How would you feel if Rooney smashed it at Everton?

Pogue Mahone said:
Am I the only one who finds posts like this an absolute pain in the hoop? Why the hell would anyone be pleased if Everton get a great deal on a free transfer for a player we let go? :wenger:
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That's because some of us, including me, want our former players to do well as long as it's not against us.
Personally, I've hoped that the players , especially from our academy or those who pretty much grew here , become big names as it highlights the success of our coaching system. I think among our former players, there have only been 2 cases where I've hoped that the player flops terribly- Di Maria and Tevez.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
That’s my point. Rooney’s performances are being panned by some on here despite the fact that as @SilentWitness says, he has won them a lot of points this season with his goals. It makes no sense to me.
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Maybe his performances haven't been great but I'm sure Everton won't be complaining when his goals have won them more than half their points.
 
Dont care how hes doing honestly. Good for him that hes scoring with Everton but I firmly believe we're better off with Lukaku leading the line.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I've watched loads of Everton games this season as I'm interested to see how some of their young English players get on. Rooney 100% wasn't the reason they were playing badly when I watched them. I'm not sure how you deduced that Rooney was the reason all their players were substandard before Big Sam came. It really is baffling.
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I didn't say he is the reason for their bad form, but one of the main reasons. And he is, because he is their highest paid player, biggest signing this year, one of the senior figures in their dressing room, and one of the slowest players around and that was one of their biggest problem this year. He is also very uncreative, which was also their big problem this year, considering he should be involved a lot in their play.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
From what I’ve seen he’s been no better at Everton so that’s neither here nor there. I just find it weird when fans get so besotted with individual players that the love affair continues when they’ve playing at other clubs. A) because who gives a rat’s arse about players at other clubs and B) the better their career after leaving us the more doubt it casts on our decision to let them go.
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I have no problem with people being happy about Rooney being successful elsewhere, he's a United and always will be, anyone who mentions anything about us letting him go as a mistake is an idiot as it was a few years past due, but that doesn't mean he can't do well elsewhere. I get the whole attitude about not caring about someone the second they leave after, but I'm definitely more of the type where I'll always have a soft spot for Rooney as I saw his entire growth in the United team, just like I will with Ronaldo, especially since we achieved so much with those 2. Hope he goes on and breaks that Premier league record too, though I doubt it.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
That’s my point. Rooney’s performances are being panned by some on here despite the fact that as @SilentWitness says, he has won them a lot of points this season with his goals. It makes no sense to me.
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Agree with you. He's doing far better than I expected and he's producing in the attacking third, whilst also being deployed deep most of the time.

Everton are also in complete disarray this season so fair play to him showing a bit of a character in some games.

That being said I don't think he'd be any better for us(if he stayed) this season compared what we usually saw in the last couple of years from him.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Am I the only one who finds posts like this an absolute pain in the hoop? Why the hell would anyone be pleased if Everton get a great deal on a free transfer for a player we let go? :wenger:
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Rooney had to go, there's no way we should have kept him.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
That’s my point. Rooney’s performances are being panned by some on here despite the fact that as @SilentWitness says, he has won them a lot of points this season with his goals. It makes no sense to me.
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That would presumably be because he hasn’t been playing well? I’ve only watched a handful of Everton games tbf but he’s been poor in every one of them. This includes games where he scored.
 
Amar__ said:
I didn't say he is the reason for their bad form, but one of the main reasons. And he is, because he is their highest paid player, biggest signing this year, one of the senior figures in their dressing room, and one of the slowest players around and that was one of their biggest problem this year. He is also very uncreative, which was also their big problem this year, considering he should be involved a lot in their play.
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Still doesn’t make sense though does it. Only two teams have conceded more than Everton this season in the league and they conceded 15 in 6 games in the Europa League. Big Sam comes in and tightens up their defence, they have only conceded 1 since he has been there, and restored Rooney to the starting eleven. It’s almost like he has the complete opposite opinion to you.

