India politics thread

Well it is a politicians job to make an ass of the people to win an election and stay in power, so why do we expect anything else ?

People at large aren't concerned with facts and clearly wouldn't go into the details. As far as urban India is concerned whatever modi did was right because in their minds if even 6% black money is affected, atleast he did something whilst others only gave lip service. In urban India modi has won the battle of perception. Facts are irreverent in a democracy.
 
Insanity said:
Another stunt:

'Declare bank account details from Nov 8th' :lol:

Why not 6 or 12 months before then? He is playing the Bhakts like a flute and thinks the rest of the county is foolish too.
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MDFC Manager said:
Is that true? :lol:
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http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pm-a...ce-notes-ban-1631534?pfrom=home-lateststories

Another drama. But surely people will fall for it.

Witchking said:
You need to get out more. Such insanity is not good for your health.
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@Witchking Please educate me with the purpose and the benefits of declaring the BJP lawmaker's account details from November 8th to December 31st. And who is the Judge here? Mr. Amit Shah, BJP party chief, himself (All parliamentarians and state legislators from the ruling BJP will have to share their bank transactions for this period with party chief Amit Shah). If Modi is really serious about this, why he didn't ask to declare the account transaction details for 1 or 2 years? Why just 40 days? And are they stupid enough to deposit their black money in their own account and that too at a time when their party talking big about corruption and black money? Even under normal circumstances, politicians never deposit unaccounted money in their own bank accounts. Unaccounted money are mostly deposited in benami accounts. And why submit to Amit Shah, why not in public domain?

I am really irritated with all these dramas. The people of India are really taken for a ride here. Do they think that all the Citizen's are fools? Why are we going this low to support some corrupt politicians who only care about themselves? It's all chest thumping speeches and fake dramas now. Up to an extend, i can understand the illiterate people falling for his dramas and soap operas. But i am really amazed by the amount of literate people who support these kind of stupid and foolish arguments and cheap tricks by Modi (add the Modi APP survey into this). When i heard the news about the Modi APP survey, i was laughing. And then when i heard people even defending the result of that joke survey, i was really worried about the state of this nation and it's people. The intellectual level on here is so alarming..

My dear friends, i am not asking you to follow any party and i personally is not a member of any party. I am only asking you to use your brains and not to idolize a person. Don't let others to control your emotions. Please don't let anyone, i say ANYONE, to play with your mind. They are making fool of you...
 
Modi is the worst politician ever, guys. Don't fall for anything he says or does. Go by some conspiracies pulled out of ass by internet warriors without much basis and trust them. They are offering a very simple solution after all which is, don't support Modi or vote for him or his party ever. Whom to vote for is question such people will deliberately avoid. When the opposition is as shit as it is, those who dislike Modi can't advocate anyone else to offer alternative. So play a desperate game of attempting with false accusations to show how evil Modi is. Again, be sure not to mention any other party.
 
Lol.. Fanboys getting frustrated that the whole world does not buy the "For the greater good" arguments for every problem people face.
 
Insanity said:
Another stunt:

'Declare bank account details from Nov 8th' :lol:

Why not 6 or 12 months before then? He is playing the Bhakts like a flute and thinks the rest of the county is foolish too.
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Doesn't even make sense. As we have already seen, people are using multiple accounts and people to hoard money. I'm pretty sure the other politicians aren't foolish enough to do everything from their own accounts. And that too have Amit Shah to check them.
 
I really think if Modi gets re elected in 2019, there will be mass depression.

@Hisha

To be honest, i don't care why he asked for whatever he asked for, from whenever he asked for. He played me like a flute already. All i know is, if the people of the country are not happy with the demonization Modi will pay for it in 2019 or the next elections.

He will be out and life goes on. If the people decide to elect him and be happy with his decisions, why are you getting so worked up? Modi doesn't even know that you exist and carry so much proof of his corrupt ways. If he is corrupt he will be caught. If he is good, he will reap benefits. But seriously you need to calm down. No point in venting so much or being so frustrated.
 
Can one of you suggest who should replace the cnut that is Modi?
 
