A volte-face Vulgar?
Ibrahimovic....Toss
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A volte-face Vulgar?
He was dog shit last night, Benzema gave us loads more problems last season.
Exactly. Using that logic, Torres is shit and overrated as well. We are the world best defence, and that showed last night.
He was excellent last night compared to the 2 times Ive seen him in person, both for Sweden where he looked like Caleb Folan.
No doubting his ability but it just goes to show that having all the skills in the world is of no use if your a bit of cnut really.
No doubting his ability but it just goes to show that having all the skills in the world is of no use if your a bit of cnut really.
he does a mean impersonation of Anni-Frid's cnut - useless!!
I agree with Scholesy. That's fecked up.
Give me Wayne Rooney anyday.
Ibrahimovic was crap last night. He performed precisely how I expected.
But with the 2nd leg still to come, I'm saying no more. This thread could be embarrassing otherwise.
But with the 2nd leg still to come, I'm saying no more. This thread could be embarrassing otherwise.
I didn't realise he was 27 
For some reason had him down as a spritely 24 year old.
Not impressive for 27.
For some reason had him down as a spritely 24 year old.
Not impressive for 27.
The thing with ibrahimovic, he's very skillfull, everytime we was one-on-one with O'shea, he got the better of him. But thats his downfall, he relies too much on his skill. When he loses the ball, he gives up, doesn't try and win it back. Fair enought that isn't his job per say, but it wouldn't kill him would it just to help out a bit more. Both inter strikers were guilty of that yesterday. Then you look at rooney and tevez, who always chase back, even berbatov yesterday was chasing back quite a few times I noticed.
From what I saw of him yesterday, he lacked heart, desire, he cant expect his skill to bail him out all the time, where was the movement from him? As someone who's already mentioned in this thread, give me a rooney any day of the week!!!
From what I saw of him yesterday, he lacked heart, desire, he cant expect his skill to bail him out all the time, where was the movement from him? As someone who's already mentioned in this thread, give me a rooney any day of the week!!!
Sounds a lot like Cristiano Ronaldo from some of the comments.
You cannot judge a player on a single game (particularly when he did ok). But if Ibra is gonna be ranked as truly top-end then he starts to performing in the biggest games against the best opposition. Like Totti, he'll never win over English fans who never see him perform heroics in Serie A if he comes up short in these types of games.
He's underperformed on the biggest stage for years, not just yesterday.
And Q80, it sounds nothing like Ronaldo who was top scorer in the champions league, scored against all of the English top 4 and scored in the champions league final.
And Q80, it sounds nothing like Ronaldo who was top scorer in the champions league, scored against all of the English top 4 and scored in the champions league final.
Zlatan isn't Ronaldo but this doesn't make him average.
He won several times the award for the best player in Seria A ahead of the likes of Kaka. He must be quite a player and I hope that he isn't going to prove it at OT.
He won several times the award for the best player in Seria A ahead of the likes of Kaka. He must be quite a player and I hope that he isn't going to prove it at OT.
Still never seen Ibrahimovich play well. Either I'm watching all the wrong matches, or he is one of the most over-rated players around.
Probably a bit of both.
Probably a bit of both.
I'd say that pretty much sums up my thoughts on him.
Can't claim to see the guy every week but I've probably watched him about 15 times.
Last night was probably the best I've seen him play and thats not really saying much. My impression of him is that he's got a decent touch but lacks any real pace or movement
If Rafael had covered him this thread would have been very different, thanks we have got Oshea, i hope some people start to realise that he has been pretty solid anywhere he plays on defence.
Inter is playing the same way the swedish national team is: negative football with constant long-ball hoofing at Zlatan. No wonder he fails to peform in the big games.
Nothing much has changed in my evaluation of him. Immensely talented, naturally gifted but very inconsistent on the biggest of stages. Last night he produced another ineffective display but I wont rule him our yet. There is still the second leg to come and we will see how much of a threat he can be.
Stankovic made him look poorer than he is, the guy just isn't good enough to really control and create in these games. You can tell who were the players Mourinho wants shipped out and who he wants to stay.
I think one of the reasons people say Ibrahimovic only does it against lesser sides is because Inters midfield only dominate against lesser sides. I thought Berbatov's reputation took a bigger dive last night.
