But football is more about goals, Messi could've had an amazing game against Germany but Argentina would've still lost.
In cricket the only output for an amazing performance is runs and 2 good innings from Tendulkar will usually mean 300+ scores.
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But football is more about goals, Messi could've had an amazing game against Germany but Argentina would've still lost.
In cricket the only output for an amazing performance is runs and 2 good innings from Tendulkar will usually mean 300+ scores.
And you conveniently ignored crappy's second sentence.
Two good innings from Sachin this WC and we have 1 point(barely came up with that 1) to show for it. Enough of an argument against your opinion.
I didn't ignore it, he edited his post.
Yeah but it's still the group stages. And if he scores centuries in the quarters/semi and final and India still lose then ill concede my point.
In other news, the Indi commandos have been renamed and will be called the Kochi Tuskers Kerala.
wtf?
IPL 2011: Koch team to be called 'Kochi Tuskers Kerala' | Cricket News | Indian Premier League 2011 | ESPN Cricinfo
wtf?
IPL 2011: Koch team to be called 'Kochi Tuskers Kerala' | Cricket News | Indian Premier League 2011 | ESPN Cricinfo
You really can't equate football and cricket. Apples and oranges.
Footballers have 90 minutes to make a mark on the game and only need one inspired moment to win a game. A batsman needs to produce and concentrate for hours and just one good ball can be their undoing. Someone above made a very good comment stating bowlers can dictate a cricket result more than batsmen.
Footballers have 90 minutes to make a mark on the game and only need one inspired moment to win a game. A batsman needs to produce and concentrate for hours and just one good ball can be their undoing. Someone above made a very good comment stating bowlers can dictate a cricket result more than batsmen.
In other news, the Indi commandos have been renamed and will be called the Kochi Tuskers Kerala.
wtf?
IPL 2011: Koch team to be called 'Kochi Tuskers Kerala' | Cricket News | Indian Premier League 2011 | ESPN Cricinfo
Kochin Tuskers rhyme better.
Poor scheduling, should have had better games on a Sunday.
Fantastic batting from Obuya, will be disappointed not to get the century but some very good shots in his innings & a great effort from Kenya to bat out the overs. Comfortable win for Australia but the bowling was poor apart from Lee. I'm not sure about the Aussie spinners, Smith never seems to impress and I don't understand the hype around him.
Shame that...really wanted him to get that century 
To be honest the rest of us don't really rate a man by what he does when he's 37 after he's spent the best part of 20 years being the best batsman in the world. This is his signoff (in most ways). Would be pure magic to have a sign off in style and leave his signature in the history of games one more time, but fecking hell, it's all just a bonus and has been for awhile now.
And his record in the world cups is staggering, with a team that has never been very good.
Simply the best
Anyways I reckon we should all just agree to disagree. These conversations don't really go anywhere.
I don't want to get into the Tendulkar debate...but the way some are going on, it's like Tendulkar played most of his career with the Bangladeshi national team.
India until recently were shit away from home in the longer version of the game, and also had a reputation for reaching ODI finals, but then losing....
Not sure why some are trying to turn India into an associate country to prop up Tendulkars record. His record is what it is...it speaks for itself, he is one of the top 5 players to have ever played the game.
It's like
Sehwag(since 99)
Dravid(since 96)
Laxman(since 96)
Ganguly(since 96)
Azharuddin(until 2000)
Kumble(from 1990)
Jadeja(till 2000)
never existed. Those are just off the top of my head...there have obviously been many more, Srinath was a good ODI bowler, took wickets, and kept things tight, obviously Harbhajan has also been a part of the team for the past decade...and so on.
All these players overlapped more than half his career.
India in his time have been no worse than a middling team at any stage.
India until recently were shit away from home in the longer version of the game, and also had a reputation for reaching ODI finals, but then losing....
Not sure why some are trying to turn India into an associate country to prop up Tendulkars record. His record is what it is...it speaks for itself, he is one of the top 5 players to have ever played the game.
It's like
Sehwag(since 99)
Dravid(since 96)
Laxman(since 96)
Ganguly(since 96)
Azharuddin(until 2000)
Kumble(from 1990)
Jadeja(till 2000)
never existed. Those are just off the top of my head...there have obviously been many more, Srinath was a good ODI bowler, took wickets, and kept things tight, obviously Harbhajan has also been a part of the team for the past decade...and so on.
All these players overlapped more than half his career.
India in his time have been no worse than a middling team at any stage.
Noone is making that claim though. But to be world champions you have to be a little better than Bangladesh, with all due respect.