@Pogue Mahone

I think Lukaku is kind of crap at football for us a lot of the time, that said, his job is to score the goals that wins us points. If Rooney is scoring numerous crucial goals for Everton then he proves valuable to them. How can you dispute this?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Still doesn’t make sense though does it. Only two teams have conceded more than Everton this season in the league and they conceded 15 in 6 games in the Europa League. Big Sam comes in and tightens up their defence, they have only conceded 1 since he has been there, and restored Rooney to the starting eleven. It’s almost like he has the complete opposite opinion to you.
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Big Sam, the new Pep Guardiola. Rooney was terrible up until last few games, and that's oretty much a fact. We'll see what will happen until end of the season.
 
Amar__ said:
Big Sam, the new Pep Guardiola. Rooney was terrible up until last few games, and that's oretty much a fact. We'll see what will happen until end of the season.
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Even if he goes totally out of form and scores nothing, on a free, him scoring 10-12 already and winning them these many points, it'll be a great deal for Everton irrespective of what happens now.
 
wr8_utd said:
Even if he goes totally out of form and scores nothing, on a free, him scoring 10-12 already and winning them these many points, it'll be a great deal for Everton irrespective of what happens now.
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Yeah, it's a great record for a team fighting relegation no doubt. They should give him 300k contract now.
 
No one can question Rooney's eye for goal. He has always had that instinct ever since he was a young lad. IMO a good free transfer for Everton.
 
Watched a lot of Everton games this season(All but 1 of their Europa league games for example).

He's had some poor perfomances. But he still has a knack for goals. Even through some of the poor perfomances he was far from their biggest problem.

Goals against City, Pool and Arsenal too. Done well for himself.
 
breakout67 said:
No one can question Rooney's eye for goal. He has always had that instinct ever since he was a young lad. IMO a good free transfer for Everton.
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They are so lucky we dispossessed of him when we did, despite what Amar would lead you to believe, they'd be confirmed to go down by now if he wasn't there. He's running on pure football intelligence at this point and it's still good enough to be by far there most productive player. Even when he's played in midfield he's winning points for them.
 
I believe Big Sam works some miracle on him by telling him to not go around looking for the ball and stay in position to make something happen. He doesn't have the leg anymore but his footballing brain is still very sharp.
 
K2K said:
Watched a lot of Everton games this season(All but 1 of their Europa league games for example).

He's had some poor perfomances. But he still has a knack for goals. Even through some of the poor perfomances he was far from their biggest problem.

Goals against City, Pool and Arsenal too. Done well for himself.
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The mystery is why our players seem to be bad at dead ball, set piece, penalty for us and not at other clubs. I meant Rooney had some terrible penalty miss over recent year with us and now he score crucial penalty vs L'pool. Juanfield game was an example
 
ti vu said:
The mystery is why our players seem to be bad at dead ball, set piece, penalty for us and not at other clubs. I meant Rooney had some terrible penalty miss over recent year with us and now he score crucial penalty vs L'pool. Juanfield game was an example
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He scored some crucial penalties for us too.

West Ham in that 4-2, Blackburn to seal the league.

I just think he is very inconsistent when it comes to that.
 
FujiVice said:
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Seeks to make one point with Stats.... makes an entirely different one.

Rooneys problem has never been conversion. Even as he's aged. It's the fact he's not fit enough to get into the position to shoot often enough.

He got old. He got slow. If he played for United, Spurs, Chelsea, he wouldn't be in the same positions as Lukaku, Kane and Morata are, as frequently. So he wouldn't play.

That stat can mean so many things. If the key take away is "Everton don't create much so if they can make the few chances they do create, fall to Rooney, he has a high chance of scoring"... Sure.

Strikers have to shoot lots to score. It's a universal truth. Everyone else's stats involve sitters, half chances, the works. I'm sure there are full backs that can have a 50% shots to goal ratio. Doesn't mean they should be playing up top for a Champions League side.