Witchking said:
All i know is, if the people of the country are not happy with the demonization Modi will pay for it in 2019 or the next elections.
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No. Politics is not so straight forward. Demonotisation maybe ineffective, the implementation might be a colossal disaster. But still that doesn't mean it is pure evil. Elections are combination of caste, money and perceptions. A weak opposition is more than enough reason to elect based on the logic "Lesser of two evils"
 
Varun said:
Can one of you suggest who should replace the cnut that is Modi?
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I don't think anyone here has asked for Ra Ga or AK or Mamta to replace Modi. But calling every critic as a "moaner who wants status quo in this country" is what the discussion is all about (with exception of Hisha, who seems to be on some kind of fight)
 
RedDevil@84 said:
No. Politics is not so straight forward. Demonotisation maybe ineffective, the implementation might be a colossal disaster. But still that doesn't mean it is pure evil. Elections are combination of caste, money and perceptions. A weak opposition is more than enough reason to elect based on the logic "Lesser of two evils"
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So? That means that he is the best guy to become the PM again. If the people have decided to get Modi back in power even after being corrupt and he is supposedly the lesser of the two evils according to your theory, you then would get an idea of how worse off the opposition is. If you care enough, then go on and campaign for your favored party and politician who you think will guide India to new heights. It does seem like you care about the country just like me or anyone else.

My hope is to see a rising India and in my opinion (can be wrong or stupid or both according to the lot of you) is that Modi is the right guy to clean up the mess from the past 70 years. If you don't believe in that, don't vote for him.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
I don't think anyone here has asked for Ra Ga or AK or Mamta to replace Modi. But calling every critic as a "moaner who wants status quo in this country" is what the discussion is all about (with exception of Hisha, who seems to be on some kind of fight)
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I don't even read posts that long so I don't really know he's been saying. I asked as there are some who have been very critical of him tight from the off so I think it's fair to ask who the alternative is in their mind.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
I don't think anyone here has asked for Ra Ga or AK or Mamta to replace Modi. But calling every critic as a "moaner who wants status quo in this country" is what the discussion is all about (with exception of Hisha, who seems to be on some kind of fight)
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Who according to you is right to lead the country if not Modi, Kejriwal, Rahul Gandhi or Mamta? Nitish Kumar is the only relevant choice left. Unless you want to go "Nayak" on India.
 
Varun said:
I don't even read posts that long so I don't really know he's been saying. I asked as there are some who have been very critical of him tight from the off so I think it's fair to ask who the alternative is in their mind.
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That is the whole point. Being critical of him or the govt doesn't necessarily mean that people have an alternative or strongly support someone else in the place.
But yes, there is no harm in asking who else?
 
Witchking said:
Who according to you is right to lead the country if not Modi, Kejriwal, Rahul Gandhi or Mamta? Nitish Kumar is the only relevant choice left. Unless you want to go "Nayak" on India.
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I never said that we should impeach him or anything. But his actions, decisions, words are certainly questionable and open to harsh criticism. When he gets praised when things work out, it is only fair he gets criticized when things get screwed up.
 
Witchking said:
So? That means that he is the best guy to become the PM again. If the people have decided to get Modi back in power even after being corrupt and he is supposedly the lesser of the two evils according to your theory, you then would get an idea of how worse off the opposition is. If you care enough, then go on and campaign for your favored party and politician who you think will guide India to new heights. It does seem like you care about the country just like me or anyone else.

My hope is to see a rising India and in my opinion (can be wrong or stupid or both according to the lot of you) is that Modi is the right guy to clean up the mess from the past 70 years. If you don't believe in that, don't vote for him.
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Fair enough if you think he (and MPs under him) will lead India into a new era.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
That is the whole point. Being critical of him or the govt doesn't necessarily mean that people have an alternative or strongly support someone else in the place.
But yes, there is no harm in asking who else?
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It's not the criticism I mind, no one is above it. I find both extremes weird though, be it TMHs unconditional defence or quite a few here who criticise every single move. There's a middle ground to most things and when you see people saying he's just taking the country for a ride etc etc, you expect them to want this man off the position as no sensible person can want our PM to be someone who's taking everyone for a ride. Then, you need an alternative, hence the question.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
I never said that we should impeach him or anything. But his actions, decisions, words are certainly questionable and open to harsh criticism. When he gets praised when things work out, it is only fair he gets criticized when things get screwed up.
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Yes. No one denies the right to critize. 99.9 % of the country including people especially from the US would say that the implementation has been poor. Lots of people affected. But things will improve. 30th December is the date given to clean this up. But my issue is that the step which was to remove the notes was not a brainwave which came at 7PM to Modi and he showed his dictatorship and was live at 8PM. It was discussed within the relevant important members of the government in secrecy.

If the step was deemed as required, we need to go with it and trust the judgement. Questioning the step itself while wanting to curb black money is hypocrisy and shows the hidden agendas openly (not that you have any). The opposition has not allowed the house to function, is that the way of doing things?

