The idea that part of supporting a team is coveting players off other teams is quite new. Yes we have always loved new additions, and always will, but the panic from the lack of new additions is quite new and hugely disproportionate. Maybe it's just because it's the off season and it fills a void, but it's like filling a void with a void and that void is filled with fabrications. It's all quite odd to me.
(I'm actually not) Blaming Moyes for transfers
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
The idea that part of supporting a team is coveting players off other teams is quite new. Yes we have always loved new additions, and always will, but the panic from the lack of new additions is quite new and hugely disproportionate. Maybe it's just because it's the off season and it fills a void, but it's like filling a void with a void and that void is filled with fabrications. It's all quite odd to me.
Fair enough. I'm personally not convinced that he isn't allowed to work from his own list as opposed to Fergie's.
For a start, Fergie's list probably didn't have any midfielders on it.
Well I blame him if what the Guardian said is true, that we didn't go for Thiago because he didnt think he was good enough..
And how is that different from anything I've said?
Yea that sounds fair. It's just a general tone I've observed really, seems only idiots ever want additions because our team (of on going additions!) wins trophies.
So we 'blame' people who are in the middle of their work?
No, your problem is the idea of people blaming David Moyes before the window is finished, as you've said repeatedly. Don't go moving the goalposts about now just because you - like so many others - read what you want to read and then had it pointed out to you that you've got the wrong end of the stick.
See?
People like new signings because they get excited by the idea of new players and how they'll fit into the team. It's about the buzz. It's what makes spending so much time reading about transfers worthwhile.
I see that as an entirely separate issue to people wanting us to solve the midfield problem and continue strengthening the side.
I'm not hasslling anyone wrongly. At no point have I told Brwned he is right or wrong. If you could read instead of reacting you'd realise that.
I'm merely pointing out they have invented a theory about the inner workings of the club and titled a thread in a deliberately provocative manner. Last time I looked this was a discussion forum. Folks post. Folks reply. If my perfectly legitimate challenge to they OP is 'hassle' then, wow. Just wow.
Eh. no.
Good luck with finding out the truth.
If I could read? Sweet baby Jesus.
You were spouting about him laying blame when he was doing the opposite.
there's a few more like that and then this beauty
I just don't see how he could have a list when the players he was scouting for Everton aren't relevant to the ones he'll want to scout for United, and he's simply not had time to scout his own players for us.
He might well have been looking at midfielders in a class above - like Thiago and Fábregas - and decided that it's them or nothing, but we do know he was looking to add players there too.
None of that suggests I have jumped to Moyes defence.
For the last time, in simple English for you and Moses:
1. I'm embarassed by the title of your thread
2. You have invented a theory about the inner workings of the clubs transfer policies
3. The core topic - blame - is completely ridiculous given we are mid-window - how can we 'blame' anyone for anything?
Clear? You've gone to great lengths to try and push back on all of these points but perhaps that is because the whole opening thrust of this thread is to say the very least, flawed.
And the flipping thread is about blame!!!! You Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
This is only going to end badly for one poster.
I vote we rename moses to mongses.
Agreed, Moses is bang out of order...
Yup, terrible from Brwned by all accounts.
Well that further strengthens the notion that transfer forum residents are clowns (and likely teenagers) who know little about the game, wheras the United forum gang, for want of a better expression, are the ones who are concerned with the needs of the team.
Personally, whilst I agree it is exciting to sign quality players, I think most of the talk and hypothetical formations have been about how we can improve the midfield, and perhaps potentially replace Rooney.
I also think we all, probably yourself included, get excited at the prospect of quality additions. My guess is you didn't just shrug your shoulders and move on when we got Persie, despite the informed concensus being 'we don't need a striker'.
Can someone help Rory?
He's a football man. It would not suprise me if he had great knowledge of the world's best midfielders.
Worth remembering that even as an Everton coach, he probably regularly watched the best for tactical analysis etc. Look how many mini Barcelonas are out there now. I'm sure Martinez, Rogers and Laudrup studied Barca in great depth, even if the plan was to implement with far lesser players.
Eddie Woodward has to take fair share of the blame for this summer transfer disaster, i could be wrong but Moyes would identify the player and pass onto Eddie to do the deal, so for me he is responsible for Cesc public bid and the recent Fellaini/Baines bids.
Also, telling the whole world that he was flying back to the UK for urgent transfer business was nothing short of a PR disaster....why would you publicise that unless you knew the deal was for a top top player and we were on the verge of signing him, with nothing coming out of it this made Eddie/Moyes look naive and foolish.
Also, telling the whole world that he was flying back to the UK for urgent transfer business was nothing short of a PR disaster....why would you publicise that unless you knew the deal was for a top top player and we were on the verge of signing him, with nothing coming out of it this made Eddie/Moyes look naive and foolish.
Agreed, but United is a special case, I'm not a full handover was possible. Which as Brwned says, was possibly why Moyes was chosen.
Absolutely impossible as usual to know what's going on, who's deciding what and what our policy is. Despite that, I think it's fair to say that the previous regime is responsible for our midfield situation.
The one problem is that we seem to have a very small list of possibilities, mostly related to the PL - either in the present or the past. Hard to actually blame Moyes for it. He needs to look at players he's buying and he's been looking at a different standard of player for years and years. He can't suddenly scout and follow players he hasn't before, and decide to sign him or them within months, especially as they haven't played at all for most of that time. It's a learning curve and we have to accept it will take a bit of time until he's fully clued up regarding players fitting the top level, the ones who can make the step up at United as others have done before. Until then he seems to be going with what he knows. It's definitely been a problem and has played a big part in our struggle this summer. Hopefully, a temporary one.
Is our struggle this summer not like our struggle in other summers though?
The only difference I can see was the public pursuit of Fabregas.
Why would you use the word blame in the title of the thread if you do not blame someone for something? Isnt that forbidden?
Am I allowed to blame Woodward? He seems like a bit of a tool.
The title was the subject, and was neutral, his actual opinion was in the smaller words underneath. I think that's allowed.
I've got a feeling Blame might be the word of September!
Brilliant. I step away for half an hour and thread has really taken off!! Lol.
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