India tour to Australia

Another chance goes down.

crappycraperson said:
Get Dravid in as coach. He may not want to after the treatment Kumble got but I think he has a more hands off approach that might work better.
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Dravid indeed seems like the perfect man for the job. Tbh anyone would be better than the bumbling drunk feck.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Dravid indeed seems like the perfect man for the job. Tbh anyone would be better than the bumbling drunk feck.
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This!!

So if Kirsten is applying for the women's team, surely we can tempt him back to take over the men's team.. Didn't he say he was leaving as he wanted to stay in SA more..
 
BCCI is in a mess right now. Not the best time to have them appoint a new coach.
 
Too many posters on here are overrating the impact of coach on Cricket teams , role of captain is far more important than the coach and he should not be overruled by coach when it comes to team selection.

It would be interesting to see how many coaches in International cricket actually are the part of selection process or have voting rights.
 
How did we lose 5 wickets for 30 odd runs? Can no-one in our lower order have stuck-in a bit more? What is the point of having a 4 pronged fast attack if we can't even take wickets?
 
gajender said:
Too many posters on here are overrating the impact of coach on Cricket teams , role of captain is far more important than the coach and he should not be overruled by coach when it comes to team selection.

It would be interesting to see how many coaches in International cricket actually are the part of selection process or have voting rights.
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You need someone for advise and as a sounding board. Shastri is just a yes man with no incisive input.
 
MDFC Manager said:
True, but the board need to grow a pair and get someone in who is more assertive and persuasive. Doesn't have to be a complete authoritarian like Greg Chappel, but someone more balanced is required. I don't think Kohli would even mind that change too much once it's done. We're wasting chance after chance to get this team in the history books.
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Past tense - we've wasted.

Pretty much every away tour is done.

Never thought the best spells of fasting bowling by an Indian I would see would come from Bumrah. Incredible.
 
zing said:
Past tense - we've wasted.

Pretty much every away tour is done.

Never thought the best spells of fasting bowling by an Indian I would see would come from Bumrah. Incredible.
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Why not? I've seen him pretty regularly - IPL, ODIs as well as Tests and he's one of the most constricting bowlers we have. His line and length is impeccable. I think in the first test, in the 2nd or 3rd session - he went 10 overs giving 7 runs. That's crazy.
 
GailSpaceWynand said:
Why not? I've seen him pretty regularly - IPL, ODIs as well as Tests and he's one of the most constricting bowlers we have. His line and length is impeccable. I think in the first test, in the 2nd or 3rd session - he went 10 overs giving 7 runs. That's crazy.
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I am talking over a longer time period. He seemed a limited overs specialist.
 
Agreed. But the reason he works in T20s (restricting runs with yorkers/variations at the death) is also the reason he is doing well here. Fundamentals don't change.
 
GailSpaceWynand said:
Agreed. But the reason he works in T20s (restricting runs with yorkers/variations at the death) is also the reason he is doing well here. Fundamentals don't change.
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Can't agree with that. In T20s he bowls (more recently in the last 2 years) slower balls and a lot of yorkers. He also switches up length a lot.

In tests, his ability is to hit good length and get enormous bounce off it, at consistently high pace. Rarely bowls yorkers.

The one commonality is to put the ball where he wants - he does not bowl loose balls in either format and has a clear plan.

There'd be lots of other T20 specialists who translate well to test cricket if it their bowling was built on fundamentals, but there are plenty who have made a living off a specific skill set for T20, and very few have bloomed in test cricket AFTER making a name in T20. In fact, I can think of only Doug Bollinger who went the other way - and he was successful for a very brief period in test cricket.
 
I don't like Umesh Yadav. Even when he did well at home for us, I've been very skeptical of him because he never seems to have a plan and sprays the ball like a random ball generator.

His selection is part of the reason we're going to lose this match, if we lose this.

We should've picked Jadeja for this. Or even Kuldeep given the number of left-handers.
 
zing said:
Can't agree with that. In T20s he bowls (more recently in the last 2 years) slower balls and a lot of yorkers. He also switches up length a lot.

In tests, his ability is to hit good length and get enormous bounce off it, at consistently high pace. Rarely bowls yorkers.

