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Have you even seen the options on that app?

Inb4 why would someone living outside bother to install the app?

I had it installed a long time back, never used it and deleted it while cleaning my phone. But i imagine the questions to be fair, unless they were not?
 
Why did you not install that crAPP and give your piece of mind? The crAPP is can be installed on non bhakts and non bjp phones too, unless a smiling Modi at the start of the crAPP turns you off.
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Too bad I didn't take survey as I don't have the app installed. I need to install it quickly I guess to prove I am 'bhakt'.
 
See who is getting pumped up now!!! My dear friend, the simple questions to you today are, Modi called his crAPP survey as Historic. Do you support Modi's claims that 92% people of India supports him and his demonetisation move? Do you believe that 5 lakh people (even that number is to be verified) who voted through a joke APP survey portrays the emotions of a country which has a population of 13000 lakh people? What is your opinion about the Prime Minister of the biggest democracy in the world trying to fool the nation through such cheap tricks?



And, what is your opinion on Modi asking BJP lawmaker's to declare their bank transaction details from Nov 8th to Dec 31st?
a) A commendable step in eradicating black money?
b) Ensures high level of transparency?
c) An example to follow?
d) Better than nothing?
e) Does Pappu and Kejri has the courage to ask the same to their lawmakers?

Which one is your answer?


A really quick check shows the app has been downloaded 5-10m times from the Play store. Other app stores will probably add 1-2m
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.narendramodiapp&hl=en


Btw, the guy is a narcissist. Its all about brand Modi. there is no reason for the app to be named after him. The app developer is NarendraModi.in
 
I didn't care about survey of Modi's app. There were couple of independent survey as well with more than 80% approving but even that wasn't something I wanted to dissect a lot. Overall it was a good move with good intent and that's what matters to me. I don't form my opinion based on what clowns at EPW or wire or catch news post so I don't care about the fake tears of desperation hiding behind calling move 'anti-poor' or the unsubstantiated scam claims. A huge proportion of people are certainly not angry with move which is clear based on recent elections. In long run this move is not going to have positive or negative impact on election anyway but recent elections show that majority are surely not angry.

Your intellectual level however is quite apparent with the 'crAPP' thing as is with your other posts so it is quite funny to see you going in conspiracy mode and being so flustered.

Those who want to believe his app's figures will, those who don't want to can ignore. If you are so desperate go ask for detail of each of 5 lakh survey response. Or conduct your own survey. Make sure to share it between wire and epw's subscribers only though as you will want it 'unbiased.'
Btw 5lakh is good enough sample for a population of 13000 lakh. You have opportunity tobe smarter than Modi to make sure those 5lakh are covering all stratas.

On bank details Again, BJP asking it's lawmakers to disclose transaction is party's internal matter and hence for submission to party chief. If you are again too desperate about it and argue that because they are public servants public should know, somebody from public(you) need to go file an RTI and ask bank details of all of those lawmakers for last 2.5 years.

My friend, i am sure that you are a highly educated man with high IQ. But please don't fool yourself by blindly supporting someone or something.

(The bolded part) This is the problem, people are only reading/listening reports which they want to read/listen. I would say, read/listen as much as possible from all the corners. Check the authenticity of the claims and then come to a conclusion. Blind supporting on any matter will only harm you. Serious advice, take it or leave it.. :)
 
I had it installed a long time back, never used it and deleted it while cleaning my phone. But i imagine the questions to be fair, unless they were not?
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You can judge for yourself.

Edit: Before you question the source.
 
My friend, i am sure that you are a highly educated man with high IQ. But please don't fool yourself by blindly supporting someone or something.

(The bolded part) This is the problem, people are only reading/listening reports which they want to read/listen. I would say, read/listen as much as possible from all the corners. Check the authenticity of the claims and then come to a conclusion. Blind supporting on any matter will only harm you. Serious advice, take it or leave it.. :)
Funnily my friend, "only reading/listening what one wants to" is an advice which is very much applicable to you :)
 
Must be infuriating for you select 1% of the elite population who have figured Modi and his scams. I hope you get someone you deserve soon. Plus from the way i post, it's clear that i am not highly educated so i guess i can continue (with a clean conscience) hope with a that Modi continues to reform the country.

I am sure you would make a very good script writer. Maybe you ought to think about channeling your anger and earn some money off it.

I am of the impression that you are better educated than me. And thanks for the advice mate, i will think about it.
 
I had it installed a long time back, never used it and deleted it while cleaning my phone. But i imagine the questions to be fair, unless they were not?
I didn't see all questions, just scrolled over some in an article. The survey wasn't giving much scope for criticism seemed true. But then, why would anyone want to form opinion on what app survey says is what I wonder about. App will most likely be installed by only those who like Modi and won't rate negatively anyway.