This one step won't solve anything, more is required, but if a portion of the population and the opposition is going to play hardball, introducing more measures will be difficult. I am hopeful of more coming in in the future.
 
Good wins in assembly and parliament for BJP in by-elections by retaining own seats and gaining 2 and now back to back big wins in Maharashtra and Gujrat civic polls over last 2 days. Even state like Tripura where BJP is nowhere and which is a left bastion, BJP gained in votes in by-elections.

Usually by-elections don't mean much and favor respective incumbent party in government and same pattern followed here but all these elections have been after demonetization move. We can thus conclude that people are REALLY unhappy with Modi and demonetization move. Not.
 
Coolredwine must be hitting the bottle hard. Poor chap. His patriotic fervour for something that doesn't even affect him is just astonishing to watch.
 
entropy said:
Coolredwine must be hitting the bottle hard. Poor chap.
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It is understandable. He has been depressed and embarrassed from the time his American colleagues went to India and recounted their horrific experiences. I would have been depressed as well. Take care dude.
 
entropy said:
Coolredwine must be hitting the bottle hard. Poor chap. His patriotic fervour for something that doesn't even affect him is just astonishing to watch.
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coming from someone who has been constantly harping about how the country is patient and understanding even when there is only little evidence to suggest that. the wanking to a 56" chest is astonishing to say the least.
 
Don't get the digs at CRW here. Surely people are more sensible than resorting to 'You don't live in India, so why do you care' nonsense?
 
coolredwine said:
coming from someone who has been constantly harping about how the country is patient and understanding even when there is only little evidence to suggest that. the wanking to a 56" chest is astonishing to say the least.
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I said you were selfless in your effort. What's wrong with that?
 
oh no one is saying the implementation couldn't have been better. Jesus just call
it a shit implementation and utterly amateurish with plenty reasons to questions some of the motive behind it. Good intention but there's no harm in calling out how people see it. When and if things are clear and better, we can praise again.
 
The Man Himself said:
Modi is the worst politician ever, guys. Don't fall for anything he says or does. Go by some conspiracies pulled out of ass by internet warriors without much basis and trust them. They are offering a very simple solution after all which is, don't support Modi or vote for him or his party ever. Whom to vote for is question such people will deliberately avoid. When the opposition is as shit as it is, those who dislike Modi can't advocate anyone else to offer alternative. So play a desperate game of attempting with false accusations to show how evil Modi is. Again, be sure not to mention any other party.
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See who is getting pumped up now!!! My dear friend, the simple questions to you today are, Modi called his crAPP survey as Historic. Do you support Modi's claims that 92% people of India supports him and his demonetisation move? Do you believe that 5 lakh people (even that number is to be verified) who voted through a joke APP survey portrays the emotions of a country which has a population of 13000 lakh people? What is your opinion about the Prime Minister of the biggest democracy in the world trying to fool the nation through such cheap tricks?



And, what is your opinion on Modi asking BJP lawmaker's to declare their bank transaction details from Nov 8th to Dec 31st?
a) A commendable step in eradicating black money?
b) Ensures high level of transparency?
c) An example to follow?
d) Better than nothing?
e) Does Pappu and Kejri has the courage to ask the same to their lawmakers?

Which one is your answer?
 
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Hisha said:
See who is getting pumped up now!!! My dear friend, the simple questions to you today are, Modi called his crAPP survey as Historic. Do you support Modi's claims that 92% people of India supports him and his demonetisation move? Do you believe that 5 lakh people (even that number is to be verified) who voted through a joke APP survey portrays the emotions of a country which has a population of 13000 lakh people? What is your opinion about the Prime Minister of the biggest democracy in the world trying to fool the nation through such cheap tricks?



And, what is your opinion on Modi asking BJP lawmaker's to declare their bank transaction details from Nov 8th to Dec 31st?
a) A commendable step in eradicating black money?
b) Ensures high level of transparency?
c) An example to follow?
d) Better than nothing?
e) Does Pappu and Kejri has the courage to ask the same to their lawmakers?

Which one is your answer?
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Why did you not install that crAPP and give your piece of mind? The crAPP is can be installed on non bhakts and non bjp phones too, unless a smiling Modi at the start of the crAPP turns you off.
 
Witchking said:
I really think if Modi gets re elected in 2019, there will be mass depression.

@Hisha

To be honest, i don't care why he asked for whatever he asked for, from whenever he asked for. He played me like a flute already. All i know is, if the people of the country are not happy with the demonization Modi will pay for it in 2019 or the next elections.