The one commonality is to put the ball where he wants - he does not bowl loose balls in either format and has a clear plan.

There'd be lots of other T20 specialists who translate well to test cricket if it their bowling was built on fundamentals, but there are plenty who have made a living off a specific skill set for T20, and very few have bloomed in test cricket AFTER making a name in T20. In fact, I can think of only Doug Bollinger who went the other way - and he was successful for a very brief period in test cricket.
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Great argument. I would change my stance a little bit. He's extremely talented and disciplined to change and adapt to multiple formats to understand the nuances of each. I agree, he doesn't bowl the same in T20s - what I meant was his application to do what was needed for T20's and have the intelligence to stick to the same line and length in tests is what impressed me. I was surprised too that he was consistently delivering what he is now, not surprised by his talent/application though.
 
zing said:
I don't like Umesh Yadav. Even when he did well at home for us, I've been very skeptical of him because he never seems to have a plan and sprays the ball like a random ball generator.

His selection is part of the reason we're going to lose this match, if we lose this.

We should've picked Jadeja for this. Or even Kuldeep given the number of left-handers.
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A one-trick pony. Some days he is brilliant when it works for him (remember the 6 wickets against England?) and others - he is bad. Learning to adapt is a big plus not many have.
 
GailSpaceWynand said:
Great argument. I would change my stance a little bit. He's extremely talented and disciplined to change and adapt to multiple formats to understand the nuances of each. I agree, he doesn't bowl the same in T20s - what I meant was his application to do what was needed for T20's and have the intelligence to stick to the same line and length in tests is what impressed me. I was surprised too that he was consistently delivering what he is now, not surprised by his talent/application though.
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Fair enough.
 
The fact we didn't at least pick one specialist spin option confuses me. Kuldeep could have worked.
 
GailSpaceWynand said:
A one-trick pony. Some days he is brilliant when it works for him (remember the 6 wickets against England?) and others - he is bad. Learning to adapt is a big plus not many have.
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He has been around for a long time and does not seem to improve at all.

I hope he bowls a good spell here - he is fresh and others have bowled brilliantly. This is such a key moment in the match..
 
Leaking too many runs. At this rate, the target will be too big to chase, as well there will be too much time to bat out. Oh well, I'm resigned to this being 1-1 soon.
 
Umesh Yadav single handedly taking the match away from us.
 
Players who definitely deserve to be benched: Umesh, Vijay, Rahul, Shami. In that order.

Bring in Jadeja, Shaw, and Bhuvneshwar. Not sure if anyone else out there has staked a claim for the opener’s spot. Current pair just isn’t cutting it.
 
Shami somehow gets wickets only in the second innings. :lol: Unless India get two or three more asap, match is as good as gone. Cummins, Lyon, and Starc can score a fair few. Hazlewood and Handscomb are the only two walking wickets in this lineup. On the other hand, we have Vijay, Rahul, Shami, Umesh, Ishant, Bumrah, and to some extent even Pant.
 
Krovv said:
Shami somehow gets wickets only in the second innings
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I keep telling my friends that Shami needs an entire innings to warm up.

You're right, need 2 more wickets before end of play to bring this back into balance.
 
Reckon we can chase around 220. Anything more and we're done.

Team selection over this year may cost us three away series'.
 
How good is Bumrah BTW? Possibly the best pace bowler from India I've ever seen.
 
KM said:
How good is Bumrah BTW? Possibly the best pace bowler from India I've ever seen.
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Zaheer is considered something of an Indian legend, but Bumrah's basically leagues ahead of him. Suspect he won't be effective at home -- but that bowling action is scary, you just feel like he'll have a short career.

I'd not even play him at home in tests.
 
zing said:
Zaheer is considered something of an Indian legend, but Bumrah's basically leagues ahead of him. Suspect he won't be effective at home -- but that bowling action is scary, you just feel like he'll have a short career.

I'd not even play him at home in tests.
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Yeah, people will go by the same old adage that he's new, don't overhype him etc but he's a class above Zak.

Also agree with you about not playing him in home matches. No point in playing him there when Jadeja and Ashwin clean up teams by themselves and Shami is also very good.
 
