determination - the key difference between ODI and T20 vs the highest standard of cricket: the 5 day test match.

I doubt this Indian team would be able to bat for 163 overs and 'only score' 509. If they did last that long in India, they would likely be nearer 650. And thats the key difference in terms of batting approach and quality.

Which makes India's problems even more deep rooted. Some posters above have stated the key difference is between the bowlers. It is, England currently have better seamers and better spinners. And while both batting line ups have similar levels of talented and quality batsmen, this series is showing that England's are far superior at meeting the demands of the Gold standard in cricket. India's likelihood of success in test matches at the highest level looks bleak in the immediate future.

An urgent change in policy and strategy from the BCCI is required if they want to stop this trend turning into a repeated behaviour.
 
Given the form he is in. India did themselves no favours by getting KP out relatively cheaply. Assuming England set a 250+ target for India just to avoid an innings defeat, its unlikely KP will bat again this match and if he does, he wont have much to do.

Which leaves him just one final test match in India to cash in on his form and importantly for him, further enhance his equity in India, which id personally beneficial to him given his x-factor status in the IPL.

I'm convinced he will post another memorable score in this series. Far more than I am of any Indian batsman posting a similar score. A big 150+ runs KP innings in the 4th test makes things v difficult for India.
 
zing said:
Prior is the best wicketkeeper/batsman since Gilchrist.
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Nowhere near the level if Gilchrist and never will be, but Prior is best in the world in his role right now. Really enjoy when he comes out to bat.

Which is a damnation towards MS Dhoni.

I get that he will never be the best wicket keeper of his generation, but that was supposed to be compensated by his batting prowess. By now, I would have expected he own no 5 in the batting line up instead of meekly coming in at no 7 to fiddle around with the tail.

The development of his batting in test cricket has been underwhelming to say the least.
 
I would say Sangka and AB are more batsmen who keep than keepers who can bat. So in that regard yes Prior is the best.

Also Prior has improved his keeping leaps and bounds over the last few years.
 
TheBest said:
If you are referring to me then I'm actually clueless about odi's and t20's. Although to be fair I don't watch much cricket anyway. I like tests though. Anyways I will rate him behind kumar sangakkara and De Villiers. Although you could be right about wicket keeper batsman as then there aren't any decent keepers left.
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I wasn't referring to you. I didn't mean it as a slight on anyone. Just the way things are in India.

Sanga doesn't keep anymore, btw. Not kept for at least a couple of years.
 
zing said:
I wasn't referring to you. I didn't mean it as a slight on anyone. Just the way things are in India.

Sanga doesn't keep anymore, btw. Not kept for at least a couple of years.
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True that
 
On Prior, I think the reason he struggles in ODIs and T20s is that he scores a lot of his runs in 4s, not many sixes or 1s and 2s. ODIs are pretty much about cutting off boundaries and I think he finds it hard when his supply of boundaries gets cut off like that.

Would say though that he is comfortably the best all round wk/batsman in the world - most of the others are like ABdV (what an incredible cricketer btw) and Sanga, or Jayawardene for SL who is a keeper who can hold a bat.
 
samabachan said:
On Prior, I think the reason he struggles in ODIs and T20s is that he scores a lot of his runs in 4s, not many sixes or 1s and 2s. ODIs are pretty much about cutting off boundaries and I think he finds it hard when his supply of boundaries gets cut off like that.

Would say though that he is comfortably the best all round wk/batsman in the world - most of the others are like ABdV (what an incredible cricketer btw) and Sanga, or Jayawardene for SL who is a keeper who can hold a bat.
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:lol:
 
samabachan said:
On Prior, I think the reason he struggles in ODIs and T20s is that he scores a lot of his runs in 4s, not many sixes or 1s and 2s. ODIs are pretty much about cutting off boundaries and I think he finds it hard when his supply of boundaries gets cut off like that.

Would say though that he is comfortably the best all round wk/batsman in the world - most of the others are like ABdV (what an incredible cricketer btw) and Sanga, or Jayawardene for SL who is a keeper who can hold a bat.
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Give him another chance I say. He's clearly upped a level or two since then.
 
Seems to be a case of 'get Sehwag out, win match.'

He's not at his destructive best, but the quality behind him is very ordinary. If he goes big, we avoid a defeat.
 
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