There was a C-voter survey, I think I had posted link to it in this thread. It had economic class wise, urban-rural wise, age wise survey response and it was also overwhelmingly positive. I guess C-voter might be crAPP too though given the results.
 
A really quick check shows the app has been downloaded 5-10m times from the Play store. Other app stores will probably add 1-2m
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.narendramodiapp&hl=en


Btw, the guy is a narcissist. Its all about brand Modi. there is no reason for the app to be named after him. The app developer is NarendraModi.in


Modi's ads cost the taxpayer Rs 1100 crore. Twice as much as Mangalyaan

https://in.news.yahoo.com/modis-ads-cost-taxpayer-rs-155750527.html
http://www.catchnews.com/politics-n...e-twice-as-much-as-mangalyaan-1480347843.html
 
There is no need to pretend demonitisation isn't a popular move. It plainly is (on the whole). The respected and experienced field reporters are saying so.

What I'm debating is whether it is effective at the stated objectives (removing black money from the system by forcing it out or making it legal and declared, combating counterfeits), and whether the implementation has been good.
IMO it is chasing a negligible amount of black money in the most disruptive way possible, so it fails at the 1st objective. It would have succeeded at combating counterfeits but with the shoddy implementation and multiple versions of the same note being released by RBI the 2nd objective is gone too. Finally, and here most people in the thread agree, the implementation has been poor due to slow printing, misinformation, inconsistent declarations from the PM himself, and clear lack of planning wrt farming.
 
I wish you were reading as much as i do. Never mind..
I would but I have better things to do in life than read what clowns on epw or wire think. I also prefer not to parrot what's written on some questionable sites and regurgitate elsewhere. You obviously do though. Never mind...
 
Today Venkaiah Naidu writing in IE said that demonitisation is a "cultural revolution." Which I think suggests the kind of plan BJP had. It is not the move itself but the perception and popular response to it that matters. About 2-3 days back an article in IE had suggested that. With Naidu's words I think it becomes a more solid theory.

Venkaiah Naidu's words:
The demonetisation of high-value currency notes announced on November 8 by Prime Minister Narendra Modi has several dimensions. Cutting off money channels to terrorists and extremist elements, weeding out counterfeit currency and driving out black money are the visible, short-term objectives. But the long-term consequences and gains include ushering in a behavioural change at all levels of society. It is a part of the grand “cultural revolution” that the PM is working on. The entrenched old order needs to make way for a new normal. This cultural revolution, impinging on all walks of public and private life amounts to shaking up the system.


This was the earlier article on the same theme: http://indianexpress.com/article/op...ects-debate-its-permanent-revolution-4395371/
 
Today Venkaiah Naidu writing in IE said that demonitisation is a "cultural revolution." Which I think suggests the kind of plan BJP had. It is not the move itself but the perception and popular response to it that matters. About 2-3 days back an article in IE had suggested that. With Naidu's words I think it becomes a more solid theory.

Venkaiah Naidu's words:



This was the earlier article on the same theme: http://indianexpress.com/article/op...ects-debate-its-permanent-revolution-4395371/

Looking in to the future at a cashless economy is not a cultural reform? I came out of India for the first time ever in 2014 and was so surprised that i hardly had to withdraw any money from the atm's it was almost completely contactless / cashless from the smallest store to the biggest.

So it starts now, maybe in 10 years we might get to that level. So this is a cultural revolution and this would paint the BJP in positive light if it works. Should a political party not reap benefits when they take risks? If there is a positive perspective about the party so what? It is a bonus gained as a side step of taking baby steps towards cashless economy and fighting against black money.

Unless you are of the opinion that this step was taken just to create an atmosphere of fighting against black money while in reality it was to put a positive spin for the party and Modi, which of course you are entitled to believe.
 
So it starts now, maybe in 10 years we might get to that level.

Why? Surely the urban and semi-urban areas can be converted faster. The truly rural un-banked segment will take time, but I believe the bulk concentration of cash flows happens in urban and semi urban areas. We don't have to boil the ocean in one stroke. I choose to believe this is a first step of many in fight against black money.
 
Why? Surely the urban and semi-urban areas can be converted faster. The truly rural un-banked segment will take time, but I believe the bulk concentration of cash flows happens in urban and semi urban areas. We don't have to boil the ocean in one stroke. I choose to believe this is a first step of many in fight against black money.

True, i meant that it might take that amount of time for it to be used as a primary means in the length and breadth of the country.

Off-topic. I would love to have the contact less option that the cards in UK have for a certain amount where you just show the card to the reader and within miliseconds the transaction is done. Even self checkouts, but i guess that step will cut jobs across so will be a hindrance.
 
