If given a choice....

Depends who the midfielder is. I'd like Ronnie back, but really I'd prefer for us to move forwards with new players. I'd take Wilshere over Ronaldo, for example.

Not sure about Bale. He'd be amazing here, but I don't know if I like the idea of us simply buying the best player in the league every season. That's City/Chelsea territory.
 
Summit said:
Ronaldo every day of the week for me.

Ronaldo = Goals (and a lot of them too)

Goals win games

Games won = trophies.
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There's very few games this season where we've looked short on firepower though, whereas we've consistently lacked midfield dominance.
 
Wouldn't be surprised if Fergie audaciously brings Ronaldo back and signs a pretty good midfielder.
 
Raoul said:
Wouldn't be surprised if Fergie audaciously brings Ronaldo back and signs a pretty good midfielder.
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Well if the rumours are true, and outside parties will be financing the Ronaldo deal, then there is no reason why we couldn't I suppose.
 
Freak said:
Do you really think we need midfield dominance if we've got Ronaldo, RVP, Rooney, Nani, Kagawa etc up front? All we need is Carrick and a defence which we have.
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Absolutely yes, adding up talented attacking players has almost no link to controlling matches through midfield play.
 
:lol:
Brightonian said:
Depends who the midfielder is. I'd like Ronnie back, but really I'd prefer for us to move forwards with new players. I'd take Wilshere over Ronaldo, for example.
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:wenger:

That's incredible.

You'd prefer a guy who's played about 1 1/2full seasons over the best player this league has ever seen, who is still at 28 in his absolute pomp?

You must be some kind of mentalist.
Probably one of those who thought VP would be a bad idea.
 
The fact that the people who are picking Ronaldo here also think that it's a legitimate possibility that Ronaldo might indeed come back to United (this Summer or the next one) makes me almost sure that their opinions have more to do with emotions than logic.
 
kouroux said:
Absolutely yes, adding up talented attacking players has almost no link to controlling matches through midfield play.
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I have it all planned out.

-----------RVP-----Rooney-----------
Ronaldo------Kagawa--------Valencia
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------------Carrick------------------
Evra-------Rio-----Vidic-------Rafa

Screw balance. With Evra and Rafael pushing up during attacking moves, we build from Carrick to the wings to Kagawa to RVP/Rooney/Ronaldo..Goal! Sua'Gols! And I mean seriously, does anyone expect any player to go past the Rio/Vidic combination?
 
Reading this thread makes me feel a lot better; people always tell me I'm obsessed with Ronaldo, but I've got nothing on you guys! Thanks. :lol:
 
Brightonian said:
Depends who the midfielder is. I'd like Ronnie back, but really I'd prefer for us to move forwards with new players. I'd take Wilshere over Ronaldo, for example.

Not sure about Bale. He'd be amazing here, but I don't know if I like the idea of us simply buying the best player in the league every season. That's City/Chelsea territory.
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Is, once again, correct.

The short-termism of modern football fans is staggering to be honest. We don't desperately need a Ronaldo, but we do desperately need a Wilshere. The reason we're coming short in games is not because of squandered chances, it's because we're not dominating games like we should be, and that's ultimately down to how weak we are in midfield. I think adding a top-class central midfielder to our team would be more beneficial to us than having a 'one-dimensional' Ronaldo (who's main weapon has been pace, which will begin to desert him soon), and certainly in the long-term.
 
nahealai said:
Is, once again, correct.

The short-termism of modern football fans is staggering to be honest. We don't desperately need a Ronaldo, but we do desperately need a Wilshere. The reason we're coming short in games is not because of squandered chances, it's because we're not dominating games like we should be, and that's ultimately down to how weak we are in midfield. I think adding a top-class central midfielder to our team would be more beneficial to us than having a 'one-dimensional' Ronaldo (who's main weapon has been pace, which will begin to desert him soon), and certainly in the long-term.
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Is, once again, retarded.

I guess our manager's into his short-termism also considering he signed RvP and didn't give a bollocks about Wilshere.

I think SAF would agree with me in saying that you'd have to be an absolute fecking Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime to choose Jack Wilshere over the world's (2nd) best footballer Cristiano Ronaldo.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Is, once again, retarded.

I guess our manager's into his short-termism also considering he signed RvP and didn't give a bollocks about Wilshere.

I think SAF would agree with me in saying that you'd have to be an absolute fecking Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime to choose Jack Wilshere over the world's (2nd) best footballer Cristiano Ronaldo.
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Do you ever actually read the posts you reply to? Did you read mine? I'm not saying Wilshere's better, obviously, just that buying him would better reflect the sort of transfer strategy I'd like to see from us. As in, buying one of the most promising talents in the country in a position where we have been weak for a long time, as opposed to just buying the best players in the world, regardless of age and position, until we win things.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Yeah I read it, understood entirely, and still think it's retarded.
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Interesting. Because this

you'd have to be an absolute fecking Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime to choose Jack Wilshere over the world's (2nd) best footballer Cristiano Ronaldo
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suggests that you've missed the point entirely. You're just comparing them based on who is the better player and who is going to immediately win things for the club. Which is fair enough if you're a City fan.