For all the talk about our batting line up for the best part of his career it almost always ended up being about Sachin, Sachin and Sachin. As soon as he got out the rest would panic like little school girls. It was embarrassing.
In fact I'd suggest that the ridiculous over reliance on him ended about the same time he started struggling with injuries including his elbow only for him to put all the injuries behind him and return to the top of the world once again.
I'll give you an example. Sachin hit an amazing amazing hundred against Pakistan in India (Banglore I think). It was an incredible piece of batting. He got out with some 17 runs to go and still 3 or so wickets in hand (as far as I can remember). And we bottled it.
On the other hand a few days back Kevil O Brien played a brilliant knock against England and got out with a little further to go (further than the above guys did). But they rallied behind his innings and made sure his hard work didn't go in vain.
I'm not for one second suggesting we had no talent. We'll ALWAYS had batting talent. But it's not really about talent. It's about delivering. Only Dravid and at times Ganguly really stood up when needed but the latter had this clear and obvious weaknesses.
2003 was the one for me. He was almost invincible that tournament. Everyone has a right time, and despite his great record in WC's that was the one he could have won it for us. But then Zaheer and co. ruined all the good work and got taken to the cleaners and it was all over. Shame it ended that way, but more for India. Sachin had done all a man could do.
For all the talk about our batting line up for the best part of his career it almost always ended up being about Sachin, Sachin and Sachin. As soon as he got out the rest would panic like little school girls. It was embarrassing.
In fact I'd suggest that the ridiculous over reliance on him ended about the same time he started struggling with injuries including his elbow only for him to put all the injuries behind him and return to the top of the world once again.
I'll give you an example. Sachin hit an amazing amazing hundred against Pakistan in India (Banglore I think). It was an incredible piece of batting. He got out with some 17 runs to go and still 3 or so wickets in hand (as far as I can remember). And we bottled it.
On the other hand a few days back Kevil O Brien played a brilliant knock against England and got out with a little further to go (further than the above guys did). But they rallied behind his innings and made sure his hard work didn't go in vain.
I'm not for one second suggesting we had no talent. We'll ALWAYS had batting talent. But it's not really about talent. It's about delivering. Only Dravid and at times Ganguly really stood up when needed but the latter had this clear and obvious weaknesses.
2003 was the one for me. He was almost invincible that tournament. Everyone has a right time, and despite his great record in WC's that was the one he could have won it for us. But then Zaheer and co. ruined all the good work and got taken to the cleaners and it was all over. Shame it ended that way, but more for India. Sachin had done all a man could do.
Exactly,good post. India have been in the top 4 sides in ODI cricket for the majority of Sachin's career.
And I've never denied he's not in the top 5, it's whether he's no. 1 and I think that's very much open for debate, whatever the fanboys say. A world cup win would end that debate IMO.
Look at the 83 world cup win, look at ALL of Australia's last 3 world cups wins, look at SL's win in 96. Those were TEAMS worthy of winning the cup with a few shining lights that shone brighter.
Also a lot has to be said about the right MENTALITY. Today for all that we lack in bowling we play cricket hard. Ganguly and Sachin always played it hard but in general we were a bunch of pansies who never wanted to get their hands dirty and stand up. Vinod fecking Kambli crying his sorry eyes off after a semi final defeat, that's not a team of champions. You win by playing like men and today at least the Indian team does that and gives as good as it gets.
That's what wins world cups, a good TEAM and the right MENTALITY. Not one man. That one man has done more than enough. For me anyways. Everyone else is entitled to their own opinions. But growing up this guy carried ALL the hopes of a nation and did it brilliantly. There will never be another
Also a lot has to be said about the right MENTALITY. Today for all that we lack in bowling we play cricket hard. Ganguly and Sachin always played it hard but in general we were a bunch of pansies who never wanted to get their hands dirty and stand up. Vinod fecking Kambli crying his sorry eyes off after a semi final defeat, that's not a team of champions. You win by playing like men and today at least the Indian team does that and gives as good as it gets.
That's what wins world cups, a good TEAM and the right MENTALITY. Not one man. That one man has done more than enough. For me anyways. Everyone else is entitled to their own opinions. But growing up this guy carried ALL the hopes of a nation and did it brilliantly. There will never be another
Zing was right. You're a shite poster.
You clearly can't make your point without a little snide comment. Noone is forcing their opinion on you.
A world cup win would convince YOU. Some of us are well convinced.
And it is always open for debate. Even if he wins it, I'm not going to condemn someone else who believes otherwise.
