ICC Cricket World Cup 2011

Tumbling-Dice said:
Of course you were. The word you are looking for is Taoiseach. Taoisigh is the plural.

Look, I really don't give a toss about you and I care even less what some stuck up ex public schoolboy on an internet forum thinks of me, but when you come out with shite like 'if managed properly, this win should act as the defining catalyst for Irish cricket to take the quantum leap into the next stage of their cricketing development' I'm going to have a little laugh at you. OK ?
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Great. lets leave it there then shall we?

And pls don't respond to any of my comments in future. I'd rather have no further interactions with you and shan't ever be replying to any of yours.

Thanks.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Ordinarily we wouldn't but there does seem to be a real buzz about this result. I was playing 5-a-side last night with a bunch of blokes who wouldn't know a cricket ball if it hit them on the head but they were all talking about the game.
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Well, congrats. There looks to be some good players in that side. Hopefully they can make the quarters, that would be a great achievement.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Ordinarily we wouldn't but there does seem to be a real buzz about this result. I was playing 5-a-side last night with a bunch of blokes who wouldn't know a cricket ball if it hit them on the head but they were all talking about the game.
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I bet they were all banging on about how the win should act as the defining catalyst for Irish cricket to take the quantum leap into the next stage of their cricketing development too.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Ordinarily we wouldn't but there does seem to be a real buzz about this result. I was playing 5-a-side last night with a bunch of blokes who wouldn't know a cricket ball if it hit them on the head but they were all talking about the game.

Mind you, this is probably mainly because we're all so sick of constant bad news and a depressingly pointless general election.
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People all around the cricketing world and beyond are talking about it! It was headline news on Asia's CNN news and on the front pages of all the newspapers.

It was just a sensational achievement, I would guess within the entirety of sport. The tournament, the sheer size of the run chase, the fact that Ireland were chasing the largest total ever to be made, the fact that it was against England with all the historical and political issues, Its almost a perfect storm of factors which culminates in one of the most amazing sporting results ever.

I think Ireland can cause more havoc. If Bangladesh and Ireland can both beat the West Indies and Netherlands, both have 3 wins each .... and so one of the big teams will be going home early
 
Tumbling-Dice said:
I bet they were all banging on about how the win should act as the defining catalyst for Irish cricket to take the quantum leap into the next stage of their cricketing development too.
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I think it was a fairly harmless comment from sammsky there, TD.
 
Eyepopper said:
Not sure what you're issue is here but you should wind your neck in a bit.

I'd say the the publicity around beating England could only be a good thing for any sport, particularly one which doesn't get much coverage.
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Hardly surprising that someone who has trouble with the basics of the English language would have trouble discerning between a bit of publicity and a brief feelgood period and 'the defining catalyst for Irish cricket to take the quantum leap into the next stage of their cricketing development'.

Do you really see the kids at school throwing away their hurleys for a cricket bat ? Do you really envision a one-off win over England being the catalyst for ripping up GAA pitches and sowing cricket wickets ?

Cricket is the sport of the auld enemy and always will be to the vast vast majority of the Irish. A one-off win over England changes nothing, it will be forgotten in next to no time.
 
Tumbling-Dice said:
Hardly surprising that someone who has trouble with the basics of the English language would have trouble discerning between a bit of publicity and a brief feelgood period and 'the defining catalyst for Irish cricket to take the quantum leap into the next stage of their cricketing development'.

Do you really see the kids at school throwing away their hurleys for a cricket bat ? Do you really envision a one-off win over England being the catalyst for ripping up GAA pitches and sowing cricket wickets ?

Cricket is the sport of the auld enemy and always will be to the vast vast majority of the Irish. A one-off win over England changes nothing, it will be forgotten in next to no time.
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Not many schools in Ireland play cricket but there are a lot of clubs scattered around the country.

By all accounts the last WC (when Ireland beat Pakistan) drove a whole lot of new members into the junior ranks of those clubs. I'm sure this will do the same again. Nothing grabs a kids interest in sports like the national team having a good World Cup.
 
Also, I think extra credit is due to Ireland not because of who they beat but how they did it. There are been upsets before in cricket and there will be more, and it wasn't totally not on the cards. Netherlands did run England close. But more than that it was the manner in which they did it which was stunning.

From the position they were in I would have been shocked if India, Australia or South Africa had won it, forget Ireland. That's how good a comeback it was by them. They got some 200 runs of the last 25 overs with half their side in the pavilion. So it's not just about the upset. It was a great comeback and achievement by the standards of ANY team. That innings by KOB was one ANY batsman would cherish as one of his best ODI knocks.