But maybe we're not going far enough - why feck around with Ronaldo when we should be trying to get Messi instead? Or maybe both?
 
Sandikan said:
That's incredible.

You'd prefer a guy who's played about 1 1/2full seasons over the best player this league has ever seen, who is still at 28 in his absolute pomp?

You must be some kind of mentalist.
Probably one of those who thought VP would be a bad idea.
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I agree with him and the key for me is moving on. Ronaldo was here once and wanted out and then spent the prime of his career at another club, I don't care how good he is still I'd rather see us sign someone else.

Anyway, Wilshere would solve our midfield problems for the next decade, Ronaldo will add goals to a team that doesn't actually need goals for a few years.

Do we really think we can fit Ronaldo, Rooney, and RvP in to one team anyway? We are already finding it difficult to build a good lineup with both RvP and Rooney.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Is, once again, retarded.

I guess our manager's into his short-termism also considering he signed RvP and didn't give a bollocks about Wilshere.
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He didn't give a bollocks about Wilshere? Hasn't he already said he thinks he's a terrific talent? Just because we didn't buy him doesn't mean we're not interested in him, it means van Persie was available and he wasn't. It wasn't his short-termism it was your black-and-white view on things, and you took that view for the sole reason of calling someone a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime. Nice one.

Freak said:
Do you really think we need midfield dominance if we've got Ronaldo, RVP, Rooney, Nani, Kagawa etc up front? All we need is Carrick and a defence which we have.
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I don't think we need it but when you're talking about spending £40m+ you're looking at the area where you can improve the team the most. Kagawa, Rooney, Nani and van Persie are all worse than Ronaldo but none of them are worse to the extent that Cleverley/Anderson/Fletcher/Scholes/Giggs are worse than Fábregas, IMO. So I'd prefer to go for the midfielder because it'd improve our team more.

Either way I think it'd make us pretty unstoppable but that's not really the point. No-one's saying they wouldn't love to have Ronaldo. No-one's saying he wouldn't significantly improve our chance to win titles. They're just saying that a top class midfielder with an extra 5+ years left at his peak would do the same while getting rid of the one weak point in our side.

Getting as many of the world's best attacking players as possible in one team while ignoring everything else is the kind of thinking that saw the Galacticos underachieve. It's something the fans love to dream about but it's not quite as mouthwatering in practice once you get past the allures of the big names. We bring Ronaldo back here and he takes every free kick from within 50 yards, he scores about two a season and fecks up the rest, van Persie gets pissed off because he knows that a few of his in-swingers would've created more goals, the individualism in the team starts to grind away at that team mentality and work ethic that's been so crucial to our constant league success....:drool::drool::drool:
 
I still can't understand why United fans want Wilshere. It's just depressing that supporters(United ones especially) would just like to buy up the competition and add them to their team meaning they're unbeatable. RVP was bad enough for the game, Wilshere would turn it into a joke.
 
We like to see our team play good football. Good players help us do that.
 
alastair said:
I still can't understand why United fans want Wilshere. It's just depressing that supporters(United ones especially) would just like to buy up the competition and add them to their team meaning they're unbeatable. RVP was bad enough for the game, Wilshere would turn it into a joke.
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He's one of the best young midfielders in the world, why wouldn't we want to buy him? That just doesn't make any sense.
 
alastair said:
I still can't understand why United fans want Wilshere. It's just depressing that supporters(United ones especially) would just like to buy up the competition and add them to their team meaning they're unbeatable. RVP was bad enough for the game, Wilshere would turn it into a joke.
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We've always built our sides sensibly with a mixture of internal promotion and buying up quality players from other sides. You make us sound like Chelsea on a mad spending spree!
 
So that's the secret to Arsenal and Wenger then, not buying good players so that "the game" doesn't become unfair. All makes sense now.
 
Brwned said:
I don't think we need it but when you're talking about spending £40m+ you're looking at the area where you can improve the team the most. Kagawa, Rooney, Nani and van Persie are all worse than Ronaldo but none of them are worse to the extent that Cleverley/Anderson/Fletcher/Scholes/Giggs are worse than Fábregas, IMO. So I'd prefer to go for the midfielder because it'd improve our team more.

Either way I think it'd make us pretty unstoppable but that's not really the point. No-one's saying they wouldn't love to have Ronaldo. No-one's saying he wouldn't significantly improve our chance to win titles. They're just saying that a top class midfielder with an extra 5+ years left at his peak would do the same while getting rid of the one weak point in our side.