As if you knew any of that. You just waited for someone who knew what he was talking about to turn up and +1ed it. Otherwise you'd have just spouted some random crap and come back 3 month later to do the same thing in some other thread.Don't know why anybody is replying to Psmith, he is just a shite poster who keeps sprouting his rubbish without making a good point. His pointless posts have turned this into a Sachin Tendulkar thread.
To be honest, you either don't know what you are talking about or are driving a very hard agenda.
There is simply no doubt that Sachin Tendulkar is the best batsman ever in ODI history, the best batsman in all forms of the game in the 'the modern era' (by modern era I mean since about 1980) and in my opinion, the best batsman ever (I never saw Bradman play so just cant make that comparison).
And Im neither Indian, a fan of Indian cricket or indeed a fan of Sachin Tendulkar.
True. Problem is noones really forcing their opinions on him. Best to ignore I guess.
All I've said Tendulkar needs to win the WC to be considered the greatest and look at the reaction I get. And you wonder why I call some of you fanboys...
I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone, but you ask anyone outside India and there's still very much a debate to be had about whether Tendulkar is the greatest.
I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone, but you ask anyone outside India and there's still very much a debate to be had about whether Tendulkar is the greatest.
Psmith, don't let them wind you up, mate.
No chance, I'm just scared i might be winding them up too much. Zing might be preparing my effigy for burning as we speak.
Er you got that reaction because you did that.
Why would I care what people outside India think?
I don't care what you think either.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as they don't resort to name calling. Try and do that.
I've met Psmith
He had George Cross tattooed on both his arms.
Must be a BNP fan...
He had George Cross tattooed on both his arms.
Must be a BNP fan...
Fair enough, mate. For what it's worth....you clearly know your onions, unlike say....Amol.
I've met Spoony
He had Psmith tattooed on both his arms.
Must be a Psmith fan...
He had Psmith tattooed on both his arms.
Must be a Psmith fan...
amol doesn't care what you think Spoons, as you're not in India.
Smithy come out with your agenda mate
I've been to Southall, though!
I'm watching Hatrick
A film about a couple of obsessed cricket fans.
A film about a couple of obsessed cricket fans.
Slightly narrowminded don't you think?
Anyway fanboys was more referring to zing and KM...
Nothing wrong with being a fanboy anyways especially for a player like tendulkar. I'd happily admit to being a Scholes fanboy, for instance.
I'm tempted to add Lara > Tendulkar to that collection now.
I'm tempted to add Lara > Tendulkar to that collection now.
That would be wrong.
Strauss > Sachin for an Englander
Feel sorry for the Dutch. Four run-outs in an innings is diabolical. This is not how I wanted to win this game
You are just talking a lot of rubbish though.
It is not an individual sports where it is necessary for Sachin to win so and so Grand Slam.
He has already proven himself at the WCs.
96 WC- highest scorer of the WC, by far India's best player. Played crucial knocks in all the big matches bar the Pakistan QF one. Got no support from the batting line up as highlighted by the diabolical collapse in the semi.
2003 WC- highest scorer and player of the series. Failed in the WC final but so did the great Viv Richards in his first final. In fact he had a very poor WC in 75.
I do not care if you think Sachin is not the best batsmen ever or is even inferior to Lara. But your logic is just completely flawed as far as Sachin needs the WC win thing goes. If anything only valid criticism against Sachin is that he can not boast of one or two virtuoso 4th innings in a test match ala Lara or Laxman.
Didn't Sachin recently see us home in a test match? I think he did.
Sehwag only started going by 2001... and even then he has always been inconsistent and never put under the same pressure as Sachin to deliver in next to every match.
Azhar... great player on his day but he was very much part of the set up which had opposition captains like Ranatunga saying in public that they think match against India is half won when they get Sachin's wicket. Include Jadeja in that set up as well.
Kumble is a bowler and was horrendous in foreign pitches till later part of his career. Before Dravid got going, Sachin was more or less the only Indian player who performed consistently outside India.
Laxman took a long long time to get going. He only cemented his place in the Indian team, after that double against Aussies in Kolkata. In the first test of the same series, he was playing like a tail ender with Sachin, when the latter provided only resistance to Aussies in both innings of that match.
Ganguly was a great ODI player and definitely provided great support to Sachin when he moved up as an opener (late 97).
Same goes for Dravid with tests.. at his peak he was a more reliable test player for us than Sachin. But he hit that only after 99-2000 as well.
Big start for the dutch. Tamim gone.
Saffers...only bowling attack to take 40 wickets, ie, bowled out the opposition four times in a row now. Impressive. My worry is still our middle order. Du Plessis and Van Wyk are very inexperienced at this level and it showed vs England.