So it's important to realize the nature and extent of this achievement and not just that they upset a big team. And I like the comments of the Irish players after. Everything they said after was that for them it wasn't about beating England, it was about winning a world cup game and THAT it was meant a lot to them. Classy stuff and I hope KOB isn't in that sort of mood against us :nervous:
 
Tumbling-Dice said:
Hardly surprising that someone who has trouble with the basics of the English language would have trouble discerning between a bit of publicity and a brief feelgood period and 'the defining catalyst for Irish cricket to take the quantum leap into the next stage of their cricketing development'.

Do you really see the kids at school throwing away their hurleys for a cricket bat ? Do you really envision a one-off win over England being the catalyst for ripping up GAA pitches and sowing cricket wickets ?

Cricket is the sport of the auld enemy and always will be to the vast vast majority of the Irish. A one-off win over England changes nothing, it will be forgotten in next to no time.
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Oh, yu're one of them.

I don't see Sam suggesting suggesting abandoning GAA.

I won't point out the irony of you taking issue with a 'sport of the auld enemy' while you post on a soccer forum shall I?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Not many schools in Ireland play cricket but there are a lot of clubs scattered around the country.

By all accounts the last WC (when Ireland beat Pakistan) drove a whole lot of new members into the junior ranks of those clubs. I'm sure this will do the same again. Nothing grabs a kids interest in sports like the national team having a good World Cup.
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A few must play it. Guys like Stirling, Joyce, Morgan (for England) the O'Briens and Dockrell have real talent.

If Ireland are picking from a relatively small talent pool, it's really quite impressive.
 
Cricket is more popular in the North, its not a huge sport in the South at all

This result is akin to the English beating the Irish at Hurling
 
In the next ICC meeting, the PCB is planning to discuss Shane Warne's accurate prediction of the India-England World Cup match which ended in a tie.

"Doesn't it sound strange that he should predict it would be a tie. At the next meeting of the International Cricket Council board we would certainly like this issue to be discussed," PCB chairman Ijaz Butt told reporters in Lahore.
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he should keep his opinions to himself.
 
Sam.G said:
A few must play it. Guys like Stirling, Joyce, Morgan (for England) the O'Briens and Dockrell have real talent.

If Ireland are picking from a relatively small talent pool, it's really quite impressive.
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They are picking from a very small talent pool and it's amazing we've produced the players we have. I sometimes wonder if it might be down to the hand eye coordination you get from hurling? Most Irish kids spent a lot of their time smacking small balls round the place with a stick. Which must help when it comes to learning cricket.
 
A brief history of cricket
Cricket in Ireland
As with almost every Country in which the game is played the English brought cricket to Ireland. the game was introduced to the Garrison towns of Kilkenny and Ballinasloe in the early 1800's. The spread began in the 1830's and many clubs, still in existence today, were founded in the next 30 years.

The first Irish National team took the field in 1855 long before any Test Match was ever played. The match was -v- The Gentlemen of England in Dublin.

Charles Lawrence, an Englishman, was in Dublin playing, coaching and developing the game in Ireland in the 1850's. He went to Australia with H.H. Stevenson's team in 1861 and stayed to coach the ever growing numbers playing there.

The touring professional teams all came to Ireland in the 1850's and 1860's. The first match -v- M.C.C. was in 1858.

The spread of cricket continued until the early 1880's. Two events then became retarding factors. The first was the outbreak of land wars when Landlord and Tenant were alienated. the second was a ban placed on the playing of "foreign" games by the Gaelic Athletic Association who are the guardians of the native Irish games of Hurling and Gaelic Football. Incredibly this ban was not lifted until 1970. If a player played the extremely popular Irish games he could not play the "foreign" games. If he did he would be banned from the Irish games.

Another set back to cricket came in 1921 when Southern Ireland became an Independent State. Out went the Lord Lieutenant and his court, the army and the Civil Servants and cricket lost many fine players.

Despite these factors the game prospered. Ireland sent teams to Canada and U.S.A. in 1879, 1888, 1892 and 1909. Many high class teams were entertained in Ireland. In 1904 the South Africans were beaten in Cork.

The Annual match with Scotland began in 1909 and has been played ever since. After isolated games in the last century an Annual match -v- M.C.C. began in 1924.

Between the wars the Test playing countries began to visit Ireland starting with West Indies in 1928. On them Ireland inflicted their first defeat in a three day match in mid-June.

An embryo Irish Cricket Union began in 1890 but only limped along until 1923. The Union we know today is the one founded in that year.

