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The fact that you think Ponting was any better behaved than Kohli shows what an hypocrite you are.
It's humorous how wound up Aussies get over Kohli. Can dish it but can't take it. Typical.
Ponting was not even close to carrying on like as big a pork chop as Kohli. And even if he did, he was the captain of one of the greatest test team ever assembled and was only one absolute genius (who is probably the best cricket player since Bradman) away from being its best player. I'd say having that arrogance about him was more than justified. He certainly didnt walk around with a massive chip on his shoulder that the world owes him something. Kohli could learn alot about how Sachin handled himself and he might be respected by the wider cricket community.
Yeah he was a 2x bigger jackass than Kohli, and neither he was the best cricket player since Bradman(
). Christ, do you even watch cricket outside Australia or know players?Kohli is respected enough by the wider cricket community, it's only the Aussie media and ex-players who don't like him but that's no surprise as the whole Aussie cricket system is full of people who can dish it but can't take it. Infact the cricketing system is so rotten that it was not really a surprise when Smith got found out as a cheating scumbag.
Yeah he was a 2x bigger jackass than Kohli, and neither he was the best cricket player since Bradman(
Ponting the best cricket player since Bradman, wtf is he smoking? Anyone who thinks Ponting was justified in his acts has to be deluded. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ricky+ponting+cheat
I think he's referring to Sachin as the best player since Bradman and saying Ponting was only one player away (Sachin) from being the best.
Gary Sobers was the best cricketer after Bradman and regardless there are 10 more players before Ponting who'd be in contention for best player ever.
Aussies rate Ponting a lot higher, which is not surprising. None of his innings made it to Cricinfo's list of most important Test performances either. http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24403247/the-top-25-test-batting-performances-all
I will predict the lineup for the next Test:
Openers: Rohit Sharma, Murali Vijay
Batsmen: Cheteshwar Pujara, Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane
Keeper: Pant
All-rounder: Hardik Pandya
Bowlers: Ashwin, Bumrah, Ishant, Shami
Openers: Rohit Sharma, Murali Vijay
Batsmen: Cheteshwar Pujara, Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane
Keeper: Pant
All-rounder: Hardik Pandya
Bowlers: Ashwin, Bumrah, Ishant, Shami
Let's be honest, Kohli's antics are embarrassing.
Being a prick comes naturally to the Australians. When Kohli acts like this, it comes across as contrived and childish.
Being a prick comes naturally to the Australians. When Kohli acts like this, it comes across as contrived and childish.
Ah right, wondered why he wasn’t playing. Surely they should have played Jadeja instead then.
Kohli is better than Smith, don't think I've seen an overseas batsman perform as well as Kohli did in the English summer given how the conditions were like at times.
I would put kohli closer to pointing than to Smith tbh but that could be me underrating Smith.
Also for all his flaws atleast he isn't a cheat.
I think Smith still edges it in tests though the last 2 years of Kohli have been unbelievable. Smith's not even in the same ball park for the LO versions of the game
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ricky+ponting+cheat
No mate, Shane Warne was the best Cricketer since Bradman. This is a bloke who spent half his career playing on wickets that didn't suit his bowling styles and still took 700+ wickets...
He simply isn't. In the only actual form of the game that matters for the measure of great cricketers (being test cricket), the statistics for Smith is superior to Kohli.
And reducing Steve Smith to being a cheat is bullshit. It was beyond doubt that Warner was the instigator behind the ball tampering and Smith takes the bullet for being the Captain while that feckwit of human being decides to send his mate out with sandpaper in the middle of a series where anybody with half a fecking brain (which Warner clearly doesnt have) knows Cameras will be directed on anything even remotely suspicious from the visiting players.
Aye and apparently we're branded around the world as the racists... but hey, we apparently dont have external features that are "ethnic" so slandering an entire nation as being pricks isnt classified as racism...
Statistics don't tell the full story, you have to watch the game to realise how a good player is at a current time, and currently Kohli is better than Smith.
As for the cheating accusation, it's great that Smith is able to cry and all but he is either a cheat or an absolute dimwit for letting Warner do what he did. Doesn't look good either way.
India’s lineup consisted of two openers who can’t score a run between them, no.6 and 7 have nine test matches between them followed by four no.11 standard batsmen. Good luck winning tests away from India with that.