Getting as many of the world's best attacking players as possible in one team while ignoring everything else is the kind of thinking that saw the Galacticos underachieve. It's something the fans love to dream about but it's not quite as mouthwatering in practice once you get past the allures of the big names. We bring Ronaldo back here and he takes every free kick from within 50 yards, he scores about two a season and fecks up the rest, van Persie gets pissed off because he knows that a few of his in-swingers would've created more goals, the individualism in the team starts to grind away at that team mentality and work ethic that's been so crucial to our constant league success....:drool::drool::drool:
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I have to agree. It doesn't really matter how many WC attacking players you have if we don't have the midfield to give them regular service.

Last time we had Ronaldo, he was completely anonymous in all of the CL finals we played in after the first 20mins. That wasn't really his fault, more due imo to our midfield being dominated and like our other attackers he simply didn't get the ball in areas where he could hurt the opponent often enough.

I really don't see what has changed in our style since that time, that would now enable Ronaldo to have more of an impact against the likes of Barca, Dortmund or Bayern in the CL. I concede he would help us get further than we have managed in the past 2 seasons, but as for winning it i just don't see how yet more firepower in front of the same midfield pairing would improve our chances so significantly.

Saying that i would still take CR in a heartbeat, but i agree with those who think we should be looking to improve the one area of our team where we are undoubtedly weaker than many of our European rivals.
 
alastair said:
I want to see Arsenal play good football. I don't want to see us do it by signing half your team and leaving you to fight for 9th.
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We've signed one of your players. We've hardly pillaged and raped you!

Do you seriously worry that we'll ever get our hands on Wilshere? I personally don't see it. Think he'll give you his best years.
 
alastair :lol::lol::lol::lol:

I usually think you're a good poster but stop with this bollocks.
 
:lol:

All I'm saying is that I don't particularly like big clubs buying other big clubs' players.

Needless to say, Jack's dealer is down in London so I imagine he won't be moving for a while.

Can I get sued for that?
 
alastair said:
:lol:

All I'm saying is that I don't particularly like big clubs buying other big clubs' players.

Needless to say, Jack's dealer is down in London so I imagine he won't be moving for a while.

Can I get sued for that?
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Fair enough, I wouldn't call it depressing though. You're also not really on the City/United/Chelsea levels at the moment either and I can never see those three clubs transferring their best players to one another.
 
alastair said:
I want to see Arsenal play good football. I don't want to see us do it by signing half your team and leaving you to fight for 9th.
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Ideally Powell's going to be the next Scholes and we'll have no need for young Jack, but if we did happen to steal him off you I wouldn't be shedding any tears for Arsenal. Madrid took Ruud and Ronaldo off of us within 3 years and you didn't hear anything from us lot about the big, bad Spanish giants ruining the competitiveness of European football. It's just the way the world works. There's a lot of bigger things to worry about in terms of monopolisation of resources than United taking a couple of players from a team that seems content in staying where they are.
 
alastair said:
:lol:

All I'm saying is that I don't particularly like big clubs buying other big clubs' players.

Needless to say, Jack's dealer is down in London so I imagine he won't be moving for a while.

Can I get sued for that?
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This happens a lot across different leagues and in Italy and Spain it seems to be fairly common for players to switch between the big teams. Less so in Spain but you still see it slightly more than in England.

But again, our only example is RvP, we are nowhere near City or Chelsea levels.
 
Brightonian said:
Interesting. Because this... suggests that you've missed the point entirely. You're just comparing them based on who is the better player and who is going to immediately win things for the club. Which is fair enough if you're a City fan.

But maybe we're not going far enough - why feck around with Ronaldo when we should be trying to get Messi instead? Or maybe both?
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Despite your waffling I can assure you that I quite understood the point; but nevertheless find that, if given the choice, opting for Jack Wilshere over Cristiano Ronaldo would be retarded.

One looks as if he's got potential to be a quality CM whilst the other is the best player in the world behind Lionel Messi; I don't see how you have to be a City fan to recognise that gambling on a 20yo midfielder in leu of signing one of the best players to ever have played the sport would be a mongish decision.

Perhaps Wilshere will one day become a world class player, but likewise perhaps he won't. There are far fewer cases of such players living up to their potential than not.

As for Messi; he's not a United legend who loves the club and wants to come home, but feck, if the choice was between him and Jack Wilshere it's another fecking no-brainer. If that makes me a City fan then Jesus, up the blues!
 
alastair said:
:lol:

All I'm saying is that I don't particularly like big clubs buying other big clubs' players.

Needless to say, Jack's dealer is down in London so I imagine he won't be moving for a while.

Can I get sued for that?
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Manchester has the best dealers in the world.;)
 
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