Oh and Kohli gets a lot of flak as a captain and most of it justified but his handling and usage of pace bowlers has been very refreshing. Don't forget that the Bumrah debut was a very surprising one in SA.
 
zing said:
Zaheer is considered something of an Indian legend, but Bumrah's basically leagues ahead of him. Suspect he won't be effective at home -- but that bowling action is scary, you just feel like he'll have a short career.

I'd not even play him at home in tests.
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KM said:
Yeah, people will go by the same old adage that he's new, don't overhype him etc but he's a class above Zak.

Also agree with you about not playing him in home matches. No point in playing him there when Jadeja and Ashwin clean up teams by themselves and Shami is also very good.
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He's a great in the making but Zak was easily the finest pacer produced by India and Bumrah has a long way to go till eclipsing him.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
He's a great in the making but Zak was easily the finest pacer produced by India and Bumrah has a long way to go till eclipsing him.
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Bumrah won't end up a great test fast bowler - he wont play at home and we do like away tours every 3 years.

Zaheer Khan was effective at home, but he never bowled spells the way Bumrah has in SA, England and Australia. He was a 130s bowler who spent spells setting up batsmen and taking their wicket, but he never brought the bowling attack alive the way Bumrah has done.

Zaheer's average of 32 - and I just looked up his stats on Cricinfo, he's had 1 year where he average 22 but everything else is above 30 pretty much - tells you all. He was a skillful bowler at home.

The fact we're talking like this is about Bumrah is as much down to the fact that India has a history of mediocrity in fast bowling. Bumrah may well fade into obscurity, but he's clearly bowled better this year than the rest of the lot we've had. I am not counting Kapil etc as I never saw them bowl.
 
There's a famous photo of Sachin Tendulkar, accepting the applause from a Melbourne crowd in 1999-2000, but the frame has only Tendulkar and a flock of seagulls in it. The photographer saw it as a metaphor for Tendulkar in a lone battle against a dominating side. It is a little like Kohli standing alone, waiting for a new partner in Centurion, Birmingham, Perth. Exhausted from carrying the side, Tendulkar gave up captaincy soon after that innings. Kohli somehow has bottomless reserves, and a much better bowling unit than Tendulkar.

Once again, 243 of India's 283 runs have come with him at the wicket. Once again, India seem headed towards a familiar defeat after having given up a 43-run first-innings lead. It can be easy to go into a shell, but he comes out charged up in the next innings. He is living every ball once again. He is shouting, appealing, sledging, jumping up and down, getting the crowd excited. There is no air of the condemned around him. He is looking forward to the challenge once again. That is what makes Kohli.
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Very well written

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25546423/essence-virat-kohli
 
Australia's bowlers are making our Batsmen seem a lot better than they actually are. This quite honestly, one of the worst Australian batting lineups ever assembled. There are 2 centurions in this team and one of them is a fecking Marsh. feck me dead.

Langer
Hayden
Ponting
Martyn
Hussey
Clarke
Gilchrist

Plus another 5 or 6 batsmen playing shield cricket that would walk into any other team on the planet. Aside from Tendulka for Martyn or Clarke (and when Martyn was on, he was one of the most elegant stroke makers in the game) you wouldn't choose another batsman in world cricket to move into that side. You have the two battering rams up top, probably the best player of the modern game at 3, then stable batsmen at 4-6 and then Gilchrist to come in and destroy what ever spirit your bowlers had left after the top 6 put 400+ on you. feck me then Warnie at 8 who averaged 25.

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Harris
Finch
Khawaja
Marsh
Handscomb
Head
Paine

How the feck have we gone from the former to the later in the space of 11 years feck me.
 
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  1. You mean “India’s bowlers”.
  2. So far the best your batsmen have scored is 326, of which the tail got 100+ runs.
  3. India has a good bowling lineup but we’ve failed to run through the tail in the last year.
  4. Home conditions in Test cricket count for a lot. Karun Nair has a triple hundred at home in Tests and he can’t even make the XI now.
  5. I also feel the two pitches we’ve seen in this series have assisted bowlers a bit more than Aussie pitches a few years ago. It’s not exactly flat pitch Friday out there, except on day 1 of this Test when Harris got runs.
 
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