The post was era began with a match -v- Scotland in 1946 and so there have been 50 post war seasons. The fixture list expanded. County teams began to visit Ireland, as well as the Test playing countries. Entry to the Gillette Cup (Nat. West from 1981 onwards) was achieved in 1980 and to the Benson & Hedges in 1994. Tours were made to America and Canada in 1973 and twice to Zimbabwe in 1986 and 1991. In 1993 began the Triple Crown Series, involving matches between Ireland, England N.C.A., Scotland and Wales. Entry to I.C.C. in 1993 allowed Ireland to compete in the I.C.C. Associate Members' Trophy in 1994 finishing seventh of 20 countries and qualifying for the semi finals in 1997. 1996 saw the initial European Championship, hosted by Denmark with Ireland being the inaugural winners. This is intended to be a bienial event.

The change in the game's overall structure to a greater preponderance of Limited Overs Circuit has been reflected in the programme of the Irish Cricket Union. Prior to 1981, the year of our entry into the Gillette Cup, Ireland had never played an official Limited Overs match. The few such games that had been played were non-cap matches. Thus the first 305 matches played by Ireland were all time games, including one-day games played. Since the first official Limited Overs Match in 1980, Ireland has played 203 matches in all, of which 123 have been Limited Overs. Even this percentage is continuing to rise. In 1998 there were 22 matches in all played of which 20 were Limited Overs and a further 5 Limited Overs matches scheduled were abandoned without a ball being bowled.
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Cricinfo - Ireland - History
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Not many schools in Ireland play cricket but there are a lot of clubs scattered around the country.

By all accounts the last WC (when Ireland beat Pakistan) drove a whole lot of new members into the junior ranks of those clubs. I'm sure this will do the same again. Nothing grabs a kids interest in sports like the national team having a good World Cup.
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I used to play at the Mardyke CC in Cork City about 8 to 10 years ago and we had two pitches in the whole county then. One at the Mardyke and one up near the airport. GAA is so deeply entrenched down here (and rightfully so, it's a fantastic sport) that I can't see cricket ever being more than a minority sport. About 85-90% of my club were ex-pats, a few of them were in their 40's and 50's. I was in my 30's and well past my best.

I'm actually delighted for Ireland and Irish cricket, the older I get the more I try to view national sport in a non-national way, but after a brief feelgood factor I honestly don't see this win leading to any major changes over here. My son will still be packing his hurley to school and his son and his son's sons. Personally, I don't follow and therefore know very little about Rugby Union and when England won the world cup back in 2006 (?) it didn't inspire me to take any more interest in the sport.
 
Tumbling-Dice said:
I used to play at the Mardyke CC in Cork City about 8 to 10 years ago and we had two pitches in the whole county then. One at the Mardyke and one up near the airport. GAA is so deeply entrenched down here (and rightfully so, it's a fantastic sport) that I can't see cricket ever being more than a minority sport. About 85-90% of my club were ex-pats, a few of them were in their 40's and 50's. I was in my 30's and well past my best.

I'm actually delighted for Ireland and Irish cricket, the older I get the more I try to view national sport in a non-national way, but after a brief feelgood factor I honestly don't see this win leading to any major changes over here. My son will still be packing his hurley to school and his son and his son's sons. Personally, I don't follow and know nothing about Rugby Union and when England won the world cup back in 2006 (?) it didn't inspire me to take any more interest in the sport.
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Aye, I think it will always be a minority sport. There will be an upsurge in interest but it will level off eventually.

Apart from anything else, one of the biggest problems with playing cricket in Ireland is our poxy Irish weather. We might just get enough sunshine for a quick 20/20, maybe a 50 over game on an unusually pleasant summer day but we've not a hope in hell of ever playing a 5 day test match!
 
golden_blunder said:
calm down fella
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Sorry.

golden_blunder said:
Cricket is more popular in the North, its not a huge sport in the South at all

This result is akin to the English beating the Irish at Hurling
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This is what I've been saying and all credit for the victory but it won't lead to a mass exodus from the thousands of GAA pitches scattered around the land.

Pogue Mahone said:
They are picking from a very small talent pool and it's amazing we've produced the players we have. I sometimes wonder if it might be down to the hand eye coordination you get from hurling? Most Irish kids spent a lot of their time smacking small balls round the place with a stick. Which must help when it comes to learning cricket.
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Completely agree with this. In fact it works the other way too. I played cricket from schoolboy to local league level back in the 80's in England and as stated above had a spell in a side over here and when I've had a knock around with a hurley in the past the lads have commented how quickly I took to it.
 