He will be out and life goes on. If the people decide to elect him and be happy with his decisions, why are you getting so worked up? Modi doesn't even know that you exist and carry so much proof of his corrupt ways. If he is corrupt he will be caught. If he is good, he will reap benefits. But seriously you need to calm down. No point in venting so much or being so frustrated.
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I will just copy and paste @RedDevil@84 's reply.

Demonotisation maybe ineffective, the implementation might be a colossal disaster. But still that doesn't mean it will be a decisive factor in the coming election. Elections are combination of caste, money and perceptions. And the most important thing is that people have short memory, and next election is 2019 only. A weak opposition is more than enough reason to elect based on the logic "Lesser of two evils". And crediting a mere 10,000 or 15,000 rupees into the Jan Dhan accounts just before elections could do wonders, especially in the states like UP, Bihar, WB, Odisha, Haryana, etc.

I am not angry, rather i am very sad because even @21st century, people are getting conned by these politicians. Even the highly educated people are blindly supporting these kind of stupidity. That's not a good thing for the nation as whole..
 
Hisha said:
See who is getting pumped up now!!! My dear friend, the simple questions to you today are, Modi called his crAPP survey as Historic. Do you support Modi's claims that 92% people of India supports him and his demonetisation move? Do you believe that 5 lakh people (even that number is to be verified) who voted through a joke APP survey portrays the emotions of a country which has a population of 1300 lakh people? What is your opinion about the Prime Minister of the biggest democracy in the world trying to fool the nation through such cheap tricks?



And, what is your opinion on Modi asking BJP lawmaker's to declare their bank transaction details from Nov 8th to Dec 31st?
a) A commendable step in eradicating black money?
b) Ensures high level of transparency?
c) An example to follow?
d) Better than nothing?
e) Does Pappu and Kejri has the courage to ask the same to their lawmakers?

Which one is your answer?
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I didn't care about survey of Modi's app. There were couple of independent survey as well with more than 80% approving but even that wasn't something I wanted to dissect a lot. Overall it was a good move with good intent and that's what matters to me. I don't form my opinion based on what clowns at EPW or wire or catch news post so I don't care about the fake tears of desperation hiding behind calling move 'anti-poor' or the unsubstantiated scam claims. A huge proportion of people are certainly not angry with move which is clear based on recent elections. In long run this move is not going to have positive or negative impact on election anyway but recent elections show that majority are surely not angry.

Your intellectual level however is quite apparent with the 'crAPP' thing as is with your other posts so it is quite funny to see you going in conspiracy mode and being so flustered.

Those who want to believe his app's figures will, those who don't want to can ignore. If you are so desperate go ask for detail of each of 5 lakh survey response. Or conduct your own survey. Make sure to share it between wire and epw's subscribers only though as you will want it 'unbiased.'
Btw 5lakh is good enough sample for a population of 13000 lakh. You have opportunity to be smarter than Modi to make sure those 5lakh are covering all stratas. Do it!

On bank details Again, BJP asking it's lawmakers to disclose transaction is party's internal matter and hence for submission to party chief. If you are again too desperate about it and argue that because they are public servants public should know, somebody from public(you) need to go file an RTI and ask bank details of all of those lawmakers for last 2.5 years.
 
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Witchking said:
Why did you not install that crAPP and give your piece of mind? The crAPP is can be installed on non bhakts and non bjp phones too, unless a smiling Modi at the start of the crAPP turns you off.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Have you even seen the options on that app?

Inb4 why would someone living outside bother to install the app?
 
Hisha said:
I will just copy and paste @RedDevil@84 's reply.

Demonotisation maybe ineffective, the implementation might be a colossal disaster. But still that doesn't mean it will be a decisive factor in the coming election. Elections are combination of caste, money and perceptions. And the most important thing is that people have short memory, and next election is 2019 only. A weak opposition is more than enough reason to elect based on the logic "Lesser of two evils". And crediting a mere 10,000 or 15,000 rupees into the Jan Dhan accounts just before elections could do wonders, especially in the states like UP, Bihar, WB, Odisha, Haryana, etc.

I am not angry, rather i am very sad because even @21st century, people are getting conned by these politicians. Even the highly educated people are blindly supporting these kind of stupidity. That's not a good thing for the nation as whole..
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Must be infuriating for you select 1% of the elite population who have figured Modi and his scams. I hope you get someone you deserve soon. Plus from the way i post, it's clear that i am not highly educated so i guess i can continue (with a clean conscience) hope with a that Modi continues to reform the country.

I am sure you would make a very good script writer. Maybe you ought to think about channeling your anger and earn some money off it.
 
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