We've bowled crap so far.
India tour to Australia
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Wow 4 fast bowlers! Is there anyone in the team who can bowl a bit to give the fast bowlers a little breather every now and then?
From the last match, Vijay can bowl the odd over but anyone else?
From the last match, Vijay can bowl the odd over but anyone else?
Vihari.
If the opposition bats first, it's already disadvantage India. Plus bowling has been poor so far. Not looking good.
Didn't know Vihari bowled. I thought he was more of a pure batsman like VVS.
@zing was right, playing four fast bowlers without another extra bowler is proving to be suicidal.
And more than bowling poorly, all of them look tired already. Sack whoever thought scheduling 2 summer tests with just 3 days between them was a good idea.
And more than bowling poorly, all of them look tired already. Sack whoever thought scheduling 2 summer tests with just 3 days between them was a good idea.
Took a couple of wickets on debut iirc.
Read somewhere that India have still not won a test away from home under Kohli while fielding first. The last time we won away while fielding first was in 2010 or something.
Probably true. The one Test India won in England was when Root lost his mind and sent us in to bat.
Chasing in the fourth innings is a huge challenge, so the only chance for India is to bat Australia out of this game. As of now, it looks like Australia will easily get 400. The openers have done a great job and we don't have Ashwin to expose Aussie left-handers.Winning a toss is such a huge advantage in Test cricket, especially for the home side. It's almost unfair.
Australia now know how to bowl to the Indian batsmen, what works and what doesn't on this pitch. Indians went in thinking the pitch will swing, committed to the pacers on a flat surface and got smashed all over the park. And you know the fourth/fifth day pitch will cause issues to the second Indian innings.
I'd like to see stats of win percentage of the toss-winning team. I hated the feck out of a lost toss in England, too. A coin toss nullifying the game.
Australia now know how to bowl to the Indian batsmen, what works and what doesn't on this pitch. Indians went in thinking the pitch will swing, committed to the pacers on a flat surface and got smashed all over the park. And you know the fourth/fifth day pitch will cause issues to the second Indian innings.
I'd like to see stats of win percentage of the toss-winning team. I hated the feck out of a lost toss in England, too. A coin toss nullifying the game.
I see what you're saying, but the bowling itself was pretty ordinary tbh.
Jadeja will be missed here, looking at how Vihari is already bowling.
Australia have done enough. Indian batting will wilt on this track unless someone turns up with a miracle knock. It doesn't look good right now with cracks on the pitch, India missed a trick by benching Jadeja. He should've played ahead of Umesh, who has leaked runs today.
Agree about ditching the toss, but come on - India's decision to omit the spinner is their own stupidity. It would have been just as daft a decision had they won the toss and batted.
The problem is none of your four quicks is a decent batsman, so you can't play all four without ditching the spinner.
Are there no all-rounders in Indian domestic cricket who could play as a fourth seamer? Panda's shown himself to be a bit limited at the top level.
Alternatively, you could pick Pant at 6 and Ashwin/Jadeja at 7. Batting looks a bit brittle then though.
Are there no all-rounders in Indian domestic cricket who could play as a fourth seamer? Panda's shown himself to be a bit limited at the top level.
Alternatively, you could pick Pant at 6 and Ashwin/Jadeja at 7. Batting looks a bit brittle then though.
Good day for Australia although one less wicket and 20 more runs would have been better. Harris did well on a pitch that won't be easy to bat on.
Again indian think tank have made a stupid decision by playing 4 fast bowlers who cannot bat a bit. Ridiculous decision. Virat has this tendency to go extra aggressive and that has backfired his side many times. If Australia score 300+ then our batters have a huge task. It all depends on how well we bat in our first innings. If we fail then that's it for this match.
Yeah you've got to go big in the first innings. Kohli has to produce.
It has to be more than kohli if we have to win it. I don't trust our openers and vihari/pant are too inexperienced to be trusted. It all depends on kohli/pujara/rahane. If 2 off these three produce big time then we could have a good chance to take some lead. I honestly cannot see us chasing any more than 200 and considering how we have failed to chase in SA and in England, can't see us doing this time too.
This has batting collapse written all over it. I'm gonna write off this match and hope Shaw comes good in the next one. I doubt if this team will be able to handle Lyon on this pitch.Yeah this isn't looking good. Losing the toss means losing the game.
In theory, tomorrow should be the best day to bat so if we get them out quickly, we might be able to balance out the scores early on day 3. Then, it could be a coin toss as to who goes on to win. Bizarre decision making by the team management, as usual.
On the positive side for India: the Aussie quicks will be just as knackered as the Indians, having had exactly the same rest period. And they're really injury-prone.
