India playing well makes the demolition job England did on them on their own patch even more superb.
India v Australia 2013
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Don't get the moaning about the pitch at all. We are well within our rights as the home team to prepare a pitch that gives us the best chance of winning. What the feck is the point in playing at home and playing on tracks that don't suit us??
Anyone got any highlights of the day?
Anyone got any highlights of the day?
Bang on. That's why India are clear favorites here. Australia don't have a quality spinner like Swann.
The quality of test cricket isn't that great ATM, IMO.
SA are clear no. 1 team in the world.
After that there's Pakistan and England who're equal. Then comes Australia and probably Sri Lanka. We're higher than WI, NZ etc but lower than Australia.
I've not seen any of this match, but if Phil Hughes is the best they can find for the middle-order then God help them.
spinners take all 20 wickets in the first test. Only in India!Unlucky for the Moise, sounds like a pretty down to earth bloke after last night saying he didn't care he just wanted Aus to bat as long as possible.
edit: Have to say that Pujara looks like that good old fashioned test cricketer that every side needs at 3. What a find - very talented cricketer.
Sachin coming in and hitting his first two balls for six was special.
Sachin seems to be in great touch at present. Looks as though he enjoyed the match.
I'm sorry but England are better than Pakistan, I know their performance against them wasn't great, but I feel they have learnt a lot from that and that showed in India, while Pakistan really were poor against SA.
This is true, can understand India playing this pitch but they also tried the same against England and underestimated their spinners, Austrailia should at least play two spinners with Henriques as the all rounder.
Pakistan absolutely thrashed England 3-0 in favorable conditions. If there's an India-Pakistan series in India, then Pakistan would win it easily considering their excellent spin attack.
SA also demolished England in England just six months back, so not sure why Pakistan being poor against SA makes them inferior to England.
SA also demolished England in England just six months back, so not sure why Pakistan being poor against SA makes them inferior to England.
We are talking current sides right not 6 months ago. I wouldn't call it absolutely thrashed, the matches were close however England did lose. Pakistan are poor away, proved by SA series while England have proved they have improved after that series with a good win in India and hopefully winning in NZ. Playing well in favourable conditions and playing poor away doesn't make you the no 2 test team in the world. Pakistan's away record is abysmal.
It's a strange one with Pakistan. I would back them to beat anyone in their own conditions including South Africa. But in non-sub continent conditions I would always back the home team. Maybe I am underrating them a tad.
Might give them the nod at 2nd place purely because I think they may be the only team capable of beating South Africa (albeit just at home) at this present moment.
Might give them the nod at 2nd place purely because I think they may be the only team capable of beating South Africa (albeit just at home) at this present moment.
Matches weren't close at all.
You lost one match by an innings and other by 50 runs. You lost 2-0 in a 3 match series. That's a trashing.
Good point. Especially the bolded part.
One was a low run chase, admittingly we collapsed and were generally poor against spin in particular Ajmal. The team selection was also wrong for the first test. We seem to have learnt from that for the India series. I think England are the no 2 side at the moment, Pakistan for me need to be more consistant away from home for them to take that spot. I think if they played India in India, it would be a close series.
Eh I'm talking about the SA in England series mate!
Oh and trust me if Pakistan came to India, then they'd defeat us by a good margin.
Sorry thought you were talking about Pakistan v Eng series. I was disappointed by our performance against SA. Feel they are a beatable side unlike the previous great Aussie team. Hope we can have a consistent run before we play them next.
I disagree, they may win but can see it being a close series, are you guys playing them anytime soon? India lack any sort of a seam attack and if they can get improved, they can really start improving.
I don't mind preparing a pitch to suit the home side, but some of the pitches England played on weren't even 'prepared'. It's starting to get farcical.
England are a top test side, but some on here are so pig headed in their hatred towards English cricket that they can't admit it.
A world class SA beat an England in disarray, and yet England still came mighty close to drawing the series if I remember well.
Ok. Carry on with your delusion.
Mighty close
I'm saying they are a top3 side, or equal with Pakistan. That's not pig headedness.
Ok. Carry on with your delusion.
Mighty close
I'm saying they are a top3 side, or equal with Pakistan. That's not pig headedness.
What was it; 60 runs over 5 days with England throwing the bat at it? In most conditions England would muller Pakistan btw.
You only got close because Swann went berserk at the end. The gulf b/w the two teams was clear in the series.
On second question, in sub continental conditions Pakistan will muller you. In England, Australia, SA I guess you will defeat them easily.
England only had a limited amount of time left and had to throw the bat at it. Had they had a session or so longer then things could well have been different. Having said that England were well outplayed for the first 2 matches. But they were in a right state last summer and are undoubtedly in a much better place right now. Sorry Straussy.