On another note while test cricket had progressed in terms of becoming results driven and seeing far less draws, I do think we’re becoming precariously close to a ‘win the toss, win the match’ type situation. That’s exactly how I see the remainder of the series going, the toss is far too significant in terms of how the match plays out
On another note while test cricket had progressed in terms of becoming results driven and seeing far less draws, I do think we’re becoming precariously close to a ‘win the toss, win the match’ type situation. That’s exactly how I see the remainder of the series going, the toss is far too significant in terms of how the match plays out
We are digressing but its a bit stupid to pin the entire blame of Sandpaper-gate on Warner or put it like something Warner concocted in his brain and the entire team management was caught unaware about the incident.
Exactly. @FlawlessThaw said too, there's no scenario where Smith came out looking ok.
It's also funny because for years every Indian fan I know was critical of the Aussies for their antics but now everyone protects Virat for the same .
Strange that its 2018 and Kohli & Root are still captaining their national teams. Cricket is the one sport with the biggest role for the captain and yet we are still following the best player is captain system
The guy is in charge of ball management. I dare say every bloody team in the world does it, but common sense would say, when you're facing your hardest opponent and winning the series can take you nearly to number 1 test ranking in world cricket, dont fecking draw attention to yourself when every camera in that stadium will be focused on finding every absolutely flaw with your teams actions.
Dravid in 2011 is the one for me.
India were a shambles that Summer, he was a one man batting lineup.
India's issue is that none of the batsmen bar Kohli should be guaranteed a spot. They're all very inconsistent.
Nothing too strange about that, tbh. Most fans are bloody hypocrites.
You’re seemingly every bit as bitter as the people you’re accusing. For what it’s worth, Kohli is well respected in Aus. There are a few notable personalities that don’t like him (Mitch Johnson, but the two have history) but for the most part, he is admired in Australia. It’s fair to say the fanbase generally doesn’t like him, but I’d wager that has more to do with how good he is as a player than his on-field antics. Of course some carry on about how he conducts himself, but isn’t that the whole point? It’s deliberate on his part. You cannot deny Kohli can be a bit of a prick on field, but it’s great for the game and great for the spectacle. Probably pretty intimidating, too.Yeah he was a 2x bigger jackass than Kohli, and neither he was the best cricket player since Bradman(
Kohli is respected enough by the wider cricket community, it's only the Aussie media and ex-players who don't like him but that's no surprise as the whole Aussie cricket system is full of people who can dish it but can't take it. Infact the cricketing system is so rotten that it was not really a surprise when Smith got found out as a cheating scumbag.
The stuff you’re saying about Smith is a little out of order - you wanna go after a scumbag in Aus cricket, look no further than Warner (and, imo, Lehmann). Both have priors, unlike Smith, who seems like a good bloke that made a shocking mistake. So yeah, I think your comments lose any credence when you attempt to lambast Australian cricket, while simultaneously carrying on like a hypocrite yourself - or, too use your own words, a bloke that “can dish it but can’t take it”.
True words.
You can't follow Oz cricket and not own up to its history. Almost all non Aussie fans were sniggering at the suggestion of that scandal being a one off for Aussies. One has to be extremely naive to believe that this was the first time Oz cricket team tried to cheat and got caught on that very first attempt. Just instances like the under arm incident show that Oz cricket has always been willing to venture into gray even in full open view to win. Oz being the only place where Murali started to be no balled wasnt surprising either. Ball tampering scandal just proved wider cricketing audience's suspicion of Oz team dabbling in grey or black areas just to win. Instead of crying about, would serve you lot better to prove otherwise by actions now.
As far as Kohli is concerned, he is like Keano. Opposition will almost always hate him. He is a dickhead but he gets to be one given how good he is. I
Not sure which people you knew but since Ganguly's era, a lot of fans have always been all for giving it back as hard as possible. There are some still stuck in past of cricket being a gentleman's game and want Indian crickets to rise above such antics but personally I believe they are minority.
I'm sorry but you seem oblivious or wilfully blind about the Aussie cricketing culture. Ask any non Aussie how they feel about the previous Aussie teams and they'll all reply the same.
Hell even a committee assigned by Cricket Australia said the same : https://www.cricket.com.au/news/cri...-players-south-africa-smith-warner/2018-10-29
And also its ridiculous that aussies in this thread have absolved Smith of any blame in the ball tempering case. It's outright stupid and delusion to think that poor Smith was a scapegoat and it was all Warner's fault.