With that said... I'm glad he's gone and equally glad that he's getting a (borderline) Indian Summer to his career at a mid table side. Sweetened further by the fact that the same side was a top six challenger last year with a forward that now plays for us.
 
ti vu said:
The mystery is why our players seem to be bad at dead ball, set piece, penalty for us and not at other clubs. I meant Rooney had some terrible penalty miss over recent year with us and now he score crucial penalty vs L'pool. Juanfield game was an example
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His penalty misses have almost never been costly for us though. He has a knack of scoring them when they really matter.
 
ti vu said:
The mystery is why our players seem to be bad at dead ball, set piece, penalty for us and not at other clubs. I meant Rooney had some terrible penalty miss over recent year with us and now he score crucial penalty vs L'pool. Juanfield game was an example
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Pressure is a key factor. our players don't become crap once they join us, unlike the Caf would have us believe. Young should be our set piece guy, he's been excellent recently, but with certain players having a higher profile, they get the nod ahead of him.
 
wr8_utd said:
His penalty misses have almost never been costly for us though. He has a knack of scoring them when they really matter.
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Yeah it's funny, he's missed penalties when we are ahead ( at Juanfield and against Chelsea at OT when we were 3-1 up), but always seemed to score in a pressure situation ( the 2 penalties against Chelsea in the 3-3 come to mind). Usually it's the other way around with players missing in pressure situations, but with him he always seemed more reliable in a pressure situation as compared to when we are comfortably ahead.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Seeks to make one point with Stats.... makes an entirely different one.

Rooneys problem has never been conversion. Even as he's aged. It's the fact he's not fit enough to get into the position to shoot often enough.

He got old. He got slow. If he played for United, Spurs, Chelsea, he wouldn't be in the same positions as Lukaku, Kane and Morata are, as frequently. So he wouldn't play.

That stat can mean so many things. If the key take away is "Everton don't create much so if they can make the few chances they do create, fall to Rooney, he has a high chance of scoring"... Sure.

Strikers have to shoot lots to score. It's a universal truth. Everyone else's stats involve sitters, half chances, the works. I'm sure there are full backs that can have a 50% shots to goal ratio. Doesn't mean they should be playing up top for a Champions League side.

With that said... I'm glad he's gone and equally glad that he's getting a (borderline) Indian Summer to his career at a mid table side. Sweetened further by the fact that the same side was a top six challenger last year with a forward that now plays for us.
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Great post, spot on.
 
Honestly, he has already exceeded my expectations for him this season. I didn't see him scoring over 5 considering how useless he was the past 2 years. I'm really glad to see him do well, and I wish he will keep them banging in.
 
He's on par for what I thought really. I think this is working out as I thought it would and therefore remains, as I thought it was at the timne, a good deal for all parties.

Rooney has scored a good number of goals but it's worth remembering a lot have been penalties. His touch remains poor, he still misplaces too many passes, miscontrols too many balls, can't beat a man. He's doing a job for a non-top 4 side, which is what I would have thought.
 
He's been very much like Lukaku was last season. His numbers are great. His performances often not nearly as good.

Been anywhere from terrible to quite good but if he keeps scoring we can't really complain.
 
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I was all for Everton getting relegated when it was on but now I find myself rooting for them every game, hope Rooney genuinely gives Southgate a squad selection problem by next summer.
 
King7Eric said:
Yeah it's funny, he's missed penalties when we are ahead ( at Juanfield and against Chelsea at OT when we were 3-1 up), but always seemed to score in a pressure situation ( the 2 penalties against Chelsea in the 3-3 come to mind). Usually it's the other way around with players missing in pressure situations, but with him he always seemed more reliable in a pressure situation as compared to when we are comfortably ahead.
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The reason for this is simple - Wayne Rooney has massive, massive cojones and has demonstrated this throughout his career.

You make a great observation by the way, other pressure penalties he's scored include:

2011 vs Blackburn to knock Liverpool off their perch
Euro 2012 shootout vs Italy
Euro 2016 knockouts vs Iceland

Granted England lost the latter two, but they were pressure penalties at the time. The first penalty goes without saying, the chance for an Evertonian to score one of the most significant goals in knocking Liverpool from the top of the tree
 
I think some people have forgotten that Rooney was a special talent. He was a complete player by the time he was 21 years old. He was better than Ronaldo when they were both young. However, Ronaldo had the hunger to improve and be the best he can be. Rooney just loved playing football, but didnt care much about being a prime athlete. The goalscoring will never leave Rooney.

Unfortunately for Rooney his fitness is no longer acceptable for a top club.
 
Needham said:
I was all for Everton getting relegated when it was on but now I find myself rooting for them every game, hope Rooney genuinely gives Southgate a squad selection problem by next summer.
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The absolute last thing this England side needs is Rooney going to Russia.
 
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