Questioning the step itself while wanting to curb black money is hypocrisy and shows the hidden agendas openly (not that you have any). The opposition has not allowed the house to function, is that the way of doing things?
Opposition is the same as those in the govt. They are politicians. They would be opportunistic to the core. So I hardly give any value to their shouts though I would lend a ear to the sensible stuff they come up with occasionally.
The bolded part is where I disagree. Every move has its own pros and cons. Just because govt says demonetization will kill black money, we need not swallow it as a whole. Given the % of black money in cash is in single digits as per economists and there are loads of knowledgeable people who have said that demonetization will not have a huge impact on the actual black money hoarders, there is quite a bit of argument to evaluate whether the pains that the common man is facing is worth it or not.
 
Can we not have that blithering cuntsocket Kejriwal in the discussion of the next PM? Thanks.
It's depressing enough to see the retard in charge of my city.
 
Good wins in assembly and parliament for BJP in by-elections by retaining own seats and gaining 2 and now back to back big wins in Maharashtra and Gujrat civic polls over last 2 days. Even state like Tripura where BJP is nowhere and which is a left bastion, BJP gained in votes in by-elections.

Usually by-elections don't mean much and favor respective incumbent party in government and same pattern followed here but all these elections have been after demonetization move. We can thus conclude that people are REALLY unhappy with Modi and demonetization move. Not.
Just like Delhi and Bihar elections proved that all people absolutely despise Modi and his party.
 
Just like Delhi and Bihar elections proved that all people absolutely despise Modi and his party.
Ya because those elections happened after a radical change like this, right? And majority who are unhappy with a radical event like demonetization, don't show it in election which happens within 15 days of move? Hmmm.
 
There is no need to pretend demonitisation isn't a popular move. It plainly is (on the whole). The respected and experienced field reporters are saying so.

What I'm debating is whether it is effective at the stated objectives (removing black money from the system by forcing it out or making it legal and declared, combating counterfeits), and whether the implementation has been good.
IMO it is chasing a negligible amount of black money in the most disruptive way possible, so it fails at the 1st objective. It would have succeeded at combating counterfeits but with the shoddy implementation and multiple versions of the same note being released by RBI the 2nd objective is gone too. Finally, and here most people in the thread agree, the implementation has been poor due to slow printing, misinformation, inconsistent declarations from the PM himself, and clear lack of planning wrt farming.

I think the initiative brings lot of important and necessary structural changes in the banking sector. Dealing in a cash only system is both useless and ineffective in the long term. More taxable income translate to, better and effective govt initiatives. The rate at which our cost of living is growing, the govt needs to be more fiscally responsible. It also is a huge relief for the public sector banks. They have been hurting a lot over the last few years, new influx of cash helps all of us(farmers especially). The advantages are plenty, if one is actually willing to look at them.
 
Ya because those elections happened after a radical change like this, right? And majority who are unhappy with a radical event like demonetization, don't show it in election which happens within 15 days of move? Hmmm.
Well if one can extrapolate civic body polls in BJP ruled states and by-elections in few places to a central govt policy we definitely can do the same with state elections in other places.
 
Mr. Parrikar should also learn from people who on internet try to milk soldiers dying to make an illogical point.
 
Well maybe internet people learn from the bosses who milk soldiers standing at posts to draw illogical comparisons with ATM queues
 
Well if one can extrapolate civic body polls in BJP ruled states and by-elections in few places to a central govt policy we definitely can do the same with state elections in other places.
A simple point that one was an usual election and other was immediately after a radical move is something you are having trouble understanding but I am not surprised. Besides, it has caused a great discomfort to poor and majority is what detractors say, so it should reflect in voting. There is reason I am just pointing recent polls. Election happening 6 month down the line should not have much impact either way.
 
Well maybe internet people learn from the bosses who milk soldiers standing at posts to draw illogical comparisons with ATM queues
Yeah that's exactly what those ATM queues comparison (as pointless as they were), did. Again a great show of logic. When we have people like you who are desperate to milk 7 soldiers' death, we don't need those comparisons as well though. You are someone who gets pained with others standing in ATM queue but celebrates soldiers' death as a point gained on political opposition. Those who sat standing in ATM queue for a day is not a big pain have got no patch on you. Well done.
 


I would request all of you to look at the matter rather than the poster. And then add the Greece financial collapse story to this.

India pre-demonetisation, if the banks collapses like it happened in Greece, what will be the situation? We will struggle, businesses will be down, but we will still manage as our economy is not entirely dependent on banking systems. Almost 70% of transactions in India are cash based. So, things won't get out of our hand as happened in Greece.

Post-demonetisation, India becomes cashless economy. People don't carry cash and are fully dependent on the banking systems. Life is easy for those who are up to that change. Economy and banks are more vulnerable to external factors. And at some point if banks collapse (it's possible, right?), what will happen?

Guys, this is not about Modi, Rahul or Kejriwal. It's about you and me. It's us who are going to struggle with this.