A lot of Irish guys playing Cricket pick it up whilst at University in England (I've played with a few when I played at my local University) and a few have got onto represent counties in England. There's not doubt results of this magnitude will inspire more youngsters to take up the sport and ultimately we'll see more Irish born Cricketers in first class cricket - giving Ireland a bigger and better pool.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Also, I think extra credit is due to Ireland not because of who they beat but how they did it. There are been upsets before in cricket and there will be more, and it wasn't totally not on the cards. Netherlands did run England close. But more than that it was the manner in which they did it which was stunning.

From the position they were in I would have been shocked if India, Australia or South Africa had won it, forget Ireland. That's how good a comeback it was by them. They got some 200 runs of the last 25 overs with half their side in the pavilion. So it's not just about the upset. It was a great comeback and achievement by the standards of ANY team. That innings by KOB was one ANY batsman would cherish as one of his best ODI knocks.

So it's important to realize the nature and extent of this achievement and not just that they upset a big team. And I like the comments of the Irish players after. Everything they said after was that for them it wasn't about beating England, it was about winning a world cup game and THAT it was meant a lot to them. Classy stuff and I hope KOB isn't in that sort of mood against us :nervous:
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Relatively speaking, just how good do you think Kevin O'Brien is? One of the most impressive about his innings was that he played mainly technically correct cricket shots, albeit with incredible power. I also noticed that in his innings vs Bangladesh.

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I thought Strauss innings the previous day was possibly the best I have ever seen in ODI cricket (along with Tendulkars double hundred) but IMO, O'Brien's innings even beats that, both technically as well as the context of the game.It is without doubt one of the greatest innings ever played in the history of ODI cricket

Do you think he could do well in the IPL?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Aye, I think it will always be a minority sport. There will be an upsurge in interest but it will level off eventually.

Apart from anything else, one of the biggest problems with playing cricket in Ireland is our poxy Irish weather. We might just get enough sunshine for a quick 20/20, maybe a 50 over game on an unusually pleasant summer day but we've not a hope in hell of ever playing a 5 day test match!
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It's really no worse than England, down here in Cork I'd go as far as to say it's better. The pitches I used to play on in England were all dotted around the Pennines, East of Manchester, high up and exposed and certainly partial to relief rainfall.
 
sammsky1 said:
Relatively speaking, just how good do you think Kevin O'Brien is? One of the most impressive about his innings was that he played mainly technically correct cricket shots, albeit with incredible power. I also noticed that in his innings vs Bangladesh.

I thought Strauss innings the previous day was possibly the best I have ever seen in ODI cricket (along with Tendulkars double hundred) but IMO, O'Brien's innings even beats that, both technically as well as the context of the game.It is without doubt one of the greatest innings ever played in the history of ODI cricket

Do you think he could do well in the IPL?
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There have been several great knocks and O'Brien's innings will rank as one of its kind. I would be surprised if IPl teams do not pick on this player, a good value for money.

For me, Strauss innings was reminiscent of Ponting's various innings in that WC in SA. Though not as explosive as the latter, both displayed an assuredness that is such a great treat to watch.
 
misbah and umar akmal rebuilding pretty well. Pakistan will have too much for canada, just when saying that akmal is gone.

Great win by Ireland yesterday, really awesome innings by Kevin O'Brien
 
Misbah gone 165/6

Typical Pakistan, beat Sri Lanka and then struggle against Canada :rolleyes:
 
think they will be able to defend it but saying that look at England yesterday
 
BTV_is_neutral said:
If they click they are a fair bit better, but they seem such a fickle side, we think we have a real chance.

However, if

Gayle
Sarwan
Chanderpaul
Pollard

get going, they'll score a ton of runs against our distinctly average bowling lineup.

Gayle has failed with the bat so far this tournament..so I expect him to pulverize us :(

Put it this way....if you heard the West Indies beat South Africa/Australia tomorrow would you be truly shocked? No..but you would be, if Bangladesh did it...so yeah, there is still a significant gap there.
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Thanks BTV. I was asking from an Irish perspective, wondering as to the chances of beating the Windies and therefore probably qualifying. Based on the collapse against Bangladesh you'd have to say none, based on yesterday, well, lots.
 
BTV_is_neutral said:
If they click they are a fair bit better, but they seem such a fickle side, we think we have a real chance.

However, if

Gayle
Sarwan
Chanderpaul
Pollard

get going, they'll score a ton of runs against our distinctly average bowling lineup.
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And the Bravo brothers -they are very good players. That Darren looks excellent.
 
Sam.G said:
And the Bravo brothers -they are very good players. That Darren looks excellent.
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Dwayne is injured mate, out of the World Cup.

btw Pakistan out for 185 all out
 
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