I think one of the reasons people say Ibrahimovic only does it against lesser sides is because Inters midfield only dominate against lesser sides. I thought Berbatov's reputation took a bigger dive last night.
I've just watched the highlights again, Ibrahimovic touched the ball about four times in the whole 20 minute highlight program.
Berbatov made a nice run from the halfway line when he turned Cordoba then took it past Chivu before slamming it into the side netting. Played a lovely first time pass to Rooney too.
Berbatov made a nice run from the halfway line when he turned Cordoba then took it past Chivu before slamming it into the side netting. Played a lovely first time pass to Rooney too.
Strange player Zlatan is.
We kept him quiet last night, although he was not crap as some point out.
We kept him quiet last night, although he was not crap as some point out.
He really was though, the most he could manage was to put two balls into the box - neither of which found an Inter player. He literally offered them feck all up front, and don't even get me started on Adriano 
He really was though, the most he could manage was to put two balls into the box - neither of which found an Inter player. He literally offered them feck all up front, and don't even get me started on Adriano
he won two headers one he directed to Cambiasso who chested it to VDS from a yard.
He played two great dummies allowing Adriano free strikes, he managed to feck both.
He wasn't great but he had his moments. he linked up very well at times.
Also i thought Adrianos general hold up play was very good but he missed the best chance inter had, where he somehow swung a leg and it bounced off both his legs 3 times before going over the bar. GOod effort
Good from Frankly, I thought you were up Ibra's arse up until now... gave Ronaldo his due credit too
It does seem a bit knee jerk but at least you called the fact that were really gassing him up prior to yesterday.
It does seem a bit knee jerk but at least you called the fact that were really gassing him up prior to yesterday.
I still think he is a superb talent but he really doesn't turn up in the big matches. I'll always have a soft spot for him because at times he is a joy to watch but he isn't doing it where it counts and will go down as another "could have been". He already has his own excuses for everything so he feels fine being the player he is without more. It dissapoints me. I want these players to prove the english public and media wrong and they just never will, it's pointless trying to tell people of the merits of Ibrahimovic or Totti because if they don't have any time for Italian Football then they'll never have time for these players.
Why is it always the English media's fault with you?
Do you not think the media and football fans in Italy or Spain ever underrate players in England?
From what I have gathered reading forums of foreign teams it doesn't seem like they have a lot of time for Engish football either.
I agree with you there. I rate both of them highly as well (Totti and Zlatan) but I don't blame who slate them or call them overrated because they do more often than not bottle it when it really matters.
You think that Berbatov is better than ibrahimovic?
OK.
I suspect that Fergie does as well because he could have bought him for less than we paid for Berbatov.
When was that on the cards?
In 2006 Zlatan moved to Inter for 24.8 million euros, Berbatov moved to Spurs for 16 million euros.
yeah. exactly.
err...European golden boot, top scorer in the CL, 42-goal Ronaldo. couldn't tell them apart. really couldn't.
Berba is not better than him. Ibra is not in a good team, Inter don't suit him.
I don't really see the Italian or spanish media or pundits talking about any English players the way they do Totti or Ibrahimovic, they don't talk about Lampard as being over-rated or Rooney or anyone english, they give them their due credit from what i can gather.
Martin O'Neill was the best closely followed by Harry Redknapp. O'Neill said something like "He is the most over-rated player i've ever seen, i just cannot understand how anyone can rate him as a player" etc, where as Redknapp after watching him score a stunning winner for sweden whilst half fit remarked "what a strike but i'd never take him at Portsmouth, he's a real lazy so and so". Not with a hint of sarcasm either, he genuinely wouldnt have wanted him at Portsmouth.... Crouch, Defoe yes please! Ibrahimovic? no way.
The difference is simple, if you haven't played in the Prem you'll find it alot harder to find praise, it's like you almost don't exist unless you reach legend status or do brilliant in a world cup or in Europe.
Look at Arshavin, no-one had heard of him before the Euros yet in 3 games he's "different class" "a top top player", which he may well be but this is without taking into account anything he had done in Russia and only based on Zenit winning the Uefa cup and Russia having a few good games at the Euros.
The only way Ibrahimovic could have been clearly overrated is if he'd won the Ballon d'Or ahead of Ronaldo.
Why do you care so much what the media think?
Pundits are generally just not particularly smart, not sure why you actually bother listening to them.