The key will be batting long and trying to wear out the quicks. They'll really crank it up at the start but you might have some joy if you can get through that period.
The key will be batting long and trying to wear out the quicks. They'll really crank it up at the start but you might have some joy if you can get through that period.
If the scores are balanced on day three, it isn't a coin toss. Australia will be in the driving seat. They've got a top-class spinner, you've left yours out.
Their bowlers have got more rest actually. Our bowlers bowled last in Adelaide and areabowling first here. That's at least 2 extra days rest for the Aussie bowlers.
Depends if this pitch turns. Without turn, I think we're capable of handling Lyon.
India didn't have any. Yet again, the team management had misread a pitch. It is hard enough to win away Tests. It is harder still to do so after losing the toss. India just keep making it harder for themselves by misreading pitches and selecting poorly. You could tell from how Virat Kohli spoke a day before the Test - "we hope no grass is shaved off", "we are more excited than nervous", "we have the fast bowlers to exploit these conditions" - there was a real danger of India getting carried away.
This was only the third time in their history that India went into a Test without a specialist spinner - not counting Sydney 1991-92 because India did have the now-coach Ravi Shastri, a capable spinner in a variety of ways. There is a sound reason for that. Actually a variety of sound reasons. Good spinners help control the pace of the game. You get caught out on a stinker, they help you keep the fast bowlers fresh. You need to bowl last, they become crucial. You need them for over rate. You need them as a fail-safe; if the pitch is so helpful for fast bowlers that you think you can play four of them, three of them should do the job anyway. Most importantly, as the team management of a professional Test side, you can't be misreading conditions so often.
This was only the third time in their history that India went into a Test without a specialist spinner - not counting Sydney 1991-92 because India did have the now-coach Ravi Shastri, a capable spinner in a variety of ways. There is a sound reason for that. Actually a variety of sound reasons. Good spinners help control the pace of the game. You get caught out on a stinker, they help you keep the fast bowlers fresh. You need to bowl last, they become crucial. You need them for over rate. You need them as a fail-safe; if the pitch is so helpful for fast bowlers that you think you can play four of them, three of them should do the job anyway. Most importantly, as the team management of a professional Test side, you can't be misreading conditions so often.
We did it in England. Not once, not twice but thrice. We did it here again.
By day one stumps it is apparent how a good spinner can torment batsmen, and how the pitch is deteriorating with cracks. We've gifted the match away with 4 pacers who can't bat.
Whoever is in charge of reading pitches should be relieved of their duty, and a specialist should be hired. This is embarrassing.
By day one stumps it is apparent how a good spinner can torment batsmen, and how the pitch is deteriorating with cracks. We've gifted the match away with 4 pacers who can't bat.
Whoever is in charge of reading pitches should be relieved of their duty, and a specialist should be hired. This is embarrassing.
The bowling was erratic in the first session, yes. Thing is, apart from Bumrah, Ishant and the missing Bhubaneswar Kumar, none of the other Indian quicks are dependable. And we should have taken a spinner.
I agree. The Indian management has made a terrible blunder. My misgivings about the toss, however, remain.
Woke up and was disappointed, then in like ten mins four wickets went down. Still a high score but could've been a lot worse. Going to be a good watch this innings.
Shami needs to be dropped and Bhuvi needs to be brought in.
India definitely need to bat with the intention of getting a significant lead or at the very worst, match their score. Any Aussie lead of 100 odd runs and the match is gone.
And there goes Vijay.
I hope this is Vijays last match. And rahuls as well for some time.
Agarwal deserves a go.
Agarwal deserves a go.
I genuinely can't remember the last time Vijay did something useful for the team. Unofficial quotas keep him in the team unfortunately.
Rahul and Vijay cna both feck off. Aggarwal and Shaw to be given a chance.
There's no unofficial quota. It's just shit team selection.
I can't believe Rahul has played 32 matches. That is a hell lot.
Can't stand how he's always on ads and Instagram while constantly batting like rubbish.
Last innings when he made the 40 odd was a big indication he needs to go back to Ranji. Played no shots for a long time and his only scoring shots were swinging for the skies. No game plan, can't make runs like that in tests.
There's a player there clearly but you can't keep giving him chances when someone like Mayank has been scoring runs in bundles in Ranji. I really don't rate Mayank btw and think he doesn't have the technique but Ranji numbers should be given importance and he has done well on India A tours.
Never seen Agarwal play in whites.
Can't teach a guy to bat time. Guys who have shown that in Ranji deserve a go for that reason. Same with Vihari, he doesn't seem like a world beater from the little I have seen of him but he values his wicket and will dig in.
Abhinav mukund is another guy but he looks like a walking wicket whenever he plays for India against good bowlers.