And please don't misunderstand, i am not against e-payments and cards. 90% of my personal transactions are e-payments. But i am advocating for a balance between cash and cashless transactions. I think it is very must for the stability of our economy. Imo, the concept of cashless economy is not suitable for a country like India.
 
A simple point that one was an usual election and other was immediately after a radical move is something you are having trouble understanding but I am not surprised. Besides, it has caused a great discomfort to poor and majority is what detractors say, so it should reflect in voting. There is reason I am just pointing recent polls. Election happening 6 month down the line should not have much impact either way.
Elections are fought on so many factors. Voters consider the representatives standing and then make a decision accordingly especially in civic bodies. It is completely naive to think that local elections should be fought over national issues. I am not surprised though when one is purposefully blind.
 
Yeah that's exactly what those ATM queues comparison (as pointless as they were), did. Again a great show of logic. When we have people like you who are desperate to milk 7 soldiers' death, we don't need those comparisons as well though. You are someone who gets pained with others standing in ATM queue but celebrates soldiers' death as a point gained on political opposition. Those who sat standing in ATM queue for a day is not a big pain have got no patch on you. Well done.
You have no clue what I think about soldiers getting martyred. So don't just shout off your mouth because you can.
 
Elections are fought on so many factors. Voters consider the representatives standing and then make a decision accordingly especially in civic bodies. It is completely naive to think that local elections should be fought over national issues. I am not surprised though when one is purposefully blind.
Of course voters consider representatives standing and they do consider their current situation and expectation from future. A radical move which has been very bad for them will move them away from party who is hailing it as great move and highlighted during election. Common sense, have some of it once you get past the blind hate.

You have no clue what I think about soldiers getting martyred. So don't just shout off your mouth because you can.
You have no clue what Parrikar thinks about soldiers getting martyred and different ways he is working to tackle it. So don't just shout off your mouth because you can.
 
Every single person I know who had cash stashed around has got his cash into the system taking a minor hit. Most of the Bjp supporting people I follow on Twitter and fb have kind of started to accept that this has not gone well and the worst is probably yet to come. I will openly say that I don't like Modi and the Bjp but on 8th I spent hours praising his move on twitter, fb and WA because I thought it seemed like a simple and smart idea but the finer details that I have seen every day since then have made me question the move. This thread has been incredibly scary though, the vitriol here is on a completely different level.
 


I would request all of you to look at the matter rather than the poster. And then add the Greece financial collapse story to this.

India pre-demonetisation, if the banks collapses like it happened in Greece, what will be the situation? We will struggle, businesses will be down, but we will still manage as our economy is not entirely dependent on banking systems. Almost 70% of transactions in India are cash based. So, things won't get out of our hand as happened in Greece.

Post-demonetisation, India becomes cashless economy. People don't carry cash and are fully dependent on the banking systems. Life is easy for those who are up to that change. Economy and banks are more vulnerable to external factors. And at some point if banks collapse (it's possible, right?), what will happen?

Guys, this is not about Modi, Rahul or Kejriwal. It's about you and me. It's us who are going to struggle with this.

And please don't misunderstand, i am not against e-payments and cards. 90% of my personal transactions are e-payments. But i am advocating for a balance between cash and cashless transactions. I think it is very must for the stability of our economy. Imo, the concept of cashless economy is not suitable for a country like India.


I am sorry i asked :(

That guy starts off with Prime Moron. Stopped reading there.

This is about Modi. Let's not even try and play innocent here. Kejriwal the great anti corruption crusader coming up with this step would have had you and others jumping around with joy. Actually i would have been happy as well since i consider it a good step. If many economists, intellectuals like the one you quoted have questioned the move then let's wait and watch.

If we struggle, we struggle, Modi got a majority mandate from the people and the people will / should learn from this and those who did not vote for him or hate him will have to swallow the bitter pill and hope people remember this in 2019 and of course the other 25 odd scams that he pulled off due to him being too powerful.
 
Off-topic. I would love to have the contact less option that the cards in UK have for a certain amount where you just show the card to the reader and within miliseconds the transaction is done. Even self checkouts, but i guess that step will cut jobs across so will be a hindrance.

Not really sure on that. We have Apply/Google/Android pay, but personally I'd rather carry a card.

What's important is the cashless part as it brings those transactions into the banking system where it can be tracked and monitored. Eliminates the cost or printing paper money too.
 
Not really sure on that. We have Apply/Google/Android pay, but personally I'd rather carry a card.

What's important is the cashless part as it brings those transactions into the banking system where it can be tracked and monitored. Eliminates the cost or printing paper money too.

Never been to the US, but am pretty sure this should / would be there as well. A card is required for contact less, it's just that you just touch the card to the machine and the transaction is completed. Currently there's a limit of 30gbp which is quite good.

Above 30gbp you enter the card in to the slot and type in your pin.