Even without the sandpaper gate which will inevitably hang over Smith's head over his entire career, it's not as clear cut as you make it out to be. Ponting at his peak was averaging 60+ in Tests, by the time he was done he finished at 51.85. Smith's greatest strength is his hand-eye coordination ala Sehwag, which would inevitably slow down as he'd age. It's delusional to be so assertive, there is no guarantee statistics would still be in Smith's favor when his career is done. In fact over the last 3 years Kohli has been matching him in Tests, and he takes a dump on Smith from a very great height in limited overs.
You claim Kohli is an arrogant feck-wit, you aren't coming across any better.
It's crazy how many Aussies are willing to absolve Steve Smith of all the blame and lay it on the evil duo of Warner and Lehmann
Smith was looking at dressing room for DRS referrals long before sandpaper came into light, just look at the footage.Buck ends with the captain, he could've put an end to all of it in an instant. But lo and behold, he didn't and early on didn't seem to think much was wrong. Just look at his post-match presser ffs, it's only after it blew up then we saw him soften up and own up to his mistakes. Yet, we have gullible Aussies thinking poor Steve was hard done by Warner, Lehmann and co.
I wouldn't compare kohli to keane, kohli has more control over his temper and comparatively is closer to messi than keane in terms of talent. That gets him respect despite his antics.
Yeah, probably not the best comparison. May be Ronaldo is a better comparison.
Are you two kidding me? Shall I cite the NUMEROUS examples from other nations of cheating/ball tampering etc that gets quite literally a fraction of the attention that the Aus scandal got? Let’s not forget it was our own cricketing association that decided to punish the perpetrators so harshly. The official governing body gave those lads what, 2 games or something? I’d say that’s a nod to the repeated SIMILAR acts that occur and have occurred in test cricket by other nations. Of course I’m not blind to the Aus culture, I’ve followed it my whole life. We are unpopular for two reasons: firstly, and more significantly, because we’ve been so dominant; and secondly, because we sledge and play hard. Don’t bring ‘cheating’ into it, unless you’d also like to damn all the other nations that have cheated/tampered with the ball in the past. I have no bitterness to any one nation, and I will not attempt to justify what Aus did. It’s horrendous and shameful. But it’s also not so out of the norm (in test cricket) that it warrants such sanctimony from you lot.
I’d also like to say that at no point did I absolve Smith, or other seniors, of blame. Don’t selectively read what I wrote: all of it was speculation on my part but, going on available evidence, Smith seems at least something approaching a decent bloke when his history is taken into account. This is in stark contrast to Warner and even lehmann, who seem (and have always seemed) like shady characters. I’ll throw McGrath into the mix too: he’s a piece of shit as well, but that’s a separate discussion.
Point being, stop carrying this holier than thou attitude. Where are you two from? Can you say with a clean conscience that your nation has never been accused/caught even slightly tampering with the ball, or playing slightly beyond the spirit of the game? Finally, why so unabashedly bitter towards Aus? It’s literally so palpable I could cut it with a knife. Your wilful ignorance (@crappycraperson this isn’t really directed to you - I haven’t dealt with you on here much and your comment does have a lot of merit/noteworthy discussion points) is detrimental to a productive discussion.
@Kush read the above. Yet another obviously spiteful individual. Why the feck would any Aussie that wants to genuinely discuss cricket (and it’s shortcomings) engage in a fecking discussion with you? Watch what you fecking type. Who are you to call me gullible, when your only available evdidence is your misinterpretation of my innocuous initial comment?
There was no mention of any Aussie antics until @mariachi-19 started with his nonsense about Virat Kohli and how Ponting could be acting like a dickhead but he was that good but Kohli should learn a lesson in humility from Tendulkar. What sort of nonsense is that?
You'd do well to direct your ire at him when this thread was about Cricket only before his comments.
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You’d do well to avoid tarring everyone with the same brush. There’s a reason I didn’t echo his views re Ponting, and that’s simply because I don’t agree with them. You can wholeheartedly disagree with the way the aussies have played their cricket (not including the sandpaper as that is just obviously unacceptable), but if so, you can’t stand by Kohli. Or, like me, you can appreciate that as long as it’s conducted within the spirit of the game, it’s fair play. Don’t criticise Ponting but then applaud Kohli - you can’t have it both ways. Myself? I welcome Kohli’s current behaviour - its great for the game.
Not applauding Kohli at all. He's a cnut but he's our cnut.