Pakistan are nowhere as good as England.
KM doing some serious over-rating here.
KM doing some serious over-rating here.
Depends all on the conditions. If the conditions are favourable then Pak will defeat England.
Pakistan in sub-continental conditions would more than be a match for England.
Pakistan playing in England would get raped, but the bowlers would still do a good job.
Pakistan playing in England would get raped, but the bowlers would still do a good job.
Each would beat the other at home, but England is the better away team for me and also far more consistent.
England are getting better in sub-continental conditions now. Much improved from 12 months ago. They're constantly improving.
Pakistan, like ha_rooney says, would get hammered in England.
Pakistan would get hammered away anywhere -- SA, England, Australia. Just look at their last series in those countries. Plus, Pakistan's bowling is not as good as it used to be. Worse than when they last played in Australia and England. Their pace attack is the weakest I've seen them put out in quite a long time.
England have drawn 1-1 in Sri Lanka and won in India. Respectable record.
It's 1) SA 2) England and quite a big gap after that. I'd say India, Pakistan and Australia are all about even.
Australia may have found themselves a new spinner in that Fawad Ahmed, but their batting is still shitty.
Cowan's good only for a sub-40 average, IMO. Hughes again is ordinary.
Clarke is the only great player they have. Watson can be good and Khawaja looks like a potential star. But they need to fill up 4 more slots. Wade is playing just because Inverarity is obsessed with youth. Haddin's clearly better.
Agree with this, Pakistan haven't really been troubling the top of the test rankings for a while. They remind me of SL when they had Mularitheran and now they have Ajmal, one decent bowler and a steady team however not going to be the no 1 test team in the world. Australia have a good recent record but they are being found out now. Difficult to match the players they had.
Pakistan are an average side with some good bowling options, glorified West Indies basically.
Exactly, I don't mind a bit of a toilet. Something that will provide good all-round test cricket but when the home side bowls 130 overs of spin in an entire test and takes all 20 wickets....
It's a bit farcical. Though I promise I won't moan to much. To many of our gumby batsman grew up on roads clubbing outside the off stump. Need to learn to be like Dohni and just clog across the line all day..
Exactly, I don't mind a bit of a toilet. Something that will provide good all-round test cricket but when the home side bowls 130 overs of spin in an entire test and takes all 20 wickets....
It's a bit farcical. Though I promise I won't moan to much. To many of our gumby batsman grew up on roads clubbing outside the off stump. Need to learn to be like Dohni and just clog across the line all day..
oh feck off. 800 runs were scored in the first 2 innings and the match went 5 days. Would have been longer too if your batting didn't collapse. You prepare bouncy fast pitches. We prepare slow, spinning wickets. Its called home advantage. Deal with it.
No, it's not. The situation has been the same for the past 40 years, incase you didn't notice.
Cricketers are meant to be skilled enough to capitalise on or overcome situations and conditions. You're the pig-headed one here.
Australia needs some inspiration in their bowling department (may be a surd, whose parents migrated there in the 60's. ). Bowling Pattinson in three overs bursts is not going to get them anywhere in this series. Besides the Mohali wicket, the others won't have any pace in them, and will be slow and low.
May be bring Warney back from International retirement.
). Bowling Pattinson in three overs bursts is not going to get them anywhere in this series. Besides the Mohali wicket, the others won't have any pace in them, and will be slow and low. May be bring Warney back from International retirement.
They will have their own Pakistani spinner soon enough but for this series, expect Lyon's dobblers.
Calm down princess.
Anyway a huge slap in the face to Lyon after backing him during and after the first test. Dropped for Doherty and Maxwell. Two of probably the shitter spin options we have in Australia at the moment. I hope one day these selectors get it right. They've had an absolute shocker for too long now.
Aus to be bowled out by the end of the day.
Australia needs some inspiration in their bowling department (may be a surd, whose parents migrated there in the 60's.
Wade also needs to feck off as well. He dropped/missed 5 chances in the first innings and 2 in the second. Including Dohni twice prior to 200 and Kohli and Tendulkar prior to 50. His glove work has never been his strength but I never knew just how shit it was.
look at those cracks... It's like playing on Bexley Oval first day of the season.Bowled off a good length coming through at shin height. Just another first session India.
Calm down princess.
why should I? Both the stats and the players said the pitch played better than you thought. Yet your still whining. Maybe you should just shut up instead.
Bowled off a good length coming through at shin height. Just another first session India.
Ignore the players saying it was a better pitch than the last one ehh.. Why don't we set the pitches up just like they are in Australia? Oh wait. Its called home advantage and you do the same.